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Nice to see them lead but it's not really an act the whole world can follow.

Sure it can. At the cost of higher energy price.

There's lots of related stories.

I just read in a somewhat recent magazine (0-2 year old) how here in Sweden/Scandinavia I think they was often recycling 90-95% (or just 95%) of the building material when they broke down a building.
In the rest of the Europe they was trying to reach 50-95% (or 50-90.)
In the US? 20%.

There's also that story about that plastic stuff in the pacific.

Over here in Sweden almost all aluminium cans are recycled, you pay 1 SEK for them when you get your drink and you get 1 SEK back when you recycle them. When people go out and drink (and just throw or put down their beer somewhere) or maybe leave their soda cans some people browse the cities for cans and look through the trash cans to pick them up and return them.
We do the same for glass (1 SEK) and PET (1 or 2 SEK) bottles.
We have had the same system for beer, cider and wine bottles to. I don't know how it works atm because I don't buy them anyway.

I'm supplied with a compost bag holder and free paper bags to put my compost in and suppost to drop that content into a compost box outside. At the parking lot (same area) I can also leave all packaging which is made of plastic, metal, glass, cardboard and papers&magazines. If you live further out on the country side there's bigger ones like these: http://www.orebro.se/310.html

Around the city there's places like this:
http://www.orebro.se/305.html
They are made like this:
http://www.orebro.se/download/18.1ae77d4612f5d50ab538000632/Atleverket_karta+%C3%B6ver+ramp+och+containrar.pdf
http://www.orebro.se/download/18.1ae77d4612f5d50ab538000634/Mellringe_karta+%C3%B6ver+ramp+och+containrar.pdf
http://www.trollhattan.se/Documents/Tekniska/renhallning/avc_detaljplan_stor2.jpg
Here's a photo of one:
http://www.orebrohus21.se/att/Hovstas%20nya%20%C3%A5tervinningscentral.JPG
http://www.emmaboda.se/upload/Om%20kommunen/Kommunala%20bolag/MHAB/Kopia%20av%20IMG_3356.JPG

There you can leave more or less everything. Electronic (everything with built in battery, TVs, ..), dish washers, fridges, freezers, things you can burn (mostly wood and furniture), plastic, asbestos, metal, light bulbs and FLs, I assume there's also room for things like garden left overs for people with no compost of their own, batteries, paint, thinners, oil, ..

In general the rest garbage is burned for long-distance/district heating (and there's places which burn more nasty stuff to.)

As for land fills those exist to but with clay in the bottom and they put stuff above and so on but I guess that may be the case in many places. But as I understand things we've actually got a bigger demand for garbage to burn (though I assume we get some pollutans/filter material by doing so) than garbage so we import garbage ..

They are rebuilding the largest one (?) in VÃsterÃ¥s:
http://www.malarenergi.se/sv/om-malarenergi/vara-anlaggningar/kraftvarmeverket/Valkommen-till-fornyelsebloggen/
I don't know where to find the nice looking schematics picture but whatever.

Nice to see them lead but it's not really an act the whole world can follow.

Sure it can. At the cost of higher energy price.

There's lots of related stories.

I just read in a somewhat recent magazine (0-2 year old) how here in Sweden/Scandinavia I think they was often recycling 90-95% (or just 95%) of the building material when they broke down a building.
In the rest of the Europe they was trying to reach 50-95% (or 50-90.)
In the US? 20%.

There's also that story about that plastic stuff in the pacific.

Over here in Sweden almost all aluminium cans are recycled, you pay 1 SEK for them when you get your drink and you get 1 SEK back when you recycle them. When people go out and drink (and just throw or put down their beer somewhere) or maybe leave their soda cans some people browse the cities for cans and look through the trash cans to pick them up and return them.
We do the same for glass (1 SEK) and PET (1 or 2 SEK) bottles.
We have had the same system for beer, cider and wine bottles to. I don't know how it works atm because I don't buy them anyway.

I'm supplied with a compost bag holder and free paper bags to put my compost in and suppost to drop that content into a compost box outside. At the parking lot (same area) I can also leave all packaging which is made of plastic, metal, glass, cardboard and papers&magazines. If you live further out on the country side there's bigger ones like these: http://www.orebro.se/310.html

Around the city there's places like this:
http://www.orebro.se/305.html
They are made like this:
http://www.orebro.se/download/18.1ae77d4612f5d50ab538000632/Atleverket_karta+%C3%B6ver+ramp+och+containrar.pdf
http://www.orebro.se/download/18.1ae77d4612f5d50ab538000634/Mellringe_karta+%C3%B6ver+ramp+och+containrar.pdf
http://www.trollhattan.se/Documents/Tekniska/renhallning/avc_detaljplan_stor2.jpg
Here's a photo of one:
http://www.orebrohus21.se/att/Hovstas%20nya%20%C3%A5tervinningscentral.JPG
http://www.emmaboda.se/upload/Om%20kommunen/Kommunala%20bolag/MHAB/Kopia%20av%20IMG_3356.JPG

There you can leave more or less everything. Electronic (everything with built in battery, TVs, ..), dish washers, fridges, freezers, things you can burn (mostly wood and furniture), plastic, asbestos, metal, light bulbs and FLs, I assume there's also room for things like garden left overs for people with no compost of their own, batteries, paint, thinners, oil, ..

In general the rest garbage is burned for long-distance/district heating (and there's places which burn more nasty stuff to.)

As for land fills those exist to but with clay in the bottom and they put stuff above and so on but I guess that may be the case in many places. But as I understand things we've actually got a bigger demand for garbage to burn (though I assume we get some pollutans/filter material by doing so) than garbage so we import garbage ..

They are rebuilding the largest one (?) in VÃsterÃ¥s:
http://www.malarenergi.se/sv/om-malarenergi/vara-anlaggningar/kraftvarmeverket/Valkommen-till-fornyelsebloggen/
I don't know where to find the nice looking schematics picture but whatever.

Nice to see them lead but it's not really an act the whole world can follow.

Sure it can. At the cost of higher energy price.

There's lots of related stories.

I just read in a somewhat recent magazine (0-2 year old) how here in Sweden/Scandinavia I think they was often recycling 90-95% (or just 95%) of the building material when they broke down a building.
In the rest of the Europe they was trying to reach 50-95% (or 50-90.)
In the US? 20%.

There's also that story about that plastic stuff in the pacific.

Over here in Sweden almost all aluminium cans are recycled, you pay 1 SEK for them when you get your drink and you get 1 SEK back when you recycle them. When people go out and drink (and just throw or put down their beer somewhere) or maybe leave their soda cans some people browse the cities for cans and look through the trash cans to pick them up and return them.
We do the same for glass (1 SEK) and PET (1 or 2 SEK) bottles.
We have had the same system for beer, cider and wine bottles to. I don't know how it works atm because I don't buy them anyway.

I'm supplied with a compost bag holder and free paper bags to put my compost in and suppost to drop that content into a compost box outside. At the parking lot (same area) I can also leave all packaging which is made of plastic, metal, glass, cardboard and papers&magazines. If you live further out on the country side there's bigger ones like these: http://www.orebro.se/310.html

Around the city there's places like this:
http://www.orebro.se/305.html
They are made like this:
http://www.orebro.se/download/18.1ae77d4612f5d50ab538000632/Atleverket_karta+%C3%B6ver+ramp+och+containrar.pdf
http://www.orebro.se/download/18.1ae77d4612f5d50ab538000634/Mellringe_karta+%C3%B6ver+ramp+och+containrar.pdf
http://www.trollhattan.se/Documents/Tekniska/renhallning/avc_detaljplan_stor2.jpg
Here's a photo of one:
http://www.orebrohus21.se/att/Hovstas%20nya%20%C3%A5tervinningscentral.JPG
http://www.emmaboda.se/upload/Om%20kommunen/Kommunala%20bolag/MHAB/Kopia%20av%20IMG_3356.JPG

There you can leave more or less everything. Electronic (everything with built in battery, TVs, ..), dish washers, fridges, freezers, things you can burn (mostly wood and furniture), plastic, asbestos, metal, light bulbs and FLs, I assume there's also room for things like garden left overs for people with no compost of their own, batteries, paint, thinners, oil, ..

In general the rest garbage is burned for long-distance/district heating (and there's places which burn more nasty stuff to.)

As for land fills those exist to but with clay in the bottom and they put stuff above and so on but I guess that may be the case in many places. But as I understand things we've actually got a bigger demand for garbage to burn (though I assume we get some pollutans/filter material by doing so) than garbage so we import garbage ..

They are rebuilding the largest one (?) in VÃsterÃ¥s:
http://www.malarenergi.se/sv/om-malarenergi/vara-anlaggningar/kraftvarmeverket/Valkommen-till-fornyelsebloggen/
I don't know where to find the nice looking schematics picture but whatever.

Nice to see them lead but it's not really an act the whole world can follow.

Sure it can. At the cost of higher energy price.

There's lots of related stories.

I just read in a somewhat recent magazine (0-2 year old) how here in Sweden/Scandinavia I think they was often recycling 90-95% (or just 95%) of the building material when they broke down a building.
In the rest of the Europe they was trying to reach 50-95% (or 50-90.)
In the US? 20%.

There's also that story about that plastic stuff in the pacific.

Over here in Sweden almost all aluminium cans are recycled, you pay 1 SEK for them when you get your drink and you get 1 SEK back when you recycle them. When people go out and drink (and just throw or put down their beer somewhere) or maybe leave their soda cans some people browse the cities for cans and look through the trash cans to pick them up and return them.
We do the same for glass (1 SEK) and PET (1 or 2 SEK) bottles.
We have had the same system for beer, cider and wine bottles to. I don't know how it works atm because I don't buy them anyway.

I'm supplied with a compost bag holder and free paper bags to put my compost in and suppost to drop that content into a compost box outside. At the parking lot (same area) I can also leave all packaging which is made of plastic, metal, glass, cardboard and papers&magazines. If you live further out on the country side there's bigger ones like these: http://www.orebro.se/310.html

Around the city there's places like this:
http://www.orebro.se/305.html
They are made like this:
http://www.orebro.se/download/18.1ae77d4612f5d50ab538000632/Atleverket_karta+%C3%B6ver+ramp+och+containrar.pdf
http://www.orebro.se/download/18.1ae77d4612f5d50ab538000634/Mellringe_karta+%C3%B6ver+ramp+och+containrar.pdf
http://www.trollhattan.se/Documents/Tekniska/renhallning/avc_detaljplan_stor2.jpg
Here's a photo of one:
http://www.orebrohus21.se/att/Hovstas%20nya%20%C3%A5tervinningscentral.JPG
http://www.emmaboda.se/upload/Om%20kommunen/Kommunala%20bolag/MHAB/Kopia%20av%20IMG_3356.JPG

There you can leave more or less everything. Electronic (everything with built in battery, TVs, ..), dish washers, fridges, freezers, things you can burn (mostly wood and furniture), plastic, asbestos, metal, light bulbs and FLs, I assume there's also room for things like garden left overs for people with no compost of their own, batteries, paint, thinners, oil, ..

In general the rest garbage is burned for long-distance/district heating (and there's places which burn more nasty stuff to.)

As for land fills those exist to but with clay in the bottom and they put stuff above and so on but I guess that may be the case in many places. But as I understand things we've actually got a bigger demand for garbage to burn (though I assume we get some pollutans/filter material by doing so) than garbage so we import garbage ..

They are rebuilding the largest one (?) in VÃsterÃ¥s:
http://www.malarenergi.se/sv/om-malarenergi/vara-anlaggningar/kraftvarmeverket/Valkommen-till-fornyelsebloggen/
I don't know where to find the nice looking schematics picture but whatever.

Seriously though, there has to be a more cost-effective method to do an experiment like this.

Yeah but this is the government (I suppose.)

If there's any money they will be spent.

(Here in my home town they like to redo the city squares for no obvious reason. I would say all three are pretty bad as is but one of them is truly catastrophic and one is just stupidly made and the last one unnecessary.
They are already discussing redoing the catastrophic one again because the last design was so fucking retarded. I wonder if it's the same guys deciding what should be done. No good ideas but others money to spend ..)

Catastropic one:
The bad idea.
The result - (The skate area can't even be used because it's tilted ...)
(Other two: http://www.orebro.se/4014.html (less cars, wide empty space and they have cut the trees a lot because they wanted to have less birds sitting in the highest ones so now they have birds in all of them instead and lots of branches growing straight up instead ..) and http://www.orebro.se/2488.html (picture two is the old one, with stairs to the left which people sat on, third is the new one with benches instead.)

Seriously though, there has to be a more cost-effective method to do an experiment like this.

Yeah but this is the government (I suppose.)

If there's any money they will be spent.

(Here in my home town they like to redo the city squares for no obvious reason. I would say all three are pretty bad as is but one of them is truly catastrophic and one is just stupidly made and the last one unnecessary.
They are already discussing redoing the catastrophic one again because the last design was so fucking retarded. I wonder if it's the same guys deciding what should be done. No good ideas but others money to spend ..)

Catastropic one:
The bad idea.
The result - (The skate area can't even be used because it's tilted ...)
(Other two: http://www.orebro.se/4014.html (less cars, wide empty space and they have cut the trees a lot because they wanted to have less birds sitting in the highest ones so now they have birds in all of them instead and lots of branches growing straight up instead ..) and http://www.orebro.se/2488.html (picture two is the old one, with stairs to the left which people sat on, third is the new one with benches instead.)

Seriously though, there has to be a more cost-effective method to do an experiment like this.

Yeah but this is the government (I suppose.)

If there's any money they will be spent.

(Here in my home town they like to redo the city squares for no obvious reason. I would say all three are pretty bad as is but one of them is truly catastrophic and one is just stupidly made and the last one unnecessary.
They are already discussing redoing the catastrophic one again because the last design was so fucking retarded. I wonder if it's the same guys deciding what should be done. No good ideas but others money to spend ..)

Catastropic one:
The bad idea.
The result - (The skate area can't even be used because it's tilted ...)
(Other two: http://www.orebro.se/4014.html (less cars, wide empty space and they have cut the trees a lot because they wanted to have less birds sitting in the highest ones so now they have birds in all of them instead and lots of branches growing straight up instead ..) and http://www.orebro.se/2488.html (picture two is the old one, with stairs to the left which people sat on, third is the new one with benches instead.)

Thankfully they have put down all new paving stone in the city area.

And there will probably be ways around it. The question is why it takes so fucking long for everyone to start using them?

I doubt the average Swede got what it takes to do anything though...

Though some people have proven that they can react:
http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00108/16698348_108431b.jpg
http://cdnstatic.expressen.se/polopoly/bilder/2007/02/11/1.454042TS1283934948235_defaultImage.jpg
http://www.fokus.se/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/vfgoteborg.jpg
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/multimedia/archive/00027/deb221_27196w.jpg
http://www.bioroxy.orebro.se/bilder/terror.jpg

The government has to be reminded who's in charge every now and then ..

Ah, but have you talked to the people who are actually doing your "recycling"?

No, but I've seen the number of states doing any bottle recycling at all in the US, and even less so plastic bottles if I remember accordingly. I've also seen the numbers for how many bottles got recycled in the state with the highest refund upon returning.

I assume the numbers where quite similar for our whole country as they where for that state. Think it was well above 90%.

Some people only want to look at cost or energy consumption, and I'm not convinced recycling fails even there, but anyhow atleast you recycle the material as well. Also who wants to throw in an estimated price for cleaning up the great pacific garbage patch? No one?

It's quite easy to make the numbers work if you decide what you want to count or not ..

I have no reason to speak to them. I'm quite sure it works well here.
http://pantamera.se/start.asp
http://pantamera.se/aluburken.asp
91% of our ~1 one billion aluminum cans get recycled.
Latest recycling refund is 1 sek = 0.15 US$
http://pantamera.se/pet.asp
88% of our 600 million plastic bottles get recycled.
Refund is 1-2 sek depending on size.

http://www.ftiab.se/
Handles more or less everything else.
5800 recycling stations spread around the country, but the you got local collection points as well.
Stations in my city:
http://se.ftiab.se/fti/sokavs/private/avsresult.aspx?kommun_id=11880&ort=%D6rebro
Items you can leave at the largest ones:
http://www.orebro.se/307.html

Myths:
http://www.ftiab.se/hushall/faktamyter/myter.4.405877db1168b3d892a80001405.html
Q & A:
http://www.ftiab.se/hushall/faktamyter/fragorsvar.4.405877db1168b3d892a80001426.html
"Did you know?"
http://www.ftiab.se/hushall/faktamyter/vissteduatt.4.405877db1168b3d892a80001412.html
* 9 of 10 recycle packaging and papers.
* 3 of 4 packages get recycled.
* 4 of 5 papers.
* 750.000-800.000 metric tones of packaging get recycled every year.
* 459.000 metric tones of papers 2008, 52 kg / inhabitant.
* One metric tone of hard plastic can become 84.000 plastic flower pots.
* Every day 'Fiskeby Board' manufactures enough carton of recycled paper packaging material to make a 3.7 meter wide roll long enough to cover the distance from Malmö to Norrköping.
* If you put all the glass packages collected in Sweden within a year on a row they would reach around the earth.
* Paper can be recycled seven times before the fiber is worn out and gets burned for energy.
* Recycling of steel saves 75% of the energy which would had been used if you had made new one instead. If all steel packages where recycled that would be enough energy to heat 5.400 small houses.
* Recycling of aluminum saves 95% .. 8.500 houses.
* Recycling of glass saves 20% of the energy.
* There is as much energy in 1 kg of plastic packaging as there is in 1 kg of oil.
* Manufacturing of recycled paper only need 1/3 the energy of new one.
* Recycling of 1 kg of plastic saves 2 kg of carbon dioxide release compared to manufacturing new one.

Recycling process:
http://www.ftiab.se/hushall/omatervinningen/atervinningsprocessen.4.405877db1168b3d892a800077.html
Statistics:

Over here in Örebro all the city busses and all the municipal cars are driven by gas from a plant producing it from mostly grass but also whatever vegetable bi-products.

The municipal web page mention that 1 kg of garbage / sewage (?) waste contain 70% organic material and 30% inorganic material. 1 kg organic material can become around 1 cubic meter biogas with an equivalent energy content of 0.5 liter gas/oil or 5 KWh. They get around 20.000 MWh / year from the local waste dump.

Another web page mention how 60 GWh is produced in the green gras facility and 20 GWh at the sewage treatment plant. Or equivalent to 8 million cubic meter of gas.

They have made a facility of the same size in Linköping but that one run on a more varied diet, don't remember on what though, but probably slaughter waste and such to. Read more about capacities at Swedish bio-gas:
http://www.svenskbiogas.se/sb/biogas/anlaggningar/

Örebro also delivers gas to Stockholm.

Reminds me how I saw some TV documentary about how people in poor locations got gas collecting equipment on their own sewage "holes" so they could get some electricity, which I think was used for light or something such. May have been a few years back.

Maybe it depends on when the water pipes was dug down and the material of them and how often they are checked up and repaired?

I guess if there are lots of tree rots which has broken them and they are filled with algea and shit or maybe even leakage from actual sewage you get that result ;/

Over here we have a river passing inside the town, water is taken from it by a 1 meter in diameter pipe before the actual city. By then it probably contains lots of sediments, fertilisers from the farmers and other crap. It's flocked and filtered thru multiple sand baths until it's quite clean and then pumped to three lakes which you're not allowed to bath in. The lakes is located nearby, uhm, stone fells/hommocks/? (collections of stones made by the ice during the last ice age) and is filtered thru all the gravel and mixed up with real ground water.

The water is collected once again, pH is correct and it get disinfected, from one of the locations it also gets air treated for radon removal.

http://www.orebro.se/serviceochtjanster/trafikochteknik/skolinformation/vattenochavlopp/skramstavattenverk.4.37c0d5e810d685ee730800018267.html

All this is free.

Lans' system had an accuracy in the decimeter range (tenth of a yard) BEFORE the US DOD stopped fuzzying the GPS signal. This was achieved by a STDMA datalink (Self organising Time Division Multiple Access) and adding a few (there are currently around 30 of them covering Sweden, a country roughly the size of California) land-based transponder stations to the satellite coverage. The system basically use the land-based stations to enhance the satellite data. It is mature, operational and is an ITU and IMO world standard for large ships.

On the terrorist/security aspect, I'd just like to point out that all civilian and military aircraft are required to carry and operate radar transponders at all times while in 'civilian' airspace so this system doesn't change anything in that respect.

In short - it's a great system and everyone should use it; but it's hardly news.