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Since when did the flu shot prevent people from contracting or spreading the flu? It doesn't, on either count. Especially if you are vaccinated against last year's strain, which presumably is NOT the strain that will cause a global pandemic.

Don't spread lies when people's health is at stake. When you hear talking about a flu vaccine that's for the wrong strain, it's never "useless". IN 2017, the flu shot was 30% effective. That's a huge reduction in hte number of vectors spreading the disease. And a lot of lives saved.

https://www.skepticalraptor.co...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

A shill gambit? I expected better from you.

Dude, it is very, very clear the term was not coined in 1998 -- it was already in common use for at least several years before.

Martin, is that you?

If I was a paid shill and that was all I could come up with, I suppose I'd post anonymously, too...

And today we present the Shill Gambit.

The shill gambit is a type of ad hominem or poisoning the well logical fallacy, wherein one party dismisses the other’s argument by proclaiming them to be on the payroll of some company.

Sometimes known as the Big Pharma Shill Gambit or the Monsanto Shill Gambit. The shill gambit is used fallaciously when the only “evidence” given of such a connection to a big company or government is the endorsement of the position of the government or company, without any other evidence–the implication is that they provide that endorsement only because they receive some sort of compensation from the company or other agency.

On the other hand when such conflict of interest is both demonstrated by verifiable evidence and can be shown to interfere with a person’s judgement of the evidence, then it’s no longer a logical fallacy.

http://www.skepticalraptor.com...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/S...

And he also lied about the Japanese 'banning' the vaccine:
http://www.skepticalraptor.com...
All the Japanese Health Ministry did was note the generalized-pain side effect reported by 180 women out of the 8.9M Japanese women who have taken - and are still taking - the vaccine.

Don't forget about how Merck was found to be lying about the effectiveness of the Mumps part of the MMR. It is more like 35% effective. So you can believe the lies if you want. I would rather have the facts and would like to see true scientific studies done on these things. Something like a double blind study, which is not allowed with vaccines since they are assumed to work, so we can't withhold treatment of them for a study. Sounds like circular reasoning to me.

Merck was accused of lying about the effectiveness of the Mumps component of the MMR. Mumps Vaccine Effective Waning Immunity has links to three peer-reviewed research papers on the effectiveness of the effectiveness of the mumps component of the MMR vaccine and found it to be about 85-88%. These studies had nothing to do with Merck, so whether they were fudging numbers or not is irrelevant.

This attitude about let's not discuss any possible downside because it will give the anti-vax people ammunition is part of the problem. Often forgotten is that a certain percentage of people who get vaccines die.

Your claim has no source so I'll provide one. Summary there is currently no evidence to support a causal relationship between vaccinations and death. So there is no evidence that vaccines are causing the death of anybody at all. Zero deaths given the huge power of the study (13 million people and 24 million vaccinations).

The funny thing about this... there is no mainstream religion that actually bans vaccinations. Religious dogma predates the germ theory and therefore couldn't have possibly included vaccinations as anything banned.

In fact, it's the exact opposite. Most religions (at least Abrahamic religions) dictate that personal health is a paramount concern. Even if something required for good health would violate some religious law, good health overrides the religious law. For example, Judaism and Islam declare pigs as unclean animals. They are not to be consumed. However, if a pork derivative is used in a vaccine, the rule of good health means that not getting the vaccine would actually be violating religious law.

The "religious exception" was added in there so idiotic anti-vaxxers could deny their children necessary vaccinations without ever getting questioned, because asking a person about their religion is considered discriminatory.

US Media Blackout Of Italian Vaccine Ruling

Poor dumbed down Americans will never know the truth.

Rimini: 2012 – Italian Court Rules MMR Vaccine Caused Autism [zengardner.com]

On September 23, 2014, an Italian court in Milan award compensation to a boy for vaccine-induced autism. (See the Italian document here.) A childhood vaccine against six childhood diseases caused the boy’s permanent autism and brain damage.

While the Italian press has devoted considerable attention to this decision and its public health implications, the U.S. press has been silent.
Italy’s National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

Well. yes we've already heard of this in the USA. It's old news.
You may be surprised to learn that the media in the USA is not compelled to print every piece of bullshit that comes up. If you had been awake during the last few decades you would have known that news commentators that get caught telling stories that are later proven to be false are fired without a second chance.

From 2013, here's an article from Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/em...
And another from 2013:
http://www.skepticalraptor.com...

It appears that the courts depended upon the testimony of a single doctor who has never published in a journal, but yet who claims to have a cure for autism.

CDC made no such admission. http://www.skepticalraptor.com... Stop citing rumor websites.

Unless you have personally done the research, you also have a cognitive bias to accept one of the largest bodies of modern scientific research. It's only a matter of which side you believe, in the end.

Both sides act like drunken schoolyard bullies beating up the smaller kids for their lunch money.

I saw what you did there.