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Correct... but I wonder if they may be useful for in-orbit maneuvering...

It wasn't the drive unit producing the thrust. It was the cable along the torsion arm carrying current. The EmDrive had nothing to do with it.

Yes, it is possible to use current loops with satellites to interact with Earth's magnetic field, but ordinary electrical engineering is what you need to call upon. Not a Quantum Vacuum Plasma Thruster (QVPT) as this paper chooses to call it (with zero evidence that the effect, if real, is "quantum" or "quantum vacuum" or "plasma" related).

I can't seem to find the article I read that in, but I did find a good explanation as to why the theory does not work.
https://www.libertariannews.or...
This goes over the theory and many of its problems in a fairly easy to understand manner. Well, easy if you have a decent understanding of electricity and magnetic fields anyway.

I thought that this take was pretty appropriate when all we had to go on was the conference abstract. Now, however, the full paper (still not peer reviewed) is out, and it is much better. I still think it is wrong, but I do not think it is bad science, and it will have to be refuted experimentally.

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* the "null thruster" is something of a red herring from the abstract. Reading the paper, they have a true "null load," which shows no thrust, while the "null thruster" was a mod of a Cannae drive, and so more of a test of drive theory than the experimental setup, and, in any event, they tested several types of drives.

* they did pretty much all of the things you would like to see (such as reversing the direction and making sure the thrust reverses).

* they seem to have done a thoughtful and careful job, including testing in vacuum.

So, I still think they are likely wrong, but this ups the ante. In my opinion, you can't just say "this is obviously wrong." I bet there will be a bunch of attempts to replicate it in labs all over the place.

I find the theories here (and I have now read several in some depth) to be bad, either wrong, or handwavy, or both*. I would discount them entirely. In the unlikely event that this effect is real (and I mean, some non-standard physics effect), then the theory is likely to be something different than any of the proposals, The experiment's the thing, and the game now has to be disproving the Eagleworks results. Only once a bunch of people have failed to do that (or one person has done it) is there much else to say.

* On pushing on virtual particles or quantum spacetime or whatever. These are 1 GHz photons, more or less. Such pushing would cause a _vacuum_ dispersion. Vacuum dispersion limits are set by timing of high energy photons from Gamma ray bursts across cosmic distances. These tests use ~ 100 MeV photons over ~10^10 light years, and so are many orders of magnitude tighter than the NASA Eagleworks results. This in my opinion rules out any photon - vacuum interaction as the cause of these anomalous thrusts.

Doh - in addition - the full article is available - http://www.libertariannews.org...

The reason given for not testing under vacuum is the unavailability of vacuum qualified amplifiers.
This is a very poor excuse - literally an hour is enough to make a vacuum sealed can into which you can put an amplifier.
You add a water-bottle and a fan, and you're good for some time.
Flushing the chamber with helium would have been a good and very fast step.
Turning the vacuum pump on, to pump out 1/3 of the air similarly.

In October 2009 the Democrats who were then running congress by a huge majority changed the locks on the capitol hill meeting rooms so they could keep Republicans out when they wanted to. (they did this to stop Republicans exposing the involvement of Democrats in the 2008 home loan meltdown activity at Countrywide, but they then used those locked rooms to exclude Republicans from the secret healthcare reform negotiations which Obama had promised would air in their entirety live on C-SPAN)

Obama did, indeed, promise Obamacare negotiations would air live on C-SPAN before he broke his promise, and journalists from across the political spectrum objected and tried to get the negotiations opened

And here's an admittedly biased link to a TEA Party site, used here to point out their frustration with the fact that the "establishment" wing (the lifetime politicians who like big government) of the GOP keeps doing SYMBOLIC votes against Obamacare but then keeps actually fully funding it. The Washington elites of both parties have done stuff like that to their base voters on many issues for decades, but the internet is exposing it.

Oh, and if you are in denial about the corporate lobbyists who climbed into bed with Obama on Obamacare, here is a link to a story explaining WHY big insurance got on board (they originally fought it, but then they got admitted to the closed-door meetings WE the public were shut out of). Also see this link on big Pharma and big Insurance climbing on board and throwing money at Democrat politicians. While many organizations and lobbying groups were involved in the "secret" negotiations, the names of most of the individuals involved are NOT known to Republicans who repeatedly demanded the names and were denied.

Let me further point out that when the Obama administration thinks a Republican governor is breaking a law, they run to the federal courts - something they have NOT done (so I cannot link to it here) to any governor over his/her refusal to create a state exchange - a tacit admission that the governors are obeying the law.

Since I have validated everything in the post you said was so full of falsehoods, whereas YOU provided NO evidence ANY of the claims was false, that previous post was the correct one and yours was the loser

But was The Jungle anywhere close to true? It does not seem so.


Instead, some of these same historians dwell on the Neill-Reynolds Report of the same year because it at least tentatively supported Sinclair. It turns out that neither Neill nor Reynolds had any experience in the meatpacking business and spent a grand total of two and one-half weeks in the spring of 1906 investigating and preparing what turned out to be a carelessly-written report with preconceived conclusions. Gabriel Kolko, a socialist but nonetheless an historian with a respect for facts, dismisses Sinclair as a propagandist and assails Neill and Reynolds as “two inexperienced Washington bureaucrats who freely admitted they knew nothing”8 of the meatpacking process. Their own subsequent testimony revealed that they had gone to Chicago with the intention of finding fault with industry practices so as to get a new inspection law passed.9
9. U.S. Congress, House, Committee on Agriculture, Hearings on the So-called “Beveridge Amendment” to the Agriculture Appropriation Bill, 59th Congress, 1st Session, 1906, p. 102
Read more: http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/ideas-and-consequences-of-meat-and-myth#ixzz2gK8kSBB9

“The Jungle” is a pure work of fiction. It has absolutely no basis in reality. A 1906 report by the Bureau of Animal Industry refuted Sinclair’s severest allegations, characterizing them as “intentionally misleading and false,” “willful and deliberate misrepresentations of fact,” and “utter absurdity.” Quoting Mr. Crumpacker on Sinclair’s allegations of diseased meats, “the chief inspector said there was not a single animal that went into the slaughterhouses that was not inspected before it went on foot; and if one was diseased, had a lumpy jaw, or appeared to be out of condition, he was separated, and then a skilled veterinarian made a thorough examination of that animal after the rest had been passed; and then they had inspection on the inside.”
Read more at http://www.libertariannews.org/2010/09/17/meat-packers-rape-you-and-you-love-it/

How are we defining tyranny today? Will any rights infringement do, or do there have to be actual storm troopers in riot gear marching down the street? Are you under the misconception that democracy of all things obviates tyranny?

What do you mean "far"? We already have the highest prison population in the world, measured both per capita and in absolute magnitude. 1/4 of the world's prisoners are Americans, and 1/2 of those are African Americans(who are only 1/7 of our population). We wage war on our own citizens under the guise of the war on drugs. 86% of federal prisoners are there for victimless crimes. And if you choose to peaceably assemble with a message not approved by our corporate overlords, you're met with a boot and a nightstick. How could this not be a police state?

"links"
Aside from more than a few having been taken down from youtube by youtube, here's what i have for now. You'll very likely resent all sources involved, and while I dig up references to instances of police abusing photographers specifically, I will supply stuff I've gone over in the past, especially considering the latter part of your last reply: ~
http://eccentricintelligenceagency.info/archives/7389 ~
http://eccentricintelligenceagency.info/archives/5243 ~
http://info.themicroeffect.com/2011/06/23/rochester-police-arrest-woman-videotaping-a-traffic-stop-from-her-own-property/ ~
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/28/terrorist-breaks-serfs-nose-and-kicks-his-chest-in-for-video-taping-him/ ~
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/19/pastor-tells-a-pig-to-shove-it-after-pig-accuses-pastor-of-potentially-having-a-wmd/

Since the mainstream media misses so many of these events and fails terribly at interrelating them to examine the larger issue, you'll have to deal with the sources who are willing to. If you really are interested, I will find more recent and more specific examples. The above should be quite a headful.
Suffice it to say though, that I am very wary of giving excessive advantages to these "authorities".

"links"
Aside from more than a few having been taken down from youtube by youtube, here's what i have for now. You'll very likely resent all sources involved, and while I dig up references to instances of police abusing photographers specifically, I will supply stuff I've gone over in the past, especially considering the latter part of your last reply: ~
http://eccentricintelligenceagency.info/archives/7389 ~
http://eccentricintelligenceagency.info/archives/5243 ~
http://info.themicroeffect.com/2011/06/23/rochester-police-arrest-woman-videotaping-a-traffic-stop-from-her-own-property/ ~
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/28/terrorist-breaks-serfs-nose-and-kicks-his-chest-in-for-video-taping-him/ ~
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/19/pastor-tells-a-pig-to-shove-it-after-pig-accuses-pastor-of-potentially-having-a-wmd/

Since the mainstream media misses so many of these events and fails terribly at interrelating them to examine the larger issue, you'll have to deal with the sources who are willing to. If you really are interested, I will find more recent and more specific examples. The above should be quite a headful.
Suffice it to say though, that I am very wary of giving excessive advantages to these "authorities".

Mass incarceration isn't a libertarian issue.

America, Land of the Imprisoned

Victimless Crime Constitutes 86% of The Federal Prison Population