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Gosh, you mean that Eminem, the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, the Doors, and Queen are all outside copyright protection? I'm sure the surviving members of those groups, plus Michael Jackson, would be very surprised to hear that.

See this page from Ziemann's site.

He has gotten on a personal crusade, but one of his main complaints is that he followed eBay's guidelines and still got hammered.

Look at this page. From the screen shot from October 14, it appears to me that he's referencing official eBay guidelines.

"eBay Guideline: If you are the copyright owner of the material you are offering on CD-R or DVD-R, make sure you say so in your listing!

Examples
A local band decides to release its latest album on CD-R. The band may list the album on eBay so long as it is clear from the listing that the band is the copyright owner."

He made it explicitly clear in his listing that he was indeed the copyright owner. Now, I don't know where he found the quotes above, but they appear to be from eBay official guidelines. If that is indeed the case, then there shouldn't have been a problem, and eBay could be said to be costing him money by preventing a completely legitimate sale for a reason which is incorrect.

The other point is that eBay originally claimed they had been contacted by the copyright owner who asked them to end the sale. He knows full well he didn't contact them with such a request, and so he asked eBay to tell him who did do this so he could protect his copyright. eBay ignored this request, thus further compounding their possible culpability.

Seriously, if I'm going to pay for music, I want a real CD ... and maybe a nice jewel case and cover. IF musicians want to sell their product on Ebay in order to make some money, would it really hurt them to invest a little money into their product? It doesn't cost that much to have real CDs produced...

You've been rated "Funny", but I think you're serious, so I'll respond as such.

It does cost that much to have real CDs? Try again. A minimal run of "real CDs" can easily run you $1,000. If you're a small time artist who is working a traditional job to pay the rent while you work on your music, $1,000 is alot of money, especially if most of your disposable income is already invested in instruments and recording equipment. On the other hand, with the help of a friend with a computer, a CD-R writing drive, and color printer, you can burn runs of almost any size for a few dollar per disc (with nice jewel case and cover). What a great way for an unknown musician to get his music out!

I've purchased a half-dozen CD-Rs from musicians I've discovered online, and I've been pleased with every one I. I don't begrudge them that CD-R is the only format they can economically produce.

wouldn't it help these small bands to produce a product that people will be able to remember (not just the music, but the CD cover as well??)

Wow, and to think I've been making my music selections entirely based on the quality of the music.

That said, it's not relavent in this discussion. The artist specifically did print nice CD covers. The jewel cases he bought are identical to the jewel cases most commercial CDs come in. He's trying to market himself in all sorts of ways (personal website, free mp3 samples on mp3.com, and selling CDs on eBay) He's trying to market himself without going broke. He's using various services as they were designed!

Seriously, if I'm going to pay for music, I want a real CD ... and maybe a nice jewel case and cover. IF musicians want to sell their product on Ebay in order to make some money, would it really hurt them to invest a little money into their product? It doesn't cost that much to have real CDs produced...

You've been rated "Funny", but I think you're serious, so I'll respond as such.

It does cost that much to have real CDs? Try again. A minimal run of "real CDs" can easily run you $1,000. If you're a small time artist who is working a traditional job to pay the rent while you work on your music, $1,000 is alot of money, especially if most of your disposable income is already invested in instruments and recording equipment. On the other hand, with the help of a friend with a computer, a CD-R writing drive, and color printer, you can burn runs of almost any size for a few dollar per disc (with nice jewel case and cover). What a great way for an unknown musician to get his music out!

I've purchased a half-dozen CD-Rs from musicians I've discovered online, and I've been pleased with every one I. I don't begrudge them that CD-R is the only format they can economically produce.

wouldn't it help these small bands to produce a product that people will be able to remember (not just the music, but the CD cover as well??)

Wow, and to think I've been making my music selections entirely based on the quality of the music.

That said, it's not relavent in this discussion. The artist specifically did print nice CD covers. The jewel cases he bought are identical to the jewel cases most commercial CDs come in. He's trying to market himself in all sorts of ways (personal website, free mp3 samples on mp3.com, and selling CDs on eBay) He's trying to market himself without going broke. He's using various services as they were designed!

Seriously, if I'm going to pay for music, I want a real CD ... and maybe a nice jewel case and cover. IF musicians want to sell their product on Ebay in order to make some money, would it really hurt them to invest a little money into their product? It doesn't cost that much to have real CDs produced...

You've been rated "Funny", but I think you're serious, so I'll respond as such.

It does cost that much to have real CDs? Try again. A minimal run of "real CDs" can easily run you $1,000. If you're a small time artist who is working a traditional job to pay the rent while you work on your music, $1,000 is alot of money, especially if most of your disposable income is already invested in instruments and recording equipment. On the other hand, with the help of a friend with a computer, a CD-R writing drive, and color printer, you can burn runs of almost any size for a few dollar per disc (with nice jewel case and cover). What a great way for an unknown musician to get his music out!

I've purchased a half-dozen CD-Rs from musicians I've discovered online, and I've been pleased with every one I. I don't begrudge them that CD-R is the only format they can economically produce.

wouldn't it help these small bands to produce a product that people will be able to remember (not just the music, but the CD cover as well??)

Wow, and to think I've been making my music selections entirely based on the quality of the music.

That said, it's not relavent in this discussion. The artist specifically did print nice CD covers. The jewel cases he bought are identical to the jewel cases most commercial CDs come in. He's trying to market himself in all sorts of ways (personal website, free mp3 samples on mp3.com, and selling CDs on eBay) He's trying to market himself without going broke. He's using various services as they were designed!