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Sure the returns are different, but top link on yahoo.cn for ["Tiananmen Square" massacre] is enough information to start someone thinking.

So I'm a little doubtful that these changes are dramatically affecting the mindset of the Chinese population. Like I've heard in interviews before "If you want to read it, you can find it".

You know, I just searched for "Tank Man" on http://www.baidu.com/ (the premier search engine in China, unaffected by the firewall), and the first link that came up was http://beyondpleasure.blogchina.com/4886647.html

It indeed has the picture and the story (in brief), and the page was indeed fetched from within China.

People all know about this, and this information will never go away. But you will not see it discussed in official media or anything like that.

So ghey.

Reading the whole thread to know that there are much deep mis-understanding to China from US people that cannot be washed away by any means.

There are free speech and press in China with exception to a few "forbidden" topics. For example, "taiwan independence", "fa-xx-gong" and "tibet".

You can talk and write whatever about forbidden topics in China, unless you do it publicly and in high-profile. You cannot host a web page about "taiwan indepdence", and you cannot demonstrate a banner of "fa-xxx-gong" in Tian'anmen square.

Otherwise it is complete free to write, to shout, whatever you want.

At work I met a lot of people living in China. Many people even hold more extreme views than official views, sometimes I consider as nationalism. For example, they support the government to take back Taiwan by force. In general there is not much deriviation of view between people, society, "Party" and government. Possibly because many citizens are also members of the Party since their primary school age.

China people in general opt for efficient government that can bring growth in economy and wealth to people. Able to vote for party chairman by public vote is a minor issue (national and party leader is, claim officially, democratically voted, by a group of people)

Speaking of a grey area is about corruption. Even public channel and press are criticizing so the topic is generally allowed to express and discussed publicly as free as possible, if not too extreme.

Currently hot concern amoung Chinese is the problem of fake goods and fake food.

There are monitoring and sensorship of internet. This is done by licensing of ISP and ICP.

The largest blog service in china is http://blog.blogchina.com/ . According to traffic statistics is second to the largest portal and search engines in China like "sina" "sohu" and "baidu".

According to statistics in http://blog.blogchina.com/ (if you can read Chinese, at page bottom): there are 471923 blog hosted, 1515814 blog articles and 725726 reply entries. How's it compare to slashdot? Not much if you consider China net population.

The following comments may not sound good: How much do you know China? From what channel? Personally as a Hong Kong citizen I think US media are highly political influenced. Seeing yourself to believe.

--zzzhong, Hong Kong

Reading the whole thread to know that there are much deep mis-understanding to China from US people that cannot be washed away by any means.

There are free speech and press in China with exception to a few "forbidden" topics. For example, "taiwan independence", "fa-xx-gong" and "tibet".

You can talk and write whatever about forbidden topics in China, unless you do it publicly and in high-profile. You cannot host a web page about "taiwan indepdence", and you cannot demonstrate a banner of "fa-xxx-gong" in Tian'anmen square.

Otherwise it is complete free to write, to shout, whatever you want.

At work I met a lot of people living in China. Many people even hold more extreme views than official views, sometimes I consider as nationalism. For example, they support the government to take back Taiwan by force. In general there is not much deriviation of view between people, society, "Party" and government. Possibly because many citizens are also members of the Party since their primary school age.

China people in general opt for efficient government that can bring growth in economy and wealth to people. Able to vote for party chairman by public vote is a minor issue (national and party leader is, claim officially, democratically voted, by a group of people)

Speaking of a grey area is about corruption. Even public channel and press are criticizing so the topic is generally allowed to express and discussed publicly as free as possible, if not too extreme.

Currently hot concern amoung Chinese is the problem of fake goods and fake food.

There are monitoring and sensorship of internet. This is done by licensing of ISP and ICP.

The largest blog service in china is http://blog.blogchina.com/ . According to traffic statistics is second to the largest portal and search engines in China like "sina" "sohu" and "baidu".

According to statistics in http://blog.blogchina.com/ (if you can read Chinese, at page bottom): there are 471923 blog hosted, 1515814 blog articles and 725726 reply entries. How's it compare to slashdot? Not much if you consider China net population.

The following comments may not sound good: How much do you know China? From what channel? Personally as a Hong Kong citizen I think US media are highly political influenced. Seeing yourself to believe.

--zzzhong, Hong Kong

Personally, I like this picture of Stallman (from this site, although that hardly seems the original source).

He has a more quiet and wise look in that picture than he does in most other pictures.

Personally, I like this picture of Stallman (from this site, although that hardly seems the original source).

He has a more quiet and wise look in that picture than he does in most other pictures.