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The first price is upgrading from "unlimited" to "enterprise" and costs 100 euros. The second price is upgrading from "single server" to "enterprise" and costs 175 euros.

That said... +4, really? I can understand how someone can misread the pricing structure since it's a little confusing. But how can at least two people mod this up when simply reading the post they're moderating would show them he just misread the stuff he quoted? You don't even have to follow any links, the information's all there.

Well, I've made my gripe, carry on. To make this a little more on-topic: I use Kupu because it comes with Plone and is pretty nice.

There are WYSIWYG xml editors out there - so you don't have to delve down into the ugly details unless you really want to -- and you can modify the online look via CSS, and use other filters to generate PDF, and other formats as needed.

It is not rocket science.

Kupu, an open source WYSIWYG XHTML editor that you can run from your web browser can be found here: http://kupu.oscom.org/

Get Kupu! http://kupu.oscom.org/ , or Fckeditor http://www.fckeditor.net/ , or any of the Javascript text box replacements. I don't write emails with a telegraph key, and I don't build PNG images with MS paint. Replace these awful text boxes with something less painless.

A face lift and interface switch is great, but really some of these features need to step into the new century.

Erik

I bet you mean Kupu or something like that :)

What are the downsides to their content management system? I was looking at it very seriously last weekend (http://matrix.squiz.net/), and although I was surprised by the licensing terms, the features are incredible--I think the only other OSS project currently offering anything comparable is Plone, although I'd be glad to be corrected. Just don't say Mambo or Xaraya or anything else at http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ or http://www.oscom.org/matrix/index.html that I've already investigated. Our current (costly) content management system runs over 350 separate domains, and we've got to have a finished CMS designed to do that all in one package while being clusterable and providing Mac/Linux-compatible WYSIWYG editing to end users managing one site each. Plone might fit the bill, but its Python and ZODB foundations feel pretty exotic compared to MySource Matrix's PHP and PostgreSQL ... Most of our developers won't touch Plone. On the other hand, MySource Matrix's licensing terms would actually be an improvement here, where inertia causes all our source to remain closed under ordinary circumstances.

Graphics programs - I will hand you that; you probably do need direct access to the graphics card to do anything non-trivial - just as video games do.

Gaim - actually there are several browser based chat applications floating around already. These could certainly be extended to do the same things as Gaim.

A terminal emulator would also be fairly trivial - as this would be similar to a chat application (realtime updates of screen state).

Text editing, word processing - actually these are very well suited to a web application. For example, I no longer keep my traditional documentation/writings on my hard drive, I have a server that I access via an http client - I do all my writing on the web, and when I save - it saves the content as XML. I have a choice of either editing the raw XML - or using a wysiwyg editor - such as kupu - a completely web based and fully functional 'word processor' style editor (and there are others as well). Once it is saved, then I can attach meta-data to the content, I can search, sort, filter and plug it into a revision control system. As for program code, while that does reside on my workstation - after debugging is done, I check it into my CVS system via a WWW interface.

A spreadsheet is certainly doable on the web - but accountants and others who use these heavily are so entrenched and the tools so mature, it would take a major act of God to make them change. Probably something I would leave on the desktop for now.

The nice thing about my setup is that most of my files reside on the server - which means I can access them from anywhere in the world (using VPN of course) on any machine connected to the internet. I am not tied down to one machine - and I don't have to remember to take my laptop with me everywhere I go - an internet cafe, or a friend's workstation will do in a pinch.

Another thing that is nice about a centralized setup is I can do global searches across the content, and meta-data associated with that content - information I have collected and created is at my fingertips. On my workstation disk the information was scattered across unrelated files - and remembering where I put something and what I happened to name it was a real headache. Not anymore.

I have multiple machines, one is for development (mostly website related), one is for building linux distros, one is my game machine, and one is a firewall. As you would expect, I record a lot of information about those machines; having it in one central place makes it easy to get to and if I accidentally (or on purpose) wipe a disk, I still have the data available. This would be equally useful to anyone who creates or collects a large number of files, and who doesn't these days?

Finally, disaster recovery is a snap; I have multiple backups of my web server database that I burn to CD and move offsite periodically - I simply reinstall the software then restore the database and I am back online with minimal damage. If my house burns down, I can still recover the vast majority of my data from the offsite CDs. Another thing I will be doing in the future is mirroring two machines so there will be no downtime during recovery (provided the house doesn't burn down - simply reinstall the software, then resync from the good mirror).

Most people don't have the stable of machines that I do nor the inclination to do your own development, so a more simple setup (but not for the faint of heart) would be to have two machines:

1. Workstation game box. (load python or perl for automation - OS of your choice)
2. Linux server machine (load perl python/Zope - install zope products: plone, silva, kupu)

plone is a content management system - allows you to build a folderish structure, upload files into it, and associate meta-data with those files. It has a built-in search capability similar to a google search interface. You can also create/compose your own files using plain text, structured text or xhtml. You can als

BXE is an open source browser-based WYSIWYG XML editor with WebDAV support.

Also check out CMS Québec, the Oscom matrix and the CMS matrix - mostly for CMSes, but blogs often fit that category too.

This article discusses a new browser-based spreadsheet application in testing, just announced today on the OSCom mailing list. It also discusses browser-based open source applicaton alternatives in general.

eZ Publish from ez.no, and a bunch of others listed at OSCOM

But I would stay well away from some of the new stuff. There are plenty of CMS's out there without a project needing to use something that is new and is a duplicate of an existing product.

The OSCOM 3 conference is on May 28th-30th in Cambridge, MA.

/Bergie

To everyone else, sorry for the rant, but this article really is nonsense and insulting to everyone who works hard in the open source community on almost any project.

Did you even read the article? Sorry, wrong question on Slashdot.

Anyway, if you had read the article, you would have noticed that the people behind it and OSCOM are founders of several major Open Source CMS projects.

Actually, the article isn't even complaining about lack of adoption of standards in Open Source CMSs, it is a document outlining different ways to improve the situation in ways that make sense for developers of different CMS projects.

/Bergie

I was just doing a quick search and found that there was recently a conference devoted to open source content management systems. A look at the conference agenda points to a number of interesting projects. Wyona and Bitflux sound especially interesting.