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Re:First Sale
It appears you think the "first sale doctrine" is the thing that allows you to re-sell goods. It is not. Why are you citing something when you have absolutely no clue what it is?
You can read the text of the first sale doctrine here.
You can read a more layman explanation of it here.
For example here is an excerpt:The "first sale" doctrine says that a person who buys a legally produced copyrighted work may "sell or otherwise dispose" of the work as he sees fit, subject to some important conditions and exceptions. Section 109(a). In other words, if you legally buy a book or CD, "first sale" gives you the right to loan that book or CD to your friend. Libraries heavily depend on the first sale doctrine to lend books and other items to patrons.
Now if you have educated yourself on this can you see how ridiculous your assertion that this applies to your house or your car is? It isn't that hard to quickly research this instead of making assumptions that the first sale doctrine covers everything to do with the ability to re-sell things just because "first sale" is in the name.
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Re:Reality is closing in around the RIAA...
Since when is VLC Player illegal?
In the US, since October 28, 1998.
Besides the (incredibly large) array of patent issues which make it difficult to use in a corporate environment, it would be very easy to make the case that VLC is a prohibited circumvention device. It breaks DRM, has built-in transcoding, and will very easily write files or stream content.
You could also make the case that the DRM isn't an effective access control measure, but the courts have set that bar really low. It would be unlikely that such a case would prevail.
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Re:Flamebait? Stupid mods
Your use of a physical copy of a copyrighted work is covered under the first sale doctrine. You can use your own copy however you wish. The RCA DVD player does for you what an ordinary VCR or other DVD players already allows you to do - fast forward through the bits you don't like. You can do the same thing with a book by flipping through the naughty, boring or any other parts you dislike. Fast fowarding, skipping parts creates no derivative works. You are simply using your own copy how you want and that's still protected by fair use and the first sale doctrine.
The right not to have your copyrighted work altered without your permission is called moral rights and is primarily an aspect of European copyrights. US copyright law offers limited moral rights. The two aspects of copyright law that you and the parent post claim to make the DVD player illegal, prohibition against derivative works and moral rights, are both part of traditional copyright law. The DMCA is a horrible, over-reaching law but it doesn't reach where you're pointing or where the parent post thinks the DMCA should reach.
If you were to circumvent built in copy protections or moral rights protection (eg some sort of software that make you play the whole movie) in order to make a copy without the parts you don't want, that would fall under the DMCA. So if you made a 'back-up' copy by removing macrovision and the encryption, that would be illegal under the DMCA. And that is reaching too far IMO.
I'm suprised at the support that European style moral rights have received here since it only adds more restrictions to the fair use of copyrighted works. (The French, as usual, have particularly annoying and far reaching moral rights laws. A artist could destroy a paint that you've bought if he doesn't like how you've displayed it.) The only reason artists and producers are upset about these derivative works is that they're not getting a cut of the profits. I've talked to some producers who've heard of about that video store that rents movies edited for content. While they're concerned about how their works are portrayed, they're more concerned about not getting money out of the deal. They want to be the ones that produce any censored versions so as to reap the rewards of maintaining their artistic integrity. -
Re:How much did Slashdot influence this discussionHow about
- The Digital Future Coalition
- The American Association of Law Libraries
- The District of Colombia Library Association
- The University of Maryland
- The Consortium of College and University Media Centers
- PBS
- The American Library Association
- The Association of Research Libraries
- The Special Libraries Association
- The Medical Library Association
- Georgetown University
- The California Digital Library
- The American Association of Universities
- The American Council on Education
- The National Association of State Universities and Land-Grant Colleges
- The Electronic Frontier Foundation
- The Digital Future Coalition