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GNU and GCC are just as much open source implementations of proprietary technology from convicted monopolists as Mono is. QFT

Theres an exceptional rebuttal against the rampant naysayers posted here by one of the members responsible for the Debian/Mono integration: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/124/

It's a victory for great free software applications that just so happen to use Mono. Mono often gets treated as a second class citizen because of its Microsoft roots, with zealots not wanting Microsoft's "unholy embrace" on Linux, whatever that's supposed to mean. Thankfully, there are sane people to defend it and because of this developers don't have to worry about their software not being included in a default install because they just so happened to pick Mono.

Also, how was my original post Flamebait?

It is not a line by line clone. A small count: Tomboy has 13 addons that comes with the app, Gnote has 6. For one, Gnote does not have any synchronization addons.

Uh? How does the lack of synchronization addons mean that it's not a clone? Synchronization code is being worked upon, according to Gnote's site. From http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/93/

Gnote is, for those living under a large pile of particularly non-porous rocks, a fork of Tomboy, doing a line-by-line translation of the source into C++.

Can you quote your source for claiming that it's not a line by line clone?

(/. mangled my last paragraph)
http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/?p=124 irrational?
http://np237.livejournal.com/24065.html zealots?
http://robertmh.wordpress.com/?p=12 hm, this whole argument was blown out of proportion by the GNOTES DEVELOPER. Sounds more like a whiny developer pissed that his package wasn't included rather than a real issue.
"These are *APPLICATIONS* and forcing me to install them is, to my mind, antithetical to the open source ideal." No one is forcing you to install anything. Every reasonably competant debian user knows NOT TO INSTALL THE METAPACKAGES! Anyone else should run Ubuntu.
"Evolution serves no useful purpose in today's world" huh? Right, so the only thing that is going to ever get GNU/Linux accepted as a replacement for MS Windows in corporate settings is useless?
"It's just like Wine and DOSEmu: a gateway to viruses that originated on Microsoft platforms." ...what? It's not a fucking interpreter or an emulator, it's a compiler for Christ's sake! Read your fucking code before you compile it if you're that scared of the "M$ BOOGY MONSTER."
Altogether, this whole argument just goes to show that users, even GNU/Linux users can be grossly uneducated on topics, hearing Microsoft, and jumping on the attack. We should mysteriously drop F-Spot and GnomeDo and Evolution and see how these morons react.

I have to totally agree with you that this debate has been gone over so many times that it is a troll posting. Please read the following.... Started by another troll on the mono list anonymously under the name 666lawyer: http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-list/2009-June/042680.html From some time ago... http://www.jprl.com/Blog/archive/development/mono/2009/Jan-19.html Here we go again...Why Mono doesn't Suck... http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/124/

And ubuntu even threatening their users to install a lower quality Mono-dependent music player to replace Rhythmbox just because the Mono zealots are very, very loud about how they want to push this MS technology on everybody using free software.

Almost as loud as the people opposed to "MS technology," developed before Microsoft had anything to do with Novell or any other GNU/Linux.

I like bashing Microsoft as much as the next guy, but only when it's necessary. If anyone on /. actually kept up with the Debian blogosphere and Planet Debian, they'd see that there are two sides to every issue, and those sides aren't always political.

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/?p=124 http://np237.livejournal.com/24065.html http://robertmh.wordpress.com/?p=12 "These are *APPLICATIONS* and forcing me to install them is, to my mind, antithetical to the open source ideal." "Evolution serves no useful purpose in today's world" Altogether, this whole argument just goes to show that users, even GNU/Linux users can be grossly uneducated on topics, hearing Microsoft, and jumping on the attack. We should mysteriously drop F-Spot and GnomeDo and Evolution and see how these morons react.

Here ---> http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/124/

Not really being much of a Linux person myself yet, I was curious about the negative feelings I've read about for Mono, ranging from general dislike to outright hate, as I've had several people tell me that Mono is actually really cool and easy to use if you're used to doing .Net programing in general. Malevolentjelly posted this link a few days back in the Silverlight 3 post and I found it very informative:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/124/

Moonlight supports Silverlight 1. Support for Silverlight 2 is in "preview".

Thus far the Moonlight project is "compatible" enough to tell you your version of Silverlight is out of date, and please upgrade.

Silverlight 1 and 2 are much more different than 2 and 3. The Mono development team has explain that implementing the full CLR for Moonlight 2 is one of the largest stages of the development process. For instance, Moonlight 2 Preview already has many Silverlight 3 features implemented. So, once Moonlight 2 is out, it will not be long before Moonlight 3.

Furthermore, I consider this the best pro-developer free software rant explaining the pros of mono in general:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/124/

And as soon as Moonlight catches up with Silverlight 2, Microsoft will have Silverlight 4 out. Let's face it, this is _exactly_ what everybody was predicting back when Moonlight started: endlessly running after Microsoft but never catching up, a perpetual existence as a "nice, but not useful for anything current" piece of software.

Moonlight supports Silverlight 1. Support for Silverlight 2 is in "preview".

Thus far the Moonlight project is "compatible" enough to tell you your version of Silverlight is out of date, and please upgrade.

Silverlight 1 and 2 are much more different than 2 and 3. The Mono development team has explain that implementing the full CLR for Moonlight 2 is one of the largest stages of the development process. For instance, Moonlight 2 Preview already has many Silverlight 3 features implemented. So, once Moonlight 2 is out, it will not be long before Moonlight 3.

Furthermore, I consider this the best pro-developer free software rant explaining the pros of mono in general:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/124/

Say twitter, this is totally offtopic, but would you mind posting a reply to your comment on this website? I'd love to read it.

By the way, what on earth possesed you to hang out with someone like this Roy Scheztowitz fellow? Isn't it a little lame to have him tell you where yo go post all that "M$ windoze" nonesense? Just curious, really.