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...America works extremely well. We have a mainstream media that perpetuates misconceptions about the way the country currently works, and obscure a fair amount of crucial pieces of law from the people. Case in point, chances are you have no Constitutional rights, and neither does the Bill of Rights apply to you. (Never mind that the 14th Amendment was never lawfully ratified, see documentation here, here, and a State Supreme Court opinion here. The Supreme Court has not yet made a ruling on the validity of the 14th Amendment's supposed ratification, to the best of my knowledge.) United States citizens are bound by adhesion contracts, exchanging their rights for privileges and benefits that can be changed and revoked at will. Most of them are acutely aware of this situation as applies to their Social Security benefits, many of whom realize that they'll never see their payout. A waiver of these benefits anulls the contract, of course, and then one is free to do whatever one likes, provided there is no injured party. An essentially baseless currency is problematic, but there are those who intentionally deal in gold and barter. An increasingly misinformed citizenry is depressing (most people thought that Clinton's womanizing was worthwhile news; I'm more worried about this), but it's nice to know that when they finally push people too far, they'll eventually do something about it (although thanks to the amazing advances in modern technology, never before in history have so few been able to oppress so many with so little). All things considered, the States are a great place to be. They afford more freedom and opportunity than most other places I'm aware of... for those who understand how stuff works.

[Shameless plug: For more on this stuff, head to my page. I've got a write-up and some informative links under Sovereign Citizenship.]

...America works extremely well. We have a mainstream media that perpetuates misconceptions about the way the country currently works, and obscure a fair amount of crucial pieces of law from the people. Case in point, chances are you have no Constitutional rights, and neither does the Bill of Rights apply to you. (Never mind that the 14th Amendment was never lawfully ratified, see documentation here, here, and a State Supreme Court opinion here. The Supreme Court has not yet made a ruling on the validity of the 14th Amendment's supposed ratification, to the best of my knowledge.) United States citizens are bound by adhesion contracts, exchanging their rights for privileges and benefits that can be changed and revoked at will. Most of them are acutely aware of this situation as applies to their Social Security benefits, many of whom realize that they'll never see their payout. A waiver of these benefits anulls the contract, of course, and then one is free to do whatever one likes, provided there is no injured party. An essentially baseless currency is problematic, but there are those who intentionally deal in gold and barter. An increasingly misinformed citizenry is depressing (most people thought that Clinton's womanizing was worthwhile news; I'm more worried about this), but it's nice to know that when they finally push people too far, they'll eventually do something about it (although thanks to the amazing advances in modern technology, never before in history have so few been able to oppress so many with so little). All things considered, the States are a great place to be. They afford more freedom and opportunity than most other places I'm aware of... for those who understand how stuff works.

[Shameless plug: For more on this stuff, head to my page. I've got a write-up and some informative links under Sovereign Citizenship.]

...America works extremely well. We have a mainstream media that perpetuates misconceptions about the way the country currently works, and obscure a fair amount of crucial pieces of law from the people. Case in point, chances are you have no Constitutional rights, and neither does the Bill of Rights apply to you. (Never mind that the 14th Amendment was never lawfully ratified, see documentation here, here, and a State Supreme Court opinion here. The Supreme Court has not yet made a ruling on the validity of the 14th Amendment's supposed ratification, to the best of my knowledge.) United States citizens are bound by adhesion contracts, exchanging their rights for privileges and benefits that can be changed and revoked at will. Most of them are acutely aware of this situation as applies to their Social Security benefits, many of whom realize that they'll never see their payout. A waiver of these benefits anulls the contract, of course, and then one is free to do whatever one likes, provided there is no injured party. An essentially baseless currency is problematic, but there are those who intentionally deal in gold and barter. An increasingly misinformed citizenry is depressing (most people thought that Clinton's womanizing was worthwhile news; I'm more worried about this), but it's nice to know that when they finally push people too far, they'll eventually do something about it (although thanks to the amazing advances in modern technology, never before in history have so few been able to oppress so many with so little). All things considered, the States are a great place to be. They afford more freedom and opportunity than most other places I'm aware of... for those who understand how stuff works.

[Shameless plug: For more on this stuff, head to my page. I've got a write-up and some informative links under Sovereign Citizenship.]

...America works extremely well. We have a mainstream media that perpetuates misconceptions about the way the country currently works, and obscure a fair amount of crucial pieces of law from the people. Case in point, chances are you have no Constitutional rights, and neither does the Bill of Rights apply to you. (Never mind that the 14th Amendment was never lawfully ratified, see documentation here, here, and a State Supreme Court opinion here. The Supreme Court has not yet made a ruling on the validity of the 14th Amendment's supposed ratification, to the best of my knowledge.) United States citizens are bound by adhesion contracts, exchanging their rights for privileges and benefits that can be changed and revoked at will. Most of them are acutely aware of this situation as applies to their Social Security benefits, many of whom realize that they'll never see their payout. A waiver of these benefits anulls the contract, of course, and then one is free to do whatever one likes, provided there is no injured party. An essentially baseless currency is problematic, but there are those who intentionally deal in gold and barter. An increasingly misinformed citizenry is depressing (most people thought that Clinton's womanizing was worthwhile news; I'm more worried about this), but it's nice to know that when they finally push people too far, they'll eventually do something about it (although thanks to the amazing advances in modern technology, never before in history have so few been able to oppress so many with so little). All things considered, the States are a great place to be. They afford more freedom and opportunity than most other places I'm aware of... for those who understand how stuff works.

[Shameless plug: For more on this stuff, head to my page. I've got a write-up and some informative links under Sovereign Citizenship.]

...America works extremely well. We have a mainstream media that perpetuates misconceptions about the way the country currently works, and obscure a fair amount of crucial pieces of law from the people. Case in point, chances are you have no Constitutional rights, and neither does the Bill of Rights apply to you. (Never mind that the 14th Amendment was never lawfully ratified, see documentation here, here, and a State Supreme Court opinion here. The Supreme Court has not yet made a ruling on the validity of the 14th Amendment's supposed ratification, to the best of my knowledge.) United States citizens are bound by adhesion contracts, exchanging their rights for privileges and benefits that can be changed and revoked at will. Most of them are acutely aware of this situation as applies to their Social Security benefits, many of whom realize that they'll never see their payout. A waiver of these benefits anulls the contract, of course, and then one is free to do whatever one likes, provided there is no injured party. An essentially baseless currency is problematic, but there are those who intentionally deal in gold and barter. An increasingly misinformed citizenry is depressing (most people thought that Clinton's womanizing was worthwhile news; I'm more worried about this), but it's nice to know that when they finally push people too far, they'll eventually do something about it (although thanks to the amazing advances in modern technology, never before in history have so few been able to oppress so many with so little). All things considered, the States are a great place to be. They afford more freedom and opportunity than most other places I'm aware of... for those who understand how stuff works.

[Shameless plug: For more on this stuff, head to my page. I've got a write-up and some informative links under Sovereign Citizenship.]

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"Second-rate cases based on flawed legal theory, but impressive nonetheless"

Puhleeze, that's about a thousand federal circuit and appeals court cases, not some rogue hillbilly judge who doesn't know the law.

You misread my post in your zeal, I think. I said the cases were flawed, and that the so-called sovereign citizens in question hadn't done their homework. By those statements the reader was meant to draw the inference that the former was caused by the latter, not because some neccessarily backwater or beholden judge gave a perfectly good case unfair ruling. That last was your invention, and it was incorrect. But as always, thanks for the attitude and the inbred "Everybody knows [insert cliche'd lie here]" argument, it's always appreciated.

As far as I know the US Supreme Court has not seen fit to examine such fine legal arguments as "well, the flag has fringe on it, therefore this is a court of admiralty!"

Believe it or not, not every law of the land is created by the Supreme Court. Some of it is actually written in the form of statutes and legislation. Here are a few links to research and raw law regarding gold fringe and admiralty. Can you cite law back to refute it?

Why is there fringe around the flag?
Foundation 5 Newsletter (.zip format)
Examination of admiralty jurisdiction as relevant to this

because of course you don't have to be a citizen of a country to be bound by their laws

No, but you do have to be within that country to be. The several States are not in the United States, as counterintuitive as that first seems, since the land was not ceded to the federal government upon the formation of the United States. Rather, the federal government was given jurisdiction over certain highly limited matters. It is supreme within its own bailiwick, as it should be. In all other matters, the several States are supreme, as they hold ownership of the land itself.

Would that be "obscure fine points" such as the crystal clear regulations of what constitutes an US citizen

Those are, if anything, intentionally obscure and obscured, as more than cursory reading of the alleged Fourteenth Amendment shows.

laws apply to EVERYONE, citizen or not -- whether you volunteer to recognize them or not!

I live in California. Does Japanese law apply to me? Likewise, in matters beyond the limited scope of federal jurisdiction, does federal law constrain me? Not at all.

"Second-rate cases based on flawed legal theory, but impressive nonetheless"

Puhleeze, that's about a thousand federal circuit and appeals court cases, not some rogue hillbilly judge who doesn't know the law.

You misread my post in your zeal, I think. I said the cases were flawed, and that the so-called sovereign citizens in question hadn't done their homework. By those statements the reader was meant to draw the inference that the former was caused by the latter, not because some neccessarily backwater or beholden judge gave a perfectly good case unfair ruling. That last was your invention, and it was incorrect. But as always, thanks for the attitude and the inbred "Everybody knows [insert cliche'd lie here]" argument, it's always appreciated.

As far as I know the US Supreme Court has not seen fit to examine such fine legal arguments as "well, the flag has fringe on it, therefore this is a court of admiralty!"

Believe it or not, not every law of the land is created by the Supreme Court. Some of it is actually written in the form of statutes and legislation. Here are a few links to research and raw law regarding gold fringe and admiralty. Can you cite law back to refute it?

Why is there fringe around the flag?
Foundation 5 Newsletter (.zip format)
Examination of admiralty jurisdiction as relevant to this

because of course you don't have to be a citizen of a country to be bound by their laws

No, but you do have to be within that country to be. The several States are not in the United States, as counterintuitive as that first seems, since the land was not ceded to the federal government upon the formation of the United States. Rather, the federal government was given jurisdiction over certain highly limited matters. It is supreme within its own bailiwick, as it should be. In all other matters, the several States are supreme, as they hold ownership of the land itself.

Would that be "obscure fine points" such as the crystal clear regulations of what constitutes an US citizen

Those are, if anything, intentionally obscure and obscured, as more than cursory reading of the alleged Fourteenth Amendment shows.

laws apply to EVERYONE, citizen or not -- whether you volunteer to recognize them or not!

I live in California. Does Japanese law apply to me? Likewise, in matters beyond the limited scope of federal jurisdiction, does federal law constrain me? Not at all.

Of course. Why didn't I think of that before.

The states as you know them are federal zones. As bits of the federal government, they're obliged not to say anything that would hurt it. You don't hear anything about it because you don't look for it.

http://republic-of-texas.org/

http://www.state-citizen.org/bbs.html


There are more links on my page to write-ups and source material.