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You don't have to use ndiswrapper, dude. You can just use b43. It's easy. I have a broadcom running natively in linux. See here: http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43 Ubuntu's (big, slow) default kernel uses bcm43xx by default, a deprecated driver, unless you're using Hardy. I didn't mean to flame there, I'm sorry. I'm just a little...well, passionate.

There is no way that an open-source GPU driver can ever achieve same quality (in terms of performance and compatibility at a given timeframe) as an actively developed proprietary driver. GPUs are very complex devices, and drivers make a huge difference on performance. In order to make a fast driver you really need to know how the target GPU works on a very low level.

Naturally, NVidia will not disclose this low level stuff about their GPUs to outsiders.

You can compare GPU drivers to compilers. There is no way that open-source compiler (GCC) will ever produce as good code for new Intel's CPUs as Intel's own compiler (ICC) as long as ICC is actively developed.

First, let me say that I am totally shattered and disappointed. I am doing work in both the Linux and BSD communities, and this is by far one of the most destructive flamewar I have ever witnessed. It will be hard to repair the damage done... This is very sad.

More commentary from the BSD community is over at undeadly.org.

It's only fair to note that while there has been lots of stupid flaming on the OpenBSD side as usual, the linux bcw developers, while trying to appear rather nice and careful on the public mailing lists, where laughing their asses off about the whole thing behind the scenes in their IRC channel. They didn't exactly try hard to keep things peaceful either.

Some quotes, the first one actually shows the igniting spark. Others show how people enjoyed watching the flames.I find it disgusting that some people seemed to enjoy watching an already brittle relationship between two deeply related communities fall into pieces. Do they also throw stones at public demonstrations and then go home to watch the riots on telly?

[20:55] <nbd> when you complain about the license violation, please make it publicly :)<br>
[20:55] <mb_> I think I should contact them. That's crossing a border. Copying magic register writes is one thing, but copying algorithms is another<br>
[20:55] Action: nbd thinks this is very blatant<br>
[20:55] <johill> mail the authors, Cc Theo de Raadt, and bcm43xx and jon (lwn)<br>
[20:55] <st3> i'dd cc lkml too<br>
[20:55] <johill> watch the outcry<br>
[20:55] <st3> for the sake of fun<br>
[20:55] <mb_> no, not lkml<br> [20:56] <mb_> I don't like stupid replies from retards in my inbox :)
[20:56] <johill> heh
[20:56] <mb_> Too many of them subscribed there

[20:44] <st3> It's too late. He has given up, because of your first mail.
[20:44] <st3> He has already deleted his work from our tree.
[20:44] <st3> everybody is crying
[20:47] <st3> "Too late."
[20:48] <st3> rotfl
[20:48] <st3> well, i'm a bit sorry anyway

[01:40] <johill> nothing
[01:40] <johill> fluff
[01:40] <johill> he needs to fill his email with long paragraphs
[01:41] <johill> (I think he's trying to say that the developer who stole all the code shouldn't really be blamed because he might be too much of a wimp)
[01:41] <johill> ;)

[01:51] Action: Newsome laughs at theo complaining about someone being "mean"

[23:46] <Kaloz> theo is emotional and sensitive guy
[23:46] <Kaloz> and you are all bastards
[23:46] <Kaloz> he's now crying in a dark corner :(
[23:46] <Kaloz> :P
[23:47] <Kaloz> hey, theo is an emo? :D
[23:53] <mb_> :D

[13:33] <Kaloz> I know the bsd morons quite enough.. what always make me laugh that they simply claim whatever software it is, if it's gpl, it's crap and badly coded

First, let me say that I am totally shattered and disappointed. I am doing work in both the Linux and BSD communities, and this is by far one of the most destructive flamewar I have ever witnessed. It will be hard to repair the damage done... This is very sad.

More commentary from the BSD community is over at undeadly.org.

It's only fair to note that while there has been lots of stupid flaming on the OpenBSD side as usual, the linux bcw developers, while trying to appear rather nice and careful on the public mailing lists, where laughing their asses off about the whole thing behind the scenes in their IRC channel. They didn't exactly try hard to keep things peaceful either.

Some quotes, the first one actually shows the igniting spark. Others show how people enjoyed watching the flames.I find it disgusting that some people seemed to enjoy watching an already brittle relationship between two deeply related communities fall into pieces. Do they also throw stones at public demonstrations and then go home to watch the riots on telly?

[20:55] <nbd> when you complain about the license violation, please make it publicly :)<br>
[20:55] <mb_> I think I should contact them. That's crossing a border. Copying magic register writes is one thing, but copying algorithms is another<br>
[20:55] Action: nbd thinks this is very blatant<br>
[20:55] <johill> mail the authors, Cc Theo de Raadt, and bcm43xx and jon (lwn)<br>
[20:55] <st3> i'dd cc lkml too<br>
[20:55] <johill> watch the outcry<br>
[20:55] <st3> for the sake of fun<br>
[20:55] <mb_> no, not lkml<br> [20:56] <mb_> I don't like stupid replies from retards in my inbox :)
[20:56] <johill> heh
[20:56] <mb_> Too many of them subscribed there

[20:44] <st3> It's too late. He has given up, because of your first mail.
[20:44] <st3> He has already deleted his work from our tree.
[20:44] <st3> everybody is crying
[20:47] <st3> "Too late."
[20:48] <st3> rotfl
[20:48] <st3> well, i'm a bit sorry anyway

[01:40] <johill> nothing
[01:40] <johill> fluff
[01:40] <johill> he needs to fill his email with long paragraphs
[01:41] <johill> (I think he's trying to say that the developer who stole all the code shouldn't really be blamed because he might be too much of a wimp)
[01:41] <johill> ;)

[01:51] Action: Newsome laughs at theo complaining about someone being "mean"

[23:46] <Kaloz> theo is emotional and sensitive guy
[23:46] <Kaloz> and you are all bastards
[23:46] <Kaloz> he's now crying in a dark corner :(
[23:46] <Kaloz> :P
[23:47] <Kaloz> hey, theo is an emo? :D
[23:53] <mb_> :D

[13:33] <Kaloz> I know the bsd morons quite enough.. what always make me laugh that they simply claim whatever software it is, if it's gpl, it's crap and badly coded

First, let me say that I am totally shattered and disappointed. I am doing work in both the Linux and BSD communities, and this is by far one of the most destructive flamewar I have ever witnessed. It will be hard to repair the damage done... This is very sad.

More commentary from the BSD community is over at undeadly.org.

It's only fair to note that while there has been lots of stupid flaming on the OpenBSD side as usual, the linux bcw developers, while trying to appear rather nice and careful on the public mailing lists, where laughing their asses off about the whole thing behind the scenes in their IRC channel. They didn't exactly try hard to keep things peaceful either.

Some quotes, the first one actually shows the igniting spark. Others show how people enjoyed watching the flames.I find it disgusting that some people seemed to enjoy watching an already brittle relationship between two deeply related communities fall into pieces. Do they also throw stones at public demonstrations and then go home to watch the riots on telly?

[20:55] <nbd> when you complain about the license violation, please make it publicly :)<br>
[20:55] <mb_> I think I should contact them. That's crossing a border. Copying magic register writes is one thing, but copying algorithms is another<br>
[20:55] Action: nbd thinks this is very blatant<br>
[20:55] <johill> mail the authors, Cc Theo de Raadt, and bcm43xx and jon (lwn)<br>
[20:55] <st3> i'dd cc lkml too<br>
[20:55] <johill> watch the outcry<br>
[20:55] <st3> for the sake of fun<br>
[20:55] <mb_> no, not lkml<br> [20:56] <mb_> I don't like stupid replies from retards in my inbox :)
[20:56] <johill> heh
[20:56] <mb_> Too many of them subscribed there

[20:44] <st3> It's too late. He has given up, because of your first mail.
[20:44] <st3> He has already deleted his work from our tree.
[20:44] <st3> everybody is crying
[20:47] <st3> "Too late."
[20:48] <st3> rotfl
[20:48] <st3> well, i'm a bit sorry anyway

[01:40] <johill> nothing
[01:40] <johill> fluff
[01:40] <johill> he needs to fill his email with long paragraphs
[01:41] <johill> (I think he's trying to say that the developer who stole all the code shouldn't really be blamed because he might be too much of a wimp)
[01:41] <johill> ;)

[01:51] Action: Newsome laughs at theo complaining about someone being "mean"

[23:46] <Kaloz> theo is emotional and sensitive guy
[23:46] <Kaloz> and you are all bastards
[23:46] <Kaloz> he's now crying in a dark corner :(
[23:46] <Kaloz> :P
[23:47] <Kaloz> hey, theo is an emo? :D
[23:53] <mb_> :D

[13:33] <Kaloz> I know the bsd morons quite enough.. what always make me laugh that they simply claim whatever software it is, if it's gpl, it's crap and badly coded

First, let me say that I am totally shattered and disappointed. I am doing work in both the Linux and BSD communities, and this is by far one of the most destructive flamewar I have ever witnessed. It will be hard to repair the damage done... This is very sad.

More commentary from the BSD community is over at undeadly.org.

It's only fair to note that while there has been lots of stupid flaming on the OpenBSD side as usual, the linux bcw developers, while trying to appear rather nice and careful on the public mailing lists, where laughing their asses off about the whole thing behind the scenes in their IRC channel. They didn't exactly try hard to keep things peaceful either.

Some quotes, the first one actually shows the igniting spark. Others show how people enjoyed watching the flames.I find it disgusting that some people seemed to enjoy watching an already brittle relationship between two deeply related communities fall into pieces. Do they also throw stones at public demonstrations and then go home to watch the riots on telly?

[20:55] <nbd> when you complain about the license violation, please make it publicly :)<br>
[20:55] <mb_> I think I should contact them. That's crossing a border. Copying magic register writes is one thing, but copying algorithms is another<br>
[20:55] Action: nbd thinks this is very blatant<br>
[20:55] <johill> mail the authors, Cc Theo de Raadt, and bcm43xx and jon (lwn)<br>
[20:55] <st3> i'dd cc lkml too<br>
[20:55] <johill> watch the outcry<br>
[20:55] <st3> for the sake of fun<br>
[20:55] <mb_> no, not lkml<br> [20:56] <mb_> I don't like stupid replies from retards in my inbox :)
[20:56] <johill> heh
[20:56] <mb_> Too many of them subscribed there

[20:44] <st3> It's too late. He has given up, because of your first mail.
[20:44] <st3> He has already deleted his work from our tree.
[20:44] <st3> everybody is crying
[20:47] <st3> "Too late."
[20:48] <st3> rotfl
[20:48] <st3> well, i'm a bit sorry anyway

[01:40] <johill> nothing
[01:40] <johill> fluff
[01:40] <johill> he needs to fill his email with long paragraphs
[01:41] <johill> (I think he's trying to say that the developer who stole all the code shouldn't really be blamed because he might be too much of a wimp)
[01:41] <johill> ;)

[01:51] Action: Newsome laughs at theo complaining about someone being "mean"

[23:46] <Kaloz> theo is emotional and sensitive guy
[23:46] <Kaloz> and you are all bastards
[23:46] <Kaloz> he's now crying in a dark corner :(
[23:46] <Kaloz> :P
[23:47] <Kaloz> hey, theo is an emo? :D
[23:53] <mb_> :D

[13:33] <Kaloz> I know the bsd morons quite enough.. what always make me laugh that they simply claim whatever software it is, if it's gpl, it's crap and badly coded