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Re:Freedom from ridiculous laws
Reading the diverse online police blotters, one must come to the the undeniable conclusion that pot makes you stupid.
Now, getting stupid in your own home is just fine. It when you get stupid outside, that's when you wind up fucking yourself badly.
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Re:seriously?
...all of which they knew after retreiving the first one.Let's look at the timeline again - I-93N was closed for 60 minutes when they found the first one. They later found a second one at the corner of Stuart Street and Charles St, but no street closures are mentioned. Presumably they thought it wasn't an issue. Ten minutes later, a pipe bomb with a threatening note is found two blocks away at the New England Medical Center. Ten minutes after that, Mooninites are found under two bridges, which are closed. We now know that events were a bunch of unfortunate coincidences, but I can't see how the response was unreasonable because the authorities didn't immediately jump to that conclusion. BTW, it appears those bridges (along with Storrow Drive) were closed for about 30 minutes. That's about the same traffic disruption that would happen for a traffic accident.
Oh, did you miss the link someone else posted of a cop on a ladder taking one down? No 'special precautions', no "booms" (pun intended), no lifts or lane closures. Just a cop on a ladder.So, when and where was that photo taken? Was is the first one under I-93? Or was is one of the later ones when the police knew what is was? Not to mention that even using "just" a ladder requires adequate clearance for safety.
I've worked plenty of jobs where I'm 'supposed' to follow certain safety rules. However, if I actually bothered to follow all of them, my productivity would slow to a crawl and I'd be fired. A trivial example from my early years in retail would be ladder safetyLugging computer peripherals off a shelf is not in the same ballpark as working a few feet away from a roadway carrying 3,800 cars per hour or an electrified railroad ROW. I've done all three and had 0 near-death experiences working in retail compared with a half-dozen or so working on/near active transportation infrastructure. When you work around roadways and transit lines, you follow the rules or workers (and innocent bystanders) get maimed or killed.
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Re:seriously?That's one hour and 21 minutes. Not exactly quick...
From the BPD timeline: "At 9:00 a.m. The Boston Police Bomb squad is requested by the MBTA to Sullivan Square and examines the item. As a precaution I-93 is closed [...]"
From Wikipedia: "Northbound I-93 reopened to traffic at about 10:05 a.m."
Like I said, it was I-93N was closed for about 60 minutes. That is pretty quick for a highway closure.
So how did the perps safely place them? But after police determined that it was not a real bomb, couldn't they just have waited until traffic slowed down for the next night? So there would have been exactly one road closure... for the first device. After that, they should have known what these kind of devices really were.To determine whether the first device was a bomb, they needed to get up close to it, necessitating the I-93N closure. The Longfellow and BU bridges were closed after the NMC pipe bomb was found. Just because the first device wasn't a bomb, doesn't mean that the subquent devices weren't bombs. Then again, if Turner had put some identifying info on the lights, the authorities could have gotten some clarification.
So, this was 4 hours later than the aqua teen scare. Are Boston Police gifted with premonition, or how else could a 1pm incident cause their poor reaction to a 9am incident? Oh, and if we read on:WTF? How is responding to an unknown object on public infrastructure using caution a poor reaction?
This is a fast reaction. Unlike the 81 minutes earlier in the morning...Again, from the timeline: "At 12:54 p.m. the Boston Police Bomb squad receives a call for a suspicious device at the intersection of Stuart and Charles Street. "
"Six minutes later at 1:02 p.m. Boston Police received a call from New England Medical Center Security that they had uncovered a pipe bomb in their building in a desk drawer."
New England Medical Center is about two blocks away from the Stuart/Charles Street intersection - the bomb squad was already in the area.
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Re:seriously?Therefore, a stick with a hook on the end could be used to pull the devices down, after, perhaps closing the traffic lane under it for 30 seconds
That assumes that you know what it is, and you know how it's attached. Even if you proceed with the assumption that it's not a bomb, there are other issues that a worker needs to be aware of - for example, is it powered using AC power ( a shock hazzard)? How is it attached to the structure? Is there any identifying information on it that authorizes its placement? Are there any "surprises" like bottles of urine or bags of feces behind it? (you may think that last one was contrived, but I've seen it first hand, and it's something very real that public workers deal with on highways and transit properties).
These are issues that are best addressed by getting a close look. On the other hand, if Mr. Berdovsky had told the authorities on site what he knew instead of staying quiet and video taping it, maybe things could have gone more efficiently.
No need to "close the street" for the day.I don't know where you're getting this '"close the street" for the day' stuff - consult the timeline and the Wikipedia summary. The northbound lanes of I-93 were closed for about an hour. If you've ever been involved in traffic closures (I have lots of times as part of my work), that's pretty damn quick.
Even if a 'cherry picker' truck was needed to 'safely' get the worker up the 10 feet or so, that also only requires the closing on a single lane, if that.I hope you're not basing "closing a single lane" on the footprint of the man-lift - it's not just the footprint, you also need clearance for the radius of the boom (for a bucket truck or cherry picker) or you need adequate clearance for scissor lifts in case they fall over. Of course don't forget adequate clearances for any power or signal lines that might be in the area as part of the Orange line electrification system.
I know it's easy to sit behind your keyboard and second guess these things but I've actually had to work in situations like that. Even in the most benign of circumstances, there are lots of dangers.
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Re:seriously?Because a bomb squad, who should have handled the dismantling of these devices, should have known in 5 minutes it wasn't a fucking bomb.
If you read the timeline of that day you'll see that the police did determine pretty quickly that is wasn't a bomb. The main issue during the day was that the streets had to be be closed so investigators could safely access the devices - even if the authorities didn't think it was a bomb, the street would still have to be closed to workers could safely remove them. There was also the issue that a real pipe bomb turned up at New England Medical Center during that ordeal.
As I wrote before, the biggest mistake those guys made was hanging the devices off of public property - even before 9/11, doing something like that is just guaranteed to get the bomb squad out there (and contrary to popular opinion, the device that was first called in to the police had only been there for less than 24 hours). Some of the other devices on storefronts though had been there longer.
IMHO the police reaction in this one instance was reasonable - up to the arrest & prosecution part. There were no mass evacuations, no arrests of Middle-eastern people for being Middle-Eastern. They closed the roads, investigated the devices, and reopened the roads. The arrests and press releases after that though were clearly CYA.
On the other hand, the arrest of Star Simpson was a fucking travesty, and my alma mater's response to the incident ("reckless"? WTF? Is wearing a blinking tie to the airport also reckless?) has ended my participation in their alumni fundraising activities.
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Re:To Prevent Electrocution
Interesting, do you have a URL or other reference? Quick google on the keywords in your post didn't turn up a clear result.
Closest I found:
Boston Police Incidents for January 9, 2006
Charlestown Dog Electrocuted
Last night at 18:28 hours a 28-year-old Charlestown resident was walking her 6-year-old dog in the area of Warren and Chelsea Streets when it stepped on a metal grate, fell and died. Animal control responded and took custody of the dog. Boston Public Works were notified, responded and repaired the wires that caused an electric current through the grate.
http://www.bpdnews.com/media/ Most of the way down the page.
What was the voltage and power involved?
Mythbusters did a pretty good job of testing human (dummy) urinating on the "third rail" and seemed to show that electrocution was unlikely. Maybe they could do another segment on dogs and underground high-power lines.