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Re:The gambling goes both ways
This is a relatively new vaccine. Based on the high incidence of side effects of the vaccine and its relative newness, there is a gamble.
Care to substantiate that? Even the anti-vaccine lobby only points to 82 instances of adverse reactions, none of which were fatal, and most of which were related to any medical procedure involving needles, such as taking blood (things like "itching at the injection site").
And BTW, that 11,000 HPV immunizations figure I cited earlier is actually well out of date. The number's actually over 25,000 in the United States alone.
Come on, you're a
Cervical cancer, on the other hand, kills 4,000 women every year, and has the lowest median age at mortality.
Would you mind explaining where, exactly, this "gamble" may be found? Or is this just speculation based on paranoia about the pharmaceutical industry?
Hell, I'm fucking paranoid about them myself, especially with regards to their persistent manipulation of the American economy and the massive loads of cash they devote to influencing doctors. It's a shame that an industry is so stupid and venal as to abuse the public trust in the manner of this one. Still, I'm certainly not going to give my understandable paranoia more decision-making authority than reason. When the best efforts of the most well-funded and highly-motivated opposition (like the founders of NVIC, who blame DPT immunizations for their kids' ADD) doesn't even come close to substantiating their own claims, and is filled with selective omissions of both data and context, the rational decision is obvious.
The medical industry is more likely to be reformed is people learn that the non-scientific appeals of a collection of osteopaths and blame-seeking parents are nowhere to start, and that a fixation with "secret knowledge" is counterproductive and distracting. -
Re:The gambling goes both ways
This is a relatively new vaccine. Based on the high incidence of side effects of the vaccine and its relative newness, there is a gamble.
Care to substantiate that? Even the anti-vaccine lobby only points to 82 instances of adverse reactions, none of which were fatal, and most of which were related to any medical procedure involving needles, such as taking blood (things like "itching at the injection site").
And BTW, that 11,000 HPV immunizations figure I cited earlier is actually well out of date. The number's actually over 25,000 in the United States alone.
Come on, you're a
Cervical cancer, on the other hand, kills 4,000 women every year, and has the lowest median age at mortality.
Would you mind explaining where, exactly, this "gamble" may be found? Or is this just speculation based on paranoia about the pharmaceutical industry?
Hell, I'm fucking paranoid about them myself, especially with regards to their persistent manipulation of the American economy and the massive loads of cash they devote to influencing doctors. It's a shame that an industry is so stupid and venal as to abuse the public trust in the manner of this one. Still, I'm certainly not going to give my understandable paranoia more decision-making authority than reason. When the best efforts of the most well-funded and highly-motivated opposition (like the founders of NVIC, who blame DPT immunizations for their kids' ADD) doesn't even come close to substantiating their own claims, and is filled with selective omissions of both data and context, the rational decision is obvious.
The medical industry is more likely to be reformed is people learn that the non-scientific appeals of a collection of osteopaths and blame-seeking parents are nowhere to start, and that a fixation with "secret knowledge" is counterproductive and distracting. -
Re:Aready happened in TexasThe article you cite describes 82 VAERS reports. (This number represents about 0.3% of over 25,000 people vaccinated against HPV to date.) Two-thirds were filed on the day of vaccination, and all but three of the rest were filed within a week.
A quarter (22) of these reports describe episodes of vasovagal syncope (known more commonly as "fainting"), all occuring in women and with 4 involving mild seizures (measured in seconds and with no post-seizure neurological indicators). The report obsesses over these descriptions, yet fails to note that these "syncopal episodes" are associated with any medical procedure that involves needles: taking blood, for example. These symptoms (fainting with rare mild seizures) even occur, in a person with a severe needle phobia, on the sight of another person giving blood. Every one of the cases describes a typical fainting or seizure episode, and the report fails to disclose the patient's history with regard to fainting, seizure, or phobia. It is only "remarkable" (article's word) or "disturbing" (yours) if presented in the absence of medical or statistical context, as in this report.
The report also elaborates on two cases of Guillan-Barre Syndrome, building up a good fright before finally pointing out that both patients had also received a meningitis vaccine that is already associated with GBS. GBS is rare, non-lethal, and temporary (which the article's authors find fit to omit), affecting 1-2 out of every 100,000, while meningitis is contagious and fatal. I'm not quite sure why the authors of this article felt this diversion was necessary.
Tellingly, the report does not provide a breakdown in numbers of the other cases, preferring to list a range of symptoms already associated with metal allergies. It also lists itching and burning at the injection site (again, something associated with any needle procedures in many people) among the remaining VAERS reports. I wonder why they didn't feel it was necessary to provide exact numbers here, unlike the earlier sections?
But why would an institution with such a reputable-sounding name and prestigious-looking website as the National Vaccine Information Center cobble together such a transparent scare article, filled with lurid-sounding medical terminology devoid of any context? Let's look at their "About Us" page:
The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is a national, non-profit educational organization founded in 1982. Located in Vienna, Virginia, NVIC is the oldest and largest parent-led organization advocating reformation of the mass vaccination system and is responsible for launching the vaccine safety movement in America in the early 1980's.
So, let me get this straight: you criticize my sourcing and accuse me of scare-mongering, and your critique is a misleading article from the professional anti-vaccine lobby? An article that confirms, by the way, my earlier assertion that nobody has died from HPV vaccination, while ignoring the real threat of the second-most common cancer among women (with the lowest median age of mortality)?
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Re:Aready happened in Texas
I posted this re Merck's "Gardasil" HPV cocktail elsewhere in the thread from NVIC.
http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/HPV/HPVrpt.htm
Re your CDC recommendation, depending on who you call on, you will get what answer.
Call the Whitehouse and ask who is behind 9-11.
This however is disturbing and knowing about Merck's vicious tendency towards
ligitation few would dare to lie about this:
"Although these reports did not detail what happened to the individuals experiencing these syncopal episodes, other reports did. The 14-year-old DC girl mentioned earlier experienced a syncopal episode combined with amblyopia (poor vision in one eye), abnormal speech, vomiting, and headache. Also experiencing vision problems, a 17-year-old New York girl reported feeling dizzy and her vision went "black for a few seconds" and she turned pale and lips turned purple and she also had fever and chills. Similar to the DC girl, on July 18th immediately after being vaccinated, a 22-year-old Kentucky woman experienced slurred speech accompanied by pallor and shock. On August 29th, two hours after being vaccinated, a 15-year-old New York girl who had a history of asthma and was on four asthma medications experienced difficulty swallowing prompting a visit to the emergency room. On August 17th, 15 minutes after being vaccinated, a 14-year-old Pennsylvania girl passed out in the car on the way home." -
Roll up your sleeves then
You're hmming and hawing here but still...
A 4,000 projected deaths at an age median of 50 do not merit putting the
health of millions of young girls in any way at risk, especially
in childhood. With reports of highly adverse reaction to the Merck "Gardasil"
HPV cocktail out there, I don't think you would personally roll up your sleeve
for this one yourself:
http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/HPV/HPVrpt.htm
According to NVIC:
Reported Adverse Events
Syncopal Episodes and Seizures. One-quarter of all reports filed after GARDASIL vaccination were for neurologic adverse events including loss of consciousness, syncope, syncopal events and seizures. An additional five reports included symptoms of dizziness and feeling faint.
Although these reports did not detail what happened to the individuals experiencing these syncopal episodes, other reports did. The 14-year-old DC girl mentioned earlier experienced a syncopal episode combined with amblyopia (poor vision in one eye), abnormal speech, vomiting, and headache. Also experiencing vision problems, a 17-year-old New York girl reported feeling dizzy and her vision went "black for a few seconds" and she turned pale and lips turned purple and she also had fever and chills. Similar to the DC girl, on July 18th immediately after being vaccinated, a 22-year-old Kentucky woman experienced slurred speech accompanied by pallor and shock. On August 29th, two hours after being vaccinated, a 15-year-old New York girl who had a history of asthma and was on four asthma medications experienced difficulty swallowing prompting a visit to the emergency room. On August 17th, 15 minutes after being vaccinated, a 14-year-old Pennsylvania girl passed out in the car on the way home.
and these are the immediate results minutes after injection. Who knows what the long-term
consequences will be? -
Re:Ancient Greek Technology Costs Jobs.
I don't share your sense of gloom. People today are living longer and better than 50 years ago.
Technology is neither moral nor immoral. It is amoral. It is neither good nor evil, but can be used for both and has the power to amplify both. I see both more good and more evil than existed 50 years ago -- primarily due to this amplification effect of technology. Therefore, technology can be neither be construed as a saviour from evil, nor a terrible departure from good. I expect to see more of the extremes in the future as technology improves and allows for their existence.
People below the poverty line in the USA today drive their own car, [emphasis mine]
Apparently you are using a very loose interpreteation of the word own. Even many people that are considered upper-middle-class are stuck in the perrenial debt-cycle -- never owning their own vehicle. You might more accurately say that people below the poverty line are permitted to drive the Bank®'s car in exchange for thier soul as a permanent slave to debt.they have color TV's,
This is probably more of a detriment than benefit. Try turning off the tube and reading a book.
and they are vaccinated. None of them are going to be crippled by polio or die from the measles.
Vaccination is more than 50 years old. At least back then it was much more voluntary, and didn't contain mercury.
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Re:injection of ebola?
You bet, AC. Let me explain my 1/2 joke to you.
Go to the National Vaccine Information Center or just take this quote and save yourself a long read:
This relatively new vaccine protects against Haemophilus Influenza Type B, which can trigger meningitis. Some scientists believe adverse reactions to that inoculation include contraction of the disease.
The HiB vaccine was developed using the same methodologies described in the Ebola article. It is remarkably similar to the thought-process that brought us the Blaster-D/Nachi virus which was to use the "logic" of the first bug to build an anti-bug. Yes, this is how most vaccines are developed. Yes, vaccines can save lives. YES, this vaccine has the potential to be very dangerous and yield the same results as the Blaster-D virus for the poor saps who volunteered for Phase I. -
HIV-Smallpox Interplay =~ Asthma-Measles InterplayThe fascinating quote is below.
Based on the natural history or spread of HIV in Africa, Weinstein and Alibek proposed that declining immunological responses to smallpox -- due to the elimination of the disease and the discontinuation of immunizations -- may have been associated with the emergence of HIV.
This observation bears an uncanny resemblance to the observation that eliminating various childhood diseases causes a person to later become susceptible to other illnesses. Please visit the web site, "MEDIA REPORTS ASK THE QUESTION: IS THE CURE WORSE THAN THE DISEASE? ". In "Plagued by Cures", "The Economist" observes that the incidence of asthma rose sharply after the elimination of measles, for example.I would wager good money that Dr. Raymond Weinstein has stumbled onto the cure for AIDS. Please read "Smallpox Vaccine Could Prevent AIDS". All previous attempts tried to attack HIV directly but failed because the virus (1) mutates too rapidly for vaccinations to succeed or (2) cleverly hides in remote cells that anti-viral drugs cannot reach. On the other hand, this proposal by Weinstein to use smallpox vaccination to close the door (i. e. the CCR5 receptor) to HIV infection instead of killing the virus directly just might stop HIV infection.
I am optimistic.
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California isn't alone...
The Telegraph had an article back in February of last year (no longer available) that set the rate of autism in the UK at 1 in 175 children, or 58 out of every 10,000 (compared to the 10 in 10,000 rate reported in California.)
The evidence is becoming very persuasive that immunizations do bear a large portion of the blame. See the National Vaccine Information Center for some good articles on links to this and other complications.
For our part, after reading dozens of books and talking to as many people, we made the decision not to vaccinate our now six year old. (Commence the flamebait about how we're playing with fire, yadda yadda yadda...)
Dr. Mercola, a naturopathic doctor out of Chicago, also has many good articles about the possible causes of austism. WARNING:
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Re:The MMR Vacine May Have Something to Do With ItVaccine research is fraught with conflicts of interest. The AMA and its JAMA, the Lancet -- these are not the Gospel. Follow the money: who funded the research?
Dr. Andrew Wakefield is not some fool; rather, he is an eminently qualified research scientist who put his career on the line challenging the pharma/medical church because he found compelling evidence of a link between MMR and autism.
unfortunate and common misconception
Measles, mumps, and rubella are mild childhood diseases. It's conceiveable that the MMR-autism link will ultimately turn out to be false; however, until the richly funded, unbiased research shows unequivocally that this link doesn't exist, parents would be behaving reasonably if they chose to forgo vaccination against these mild diseases rather than putting their children in harm's way.Vaccination, like any other medical procedure, is a risk/benefit proposition. One recovers from mumps. One does not recover from autism
There's a lot of stuff and nonsense all over the place in connection with vaccination, on both sides of the issue. For those who want to go to some fairly reasonable alternative sources:
New Yorkers for Vaccination Information and Choice
National Vaccine Information Center
Be discerning! What are the ties between the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the pharmaceutical industry? These guys may be seriously conflicted. An AMA or CDC seal of approval doesn't mean jack. Remember the fifties and sixties when physicians routinely advised mothers NOT to breastfeed their infants? We can only wonder what ties this had to corporations like Nestlé.