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Re:How about using a newsgroup reader instead?
Try nntp//rss. http://www.methodize.org/nntprss/
As for an online and pre-existing service like Gmane, I don't know. This allows you to run your own local nntp server for rss feeds though. -
This issue was previously discussed elsewhere
As RSS [becomes] more known to the mainstream users and press, the bandwidth issue reported by many sites . . . related to feeds is becoming a reality. Stats from sites like Boing Boing are showing a real concern regarding feeds bandwidth usage. Possible solutions to this problem are emerging slowly, like RSScache (feed caching proxy) and KnowNow (even-driven syndication). RSScache seems to offer a realistic solution to the problem, but [will it] be enough . . . ?
Slashdot user GaryM posted a related question elsewhere about 20 months ago. At that time, in that forum, commenters dismissed his proposed solution, the use of NNTP, on the grounds that NNTP is deficient, but others continue to see NNTP as a possible solution nevertheless.
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Re:It just ain't broadcast..
So what's to stop it? A well-thought-out specification (RFC stylee) and an implementation.
Interested? I'm toying with the idea of doing just that, but I can't do it on my own, and you seem to have a much deeper knowledge of NNTP than I.
I'm not much of a blogger, I have no idea which blogging software it would be most important to get a post2usenet plugin for.. There are NNTP functions in PHP though, that's always good.
There's already a project that pulls RSS feeds from the web and then posts individual descriptions+links to usenet groups, at http://www.methodize.org/nntprss/.
The scope of this thing is rather grand
1) design the protocol (making decisions like, do we want to post RSS or HTML? full-body HTML or just the blog-entry? one article per blog entry, or Supersede old posts with the most recent blog-entries? use a single newsgroup, or use a hierarchy? what about security/spoofing?)
2) get bloggers to publish to NNTP
2) get clients to use NNTP
3) get ISPs to carry the newsgroup (easier with an alt* group, but hard to prevent spoofing) or the hierarchy (usenet operators dislike new hierarchies); or set up an entirely new network (like IRC people do all the time).
It would be pivotal if a popular blogging application (movabletype, pivot, sunlog) or services (blogger? google groups?) would add a post2usenet feature. Clients would hopefully soon follow, and from there ISPs would be more willing to carry groups.
Unfortunately I don't have the political clout (or time) to get involved with all those blogging tools people... -
nntp/rss converts RSS feeds into newgroups.
I like nntprss , which acts like a RSS to NNTP (news) gateway. You can use your favorite newsreader (I use Mozilla) to read RSS feeds. And it's written in Java so it's cross-platform.
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Re:RSS Readers... reading RSS:
http://www.methodize.org/nntprss/img/screenshot-g
n us.png(using nntp//rss)
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Re:RSS Readers... reading RSS:
http://www.methodize.org/nntprss/img/screenshot-g
n us.png(using nntp//rss)
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Re:Blog-quality post on blogging
It'd be really nice to have some kind of comparison list for various blog sites out there. I note from the blogger.com information, that they're still not making RSS part of the free service level, something which (ahem) LiveJournal offers on their free accounts.
I think it's because they want more control over how people view their pages. It's understandable, because the free services must be paid for with ads. If free accounts could generate RSS, the readers might use software like NNTP//RSS to extract the raw information, without viewing the ads. -
RSS via NNTPNews readers tend to be much more powerful than RSS agregators or email programs with RSS capability (e.g. evolution).
nntp//rss is a nice tool for reading RSS feeds with your favorite newsreader.
IMHO this is a good replacement for (mostly) read-only mailing lists: it is much easier for the average person to set up a web forum with RSS than a NNTP server or even a (self-hosted) mailing list.
For interactive mailing lists, Gmane is the tool of my choice.
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Re:RSS aggragators-for hire?
Are there any *good* news aggregators for Linux?
Check out nntp//rss - it's a Java-based bridge that enables you to read your favorite RSS feeds within your existing NNTP newsreader (e.g. Mozilla/Netscape, tin, nn). -
XML (RSS/RDF) to the rescue? + Interface ideasGood point. RSS ("RDF Site Summary") - an XML standard for summarizing and pointing to website content - may be part of the solution here. The RSS 1.0 spec defines XML files that contain summary information and pointers to content on websites. Some links:
- O'Reilly has an excellent RSS tutorial.
- This article is a good source of RSS Links.
- Meerkat shows RSS in action.
- This is pretty nifty - an NNTP-RSS gateway. It lets your favorite NNTP newsreader works as RSS newsreader. (See screenshot)
[ Note: I'm no expert on RSS/RDF - just an interested reader. Maybe an expert can chip in here:... ] RSS does not provide one crucial thing - information on the internal structure of the content itself. Maybe RDF (Resource Description Framework) does that -- I'm not sure. Anyway, RSS only supplies meta-information pointing to the content. An in-car application could read out "article headers" from RSS information. If the user "selected" a particular "article header", the system would need "content-structure information" (RDF?) to skip unwanted elements like menus and ads, and just read out content like a radio news story. Of course, only some types of content lend themselves to being read out. For instance, Slashdot has a RDF feed (BTW, shouldn't this be an .RSS file?). These point to the Slashdot articles. If I "selected" a story, I'd want a script that extracted the submitted story (and NOT the user comments) and read it out.
The car's existing audio controls could be used to "browse" such "articles". Some cars have buttons mounted on the steering column to let the driver flip through radio stations without taking his hands off the wheel. For this system, two switches - an "up/down" rocker switch for navigating up and down the "Newsfeed > Headline > Article" hierarchy, and a "forward/backward" switch for navigating elements under the same hierarchy could provide the driver all the control he needed without taking his eyes off the road.
It would be good to integrate this system with another system that measured cognitive load on the driver. The recitation would pause, say, when speed exceeded some limit, or (using sonar) neighbouring cars came closer than a minimum distance, or some such combination. Done properly, this system _could_ enhance safety by providing the driver feedback. - O'Reilly has an excellent RSS tutorial.