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Except C was created in 71 by extending B. And C++ was created in 83 (http://www.intap.net/~drw/cpp/cpp01_03.htm). And it can be compiled anywhere you have a C/C++ compiler. Java, from 1991 (http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/book/chap1/java_hist. html), is what you are talking about when you say "debug everywhere" because it's not compiled, but interpreted, and thus any given interpreter might not work on another platform like the programmer had it working in his particular environment.

• Christianity was clearly the driving force behind the worldwide elimination of slavery. (A first in world history, by the way...)
  • In those days, almost *everything* was argued from a religious standpoint. If you wanted to convince someone, you made sure to make a lot of references to God. The pro-slavery camp also used Christianity to defend their position. Christianity was used as a debating rhetoric tool by both sides of the debate, so you are wearing blinders if you only see the anti-slavery camp's use of it.

• Further, understand that the radical ideas in the constitution you claim to support were a direct outgrowth of Protestantism - our government is more closely modeled on Presbyterian church than on anything else that existed in 1776.
  • The founders of the country were Christian, but they certainly didn't use Christianity as a basis for the government. Quite the opposite in fact. Check this site:
    Some quotes by "founding fathers" of this country.
    Some more
    And some more
    Yes, they were Christians of one stripe or another, but it was their stepping away from orthodoxy and into a weaker more fuzzy religion that was the springboard for their ideals. They were men of "The Enlightenment", which was the beginning of the end for dogmatic religions. That they didn't drop their religion outright all at once doesn't change the fact that they were slowly losing faith. The irony is that a seperation of church and state actually helps the church. (Keep church and state tied together as was done in Europe, and each successive generation grows up more and more cynical toward religion.)

And finally, as to the more on-topic point: It doesn't matter whether or not you favor censoring porn when there doesn't even exist software that can do it correctly. What we have is software that attempts to filter just porn, but instead filters out non-porn as well (for example, denying access to yahoo altogether because some searches occasionally come up with sex sites). It also lets some porn through. In other words, the means to implement the censorship is flakey and broken, and as such the whole point is moot. Or at least it would be if the voting public had any clue how the internet works.

Not wanting to slate you or anything but as a scientist you should know that generally it is better to test and then draw conlusions than to set out to prove something with a test. Alot of this "monday morning quarter-backing" would be avoided if that was the approach used when setting up and observing tests.

Point very well taken. What I mean to say is ...I'm open to admitting that my original premise was flawed. I also would like to point out that my original post was very poorly written.

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See the linux user in his native habitat, he's tensed, poised, awake, and banging at his keyboard in anger that someone may have cracked his sacred linux, even if it was a cheap shot. He's letting his real skin show, and it's as ugly as the linux command prompt or the blue screen of death. He wants to set up a test that proves that linux is better.

Like an NT user, of course I have my preference and biases. I also believe that Linux is not only a better security platform, but philisophically as well. I'd use it even if it was shown to be less secure. But it doesn't matter what I believe to be true, does it? It must be tested.

I think that the layout of the challenege was poorly stated, but this is merely Monday-morning quaterbacking at it's worst.

Again, if it was NT that was broght to it's knees, nobody would be uttering ANYTHING about "second chances", and that bugs me a bit. But do I have some sort of inbred, insatiable desire to make sure Linux wins at all costs? Hell no. I am a scientists to the core, and the truth can always be questioned. I hope Linux comes out on top ...I sincerely believe that it will ...but it's my responsibility to be open to an alternate outcome.

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As a community, we need to ante up, acknowledge that this is something that needs to be worked on, and move on. Perhaps set up a challenge that requires a flaw in the OS to be exploited.

I just have to think that if the same thing happened to the NT box, there would be no grumbles. A victory would be declared and any talk otherwise would be met with much flameage.

Fact is, we all know that Linux can squish NT flat. Let's set up a test that proves that.

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It looks like the surveyor has been lost. I don't know how to feel about this one. I'd like to see everything go private, but this still sucks. Those guys at NASA really work their asses off.

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This page looks like it will get updated within seconds of reestablishing communication.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msp98/orbiter/

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I didn't see anything in there that refuted the idea that incessant bullying was the last straw.

It might not be the case, but it can't be inferred from the Salon article.

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