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As to the Harry Browne stats, I've been using ABCNews poll reports, which only give stats by county for Bush, Gore, Nader, and Buchanan, and the state senate seats. The Florida Department of Elections has results here, but I'm still waiting for it to load so I don't know if it has the info you want.

The grounds for contesting an election under this section are:

(a) Misconduct, fraud, or corruption on the part of any election official or any member of the canvassing board sufficient to change or place in doubt the result of the election.

(b) Ineligibility of the successful candidate for the nomination or office in dispute.

(c) Receipt of a number of illegal votes or rejection of a number of legal votes sufficient to change or place in doubt the result of the election.

Found at The Florida Election Commission. (sorry, a direct link is impossible)

The fundamental legal question is "was the will of the people thwarted?" And there is little doubt that it was in this case.

See: http://enight.dos.state .fl.us /report.asp?Date=001107 (click on President/Vice President in the left frame, then click on President/Vice President at the top center..)

This is county-by-county ballot counts for the State of Florida.

Pat Buchanan received a total of 16,989 votes in the entire state.

Buchanan's highest vote total was Palm Beach with 3,407 votes.

Buchanan's *next* highest was 1,012 in Pinellas.

Buchanan's **next** highest vote total was 845 in Hillsborough county.

In other words (or numbers..) Buchanan received 3.36 times more votes in Palm Beach than in his next highest county.

Another way to look at it is to see that in Palm Beach, Buchanan received 61% of the vote cast for Nader.

In Pinellas, Buchanan got 10% of Nader's vote; in Hillsborough Buchanan got 11.3%. That was the general relationship between ballots cast for Nader vs ballots cast for Buchanan.

Another approach is to see that Buchanan received 20.05% of all votes cast for him in one county: Palm Beach.

Now, having said all that, I've looked at the ballot examples and in MNSHO you'd have to be pretty fsck'ing stupid to screw that one up...

...but, as everyone but the Libertarians know, there's a helluva lot of stupid people out there.

t_t_b
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I think not; therefore I ain't®

Today, according to Florida Department of Elections web site, a recount is indicated, but last night when I was there, a RUNOFF was indicated, not just a recount. What's going on here? Does anyone know the *real* rules in Florida? If it's just a recount, why did the Brother Jeb's Florida Department of Elections web site indicate a RUNOFF and then change it's mind (and text on the web site) very early this morning?

See: http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/report.asp?Date=0011 07 (click on President/Vice President in the left frame..)

This is county-by-county ballot counts for the State of Florida.

Pat Buchanan received a total of 16,989 votes in the entire state.

Buchanan's highest vote total was Palm Beach with 3,407 votes.

Buchanan's *next* highest was 1,012 in Pinellas.

Buchanan's **next** highest vote total was 845 in Hillsborough county.

In other words (or numbers..) Buchanan received 3.36 times more votes in Palm Beach than in his next highest county.

Another way to look at it is to see that in Palm Beach, Buchanan received 61% of the vote cast for Nader.

In Pinellas, Buchanan got 10% of Nader's vote; in Hillsborough Buchanan got 11.3%.

Another approach is to see that Buchanan received 20.05% of all votes cast for him in one county: Palm Beach.

Now, having said all that, I've looked at the ballot examples and in MNSHO you'd have to be pretty fsck'ing stupid to screw that one up...

...but, as everyone but the Libertarians know, there's a helluva lot of stupid people out there.

t_t_b
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I think not; therefore I ain't®

For a picture of the ballot see this this site. The statue clearly states (emphasis added)

... then the elector shall, without leaving the polling place, retire alone to a booth or compartment provided, and place an "X" mark after the name of the candidate of his or her choice for each office to be filled, and likewise mark an "X" after the answer he or she desires in case of a constitutional amendment or other question submitted to a vote.

If this isn't enough to call to question the vote I don't know what would be.

--Karl

Here's the Florida Election Commision Website. It's slashdotted.

Nothin' in the Constitution for it, but based on what I saw in the vice-presidential debate, I wouldn't complain. Nor, would I expect, would most voters. But the Constitution doesn't provide for it, so 'nuff said.

Re: Florida remaining in Bush hands due to .mil votes.

Nobody knows. Military folks are likely to go Bush (unless the exit polls say otherwise). But rumors of 3500 ballots found in a church in a predominantly-black precinct, could swing it back to Gore. (Assume 3500 votes split 70/30 Gore/Bush, as seems to be the norm in poor counties - that's back to within a hair of the ~1200-vote margin of "victory").

Finally, a "faithless elector" or two could throw us into a constitutional crisis, which might be resolved with the House picking Bush for prez, and the Senate picking Lieberman for VP. (This would be truly unprecedented, but if the two campaigns didn't hate each other so much, it would be an act of political brilliance on the part of both sides if they were to negotiate such a deal amongst each other. Won't happen, though. OTOH, how many other "this can never happen" things did we see last night? One thing's for sure, it'd force some reform of the laws governing electors, and that'd be a Good Thing no matter who won.)

Bottom line - we have no idea who's gonna be Prez, and we probably won't know until Thursday (!), according to the Florida Department of State webiste (currently slashdotted, but if you reload a few times, you can get in).

But in terms of who really won (if you factor in the "ambiguous ballot theory" espoused by the Dems, and the very real possibility of ballot-stuffing by overzealous partisans on either side), we will probably never know.

I didn't see it in the comments, so here's the direct link to the F lorida election results from their Department of State.

It's currently slash-nationed, I think, but it worked earlier this morning and it's what the trigger-happy media outlets were quoting as their official source at times.

I notice it's an ASP page. I hope they had installed the IIS patch for the "Web Server Folder Traversal" vulnerability.

So the election has come down to the state of Florida. For those of you who don't know, voter fraud is epidemic in Florida. Generally, it's for small-time stuff, primarily influencing the outcomes of local elections, but the state of Florida is sufficiently corrupt and lax enough in voter registration that there's an excellent chance of some fairly large-scale voter fraud taking place there.

There's an interesting little paper on voter fraud in Florida that discusses some of the weaknesses of the Florida system, including:

• Lax "Motor Voter" registration and absentee voting which allows for easy manipulation of absentee voting;
• The ability to register to vote with very minimal credentials, which hasa generated a problem with non US Citizens registering and voting in Florida;
• Vote buying
• Absentee voter assistance fraud, where a third party submits an individual's ballot for them, often without the individual knowing who was voted for (especially bad in Florida because of the high number of senior citizens).

The first time they posted the results as 100%, Bush led by 1,210 votes and at the bottom it said "Runoff Election Indicated" (I saved the page, as of about 3AM).

Now I've reloaded the official results p age again at 6AM. It's still 100% reporting. Here Bush leads by 791 votes. But more interesting (to me) is that the "Runoff Election Indicated" sentence now says:

"Recount Indicated"

So this obviously means that they're gonna do a recount. But if the recount is unsatisfactory or still very close, is there a provision within national or state (Florida) statutes to have a runoff election?

Ah, someone just sent me this link from the National Archives with the following information:

What would happen if two candidates tied in a State's popular vote, or there was a dispute as to the winner?

A tie is a statistically remote possibility even in smaller States. But if a State's popular vote were to come out as a tie between candidates, State law would govern as to what procedure would be followed in breaking the tie. A tie would not be known of until late November or early December, after a recount and after the Secretary of State had certified the election results. Federal law would allow a State to hold a run-off election.

A very close finish could also result in a run-off election or legal action to decide the winner. Under Federal law (3 U.S.C. section 5), State law governs on this issue, and would be conclusive in determining the selection of Electors. The law provides that if States have laws to determine controversies or contests as to the selection of Electors, those determinations must be completed six days prior to the day the Electors meet.

So did the appearance of "Runoff Election Indicated" on the official Fl. Secretary of State website indicate a possible runoff? Is this allowable under Florida statutes (btw, I'm browsing through them now but can't find any pertinent information. But I don't think my brain can handle legislative jargon at 6:20am.

But if there's nothing that doesn't allow it, I think it's very possible that Florida might have a run-off election, possibly between just Gore and Bush.

Which means no Nader.

Interesting.......

The first time they posted the results as 100%, Bush led by 1,210 votes and at the bottom it said "Runoff Election Indicated" (I saved the page, as of about 3AM).

Now I've reloaded the official results p age again at 6AM. It's still 100% reporting. Here Bush leads by 791 votes. But more interesting (to me) is that the "Runoff Election Indicated" sentence now says:

"Recount Indicated"

So this obviously means that they're gonna do a recount. But if the recount is unsatisfactory or still very close, is there a provision within national or state (Florida) statutes to have a runoff election?

Ah, someone just sent me this link from the National Archives with the following information:

What would happen if two candidates tied in a State's popular vote, or there was a dispute as to the winner?

A tie is a statistically remote possibility even in smaller States. But if a State's popular vote were to come out as a tie between candidates, State law would govern as to what procedure would be followed in breaking the tie. A tie would not be known of until late November or early December, after a recount and after the Secretary of State had certified the election results. Federal law would allow a State to hold a run-off election.

A very close finish could also result in a run-off election or legal action to decide the winner. Under Federal law (3 U.S.C. section 5), State law governs on this issue, and would be conclusive in determining the selection of Electors. The law provides that if States have laws to determine controversies or contests as to the selection of Electors, those determinations must be completed six days prior to the day the Electors meet.

So did the appearance of "Runoff Election Indicated" on the official Fl. Secretary of State website indicate a possible runoff? Is this allowable under Florida statutes (btw, I'm browsing through them now but can't find any pertinent information. But I don't think my brain can handle legislative jargon at 6:20am.

But if there's nothing that doesn't allow it, I think it's very possible that Florida might have a run-off election, possibly between just Gore and Bush.

Which means no Nader.

Interesting.......

What's interesting here is just how far behind the Networks are in their reporting.

Florida's Elections Department has a website (Running IIS/MSSQL - Evidently being constantly rebooted by the number of SQL Server Unavailable Messages I'm getting) reporting up-to-date statistics. The Networks are at times 30-45 minutes behind these statistics. As I was watching CNN, and they were declaring George W. the winner, I was dumbfounded as I looked at the statistics showing George W. only 580 votes ahead. My girlfriend and I were screaming at the TV in vain as CNN reported George W. was preparing his concession speech. The Internet has finally surpassed the cable news networks in speed to deliver breaking news.

"Runoff Election indicated"

Does this mean recount, as every news organization has reported? Or do they truly mean a real run-off election? If so, the Nader voters will most likely swing for Gore. I can't imagine a run-off truly happening, though.

Chris

Yhcrana

Here is the actual Florida statues:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_ mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0103/titl0103 .htm&StatuteYear=2000&Title=%2D%3E2000%2D%3EChapte r%20103

Link

Cite anything interesting under this thread.

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Evan

Note the last line:

Runoff election indicated

Runoff? Is this correct?

And the final results state:

Bush: 2,904,198
Gore: 2,902,988
Nader: 94,368

But this is without recounts. Which is what they're doing in Dade County as we speak.

The florida results are available here for anyone who wants the best up to the minute numbers since Florida is the only thing that matters now. Good luck getting through though :)

T he page to watch. As of 3:53 AM the difference is back up to 2,210 votes:

Bush 2,904,198 (20 minutes ago: 2,898,864)
Gore 2,902,988 (20 minutes ago: 2,898,235)

99.9% counted

Wasn't there a story yesterday about how there would be no meltdowns this election night?

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us /re port.asp?Date=001107

HTTP/1.1 Server Too Busy

I wonder what the httpd is?

this is where the OFFICIAL RESULTS are coming from and it's the website that NBC is referring to. but it's getting HAMMERED right now. it's crazy. tom brokaw isn't lying. only about 600 votes.

and the main results page is at http://enight.dos.state .fl .us/001107RACES.ASP?DATE=001107

sorry about the quick incoherent post. but this is just....insane. god bless america. :)

this is where the OFFICIAL RESULTS are coming from and it's the website that NBC is referring to. but it's getting HAMMERED right now. it's crazy. tom brokaw isn't lying. only about 600 votes.

and the main results page is at http://enight.dos.state .fl .us/001107RACES.ASP?DATE=001107

sorry about the quick incoherent post. but this is just....insane. god bless america. :)

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Governor Jeb Bush State Capitol Tallahassee, Florida 32399 United States of America phone 1-850-488-4441, fax 1-850-487-0801 e-mail page http://www.state.fl.us/eog/govmailform. html webpage http://fcn.state.fl.us/gsd/

Governor Roy Barnes State Capitol Building, Room 203 Atlanta, Georgia 30334 United States of America phone 1-404-656-1776, fax 1-404-657-7332 e-mail governor@gov.state.ga.us webpage http://www.state.ga.us/

Governor Benjamin Cayetano State Capitol, Executive Chambers Honolulu, Hawaii 96813 United States of America phone 1-808-586-0034, fax 1-808-586-0006 e-mail gov@gov.state.hi.us webpage http://gov.state.hi.us

Governor Dirk Kempthorne State Capitol PO Box 83720, 700 West Jefferson, Fl. 2 Boise, Idaho 83720-0034 United States of America phone 1-208-334-2100, fax 1-208-334-2175 e-mail governor@gov.state.id.us webpage http://www.state.id.us/gov/govhmpg.htm

Governor George Ryan 207 Statehouse Springfield, Illinois 62706 United States of America phone 1-217-782-0244, fax 1-217-524-4049 e-mail governor@state.il.us webpage http://www.state.il.us/gov/

Governor Frank O'Bannon Statehouse, Rm. 206 Indianapolis, Indiana 46204 United States of America phone 1-317-232-4567, fax 1-317-232-3443 e-mail page http://www.ai.org/gov/gov_mail.html webpage http://www.ai.org/gov/index.html

Governor Thomas Vilsack State Capitol Des Moines, Iowa 50319 United States of America phone 1-515-281-5211, fax 1-515-281-6611 e-mail general.office@igov.state.ia.us webpage http://www.iowaccess.org/

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Governor Paul Patton State Capitol, 700 Capitol Ave. Frankfort, Kentucky 40601 United States of America phone 1-502-564-2611, fax 1-502-564-2517 e-mail governor@mail.state.ky.us webpage http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/go v/govmenu6.htm

Governor Murphy Foster, Jr. State Capitol, P.O. Box 94004 Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70804 United States of America phone 1-504-342-7015, fax 1-504-342-7099 e-mail page http://www.gov.state.la.us/governo r/contact2.htm webpage http://www.gov.state.la.us/

Governor Angus King, Jr. State House Station 1 Augusta, Maine 04333 United States of America phone 1-207-287-3531, fax 1-207-287-1034 e-mail page http://janus.state.me.us/govoffice/ gov_form.htm webpage http://janus.state.me.us/govoffice/ homepage.htm

Governor Parris Glendening State House Annapolis, Maryland 21401 United States of America phone 1-410-974-3901, fax 1-410-974-3275 e-mail governor@gov.state.md.us webpage http://www.gov.state.md.us/

Governor Paul Cellucci State House, Room 360 Boston, Massachusetts 02133 United States of America phone 1-617-727-6250, fax 1-617-727-9725 e-mail goffice@state.ma.us webpage http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/gov/gov.htm

Governor John Engler State Capitol, PO Box 30013 Lansing, Michigan 48909 United States of America phone 1-517-335-7858, fax 1-517-335-6863 email page http://www.state.mi.us/MIGOV/ gov/ContactGovernor.shtm webpage http://www.state.mi.us/migov/

Governor Jesse Ventura 130 State Capitol, 75 Constitution Avenue St. Paul, Minnesota 55155 United States of America phone 1-651-296-3391, fax 1-651-296-2089 e-mail Governor.JesseVentura@state.mn.us webpage http://www.mainserver.state.mn.us/gover nor/

Governor Kirk Fordice P.O. Box 139 Jackson, Mississippi 39205 United States of America phone 1-601-737-9540, fax 1-601-737-9507 e-mail governor@govoff.state.ms.us webpage http://www.state.ms.us/

Governor Mel Carnahan Missouri Capitol Building, P.O. Box 720 Jefferson City, Missouri 65102-0720 United States of America phone 1-573-751-3222, fax 1-573-751-1495 e-mail page http://www.gov.state.mo.us/guest.htm webpage http://www.gov.state.mo.us/

Governor Marc Racicot State Capitol Helena, Montana 59620 United States of America webpage http://www.mt.gov/governor/governor.htm

Governor Mike Johanns State Capitol, Executive Suite, PO Box 94848 Lincoln, Nebraska 68509-4848 United States of America phone 1-402-471-2244, fax 1-402-471-6031 e-mail jodee@mail.state.ne.us webpage http://www.state.ne.us/

Governor Kenny Guinn State Capitol Carson City, Nevada 89710 United States of America phone 1-702-687-5670, fax 1-702-687-4486 webpage http://www.state.nv.us/

Governor Jeanne Shaheen State House Concord, New Hampshire 03301-4990 United States of America phone 1-603-271-2121, fax 1-603-271-2130 e-mail nhgov@nh.com webpage http://www.state.nh.us/

Governor Christine Todd Whitman Office of the Governor State House, 125 West State St., CN-001 Trenton, New Jersey 08625-0001 United States of America phone 1-609-292-6000, fax 1-609-292-5212 e-mail page http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail .htm webpage http://www.state.nj.us/governor/officeo .htm

Governor Gary Johnson State Capitol Santa Fe, New Mexico 87503 United States of America phone 1-505-827-3000, fax 1-505-827-3026 e-mail gov@gov.state.nm.us webpage http://www.state.nm.us/

Governor George Pataki State Capitol Albany, New York 12224 United States of America phone 1-518-474-8390, fax 1-518-474-1513 e-mail gov.pataki@chamber.state.ny.us webpage http://www.state.ny.us/governor

Governor James Hunt, Jr. State Capitol Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 United States of America phone 1-919-733-4240, fax 1-919-733-2120 webpage http://www.sips.state.nc.us/

Governor Edward Schafer 600 E. Blvd, State Capitol, Fl. 1 Bismark, North Dakota 58505 United States of America phone 1-701-328-2200, fax 1-701-328-2205 webpage http://www.ehs.health.stat e.nd.us/gov/governor/index.htm

Governor Bob Taft State House Columbus, Ohio 43215 United States of America phone 1-614-466-3555, 1-614-466-9354 webpage http://www.state.oh.us/gov/

Governor Frank Keating State Capitol Bldg., Rm. 212 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73105 United States of America phone 1-405-521-2342, fax 1-405-521-3353 e-mail governor@oklaosf.state.ok.us webpage http://www.state.ok.us/

Governor John Kitzhaber State Capitol Salem, Oregon 97310 United States of America phone 1-503-378-4582, fax 1-503-378-4863 webpage http://www.governor.state.or.us/

Governor Tom Ridge 225 Main Capitol Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17120 United States of America phone 1-717-787-2500, fax 1-717-772-8284 e-mail governor@state.pa.us webpage http://www.state.pa.us/PA_Exe c/Governor/overview.html

Governor of the Commonwealth Commonwealth of Puerto Rico San Juan, Puerto Rico 00936 United States of America webpage http://fortaleza.govpr.org

Governor Lincoln Almond State House Providence, Rhode Island 02903 United States of America phone 1-401-277-2080, fax 1-401-273-5729 webpage http://www.doa.state.ri.us/info/exec.htm

Governor James Hodges State House, PO Box 11369 Columbia, South Carolina 29211 United States of America phone 1-803-737-9540, fax 1-803-737-9507 webpage http://www.state.sc.us/

Governor William Janklow State Capitol, 500 East Capitol Ave Pierre, South Dakota 57501-5070 United States of America phone 1-605-773-3212, fax 1-605-773-5844 e-mail sdgov@gov.state.sd.us webpage http://www.state.sd.us /state/executive/governor/governor.htm

Governor Don Sundquist State Capitol Nashville, Tennessee 37243 United States of America phone 1-615-741-2001, fax 1-615-532-9711 e-mail dsundquist@mail.state.tn.us webpage http://www.state.tn.us/governor/

Governor George W. Bush State Capitol, P.O. Box 12428 Austin, Texas 78711 United States of America phone 1-512-463-2000, fax 1-512-463-1849 webpage http://www.governor.state.tx.us/

Governor Michael Leavitt 210 State Capitol Salt Lake City, Utah 84114 United States of America phone 1-801-538-1000, fax 1-801-538-1528 e-mail governor@state.ut.us webpage http://www.governor.state.ut.us/

Governor Howard Dean 109 State St. Montpelier, Vermont 05609 United States of America phone 1-802-828-3333, fax 1-802-828-3339 e-mail governor@state.vt.us webpage http://www.state.vt.us/

Governor Jim Gilmore State Capitol Richmond, Virginia 23219 United States of America phone 1-804-786-2211, fax 1-804-371-6351 e-mail page http://www.state.va.us/governor/govmail .htm webpage http://www.state.va.us/governor/

Governor Gary Locke State Capitol, P.O. Box 40002 Olympia, Washington 98504-0002 United States of America phone 1-360-902-4111, fax 1-360-753-4110 e-mail governor.locke@governor.wa.gov webpage http://www.wa.gov/governor

Governor Cecil Underwood State Capitol Charleston, West Virginia 25305 United States of America phone 1-304-558-2000, fax 1-304-342-7025 e-mail governor@state.wv.us webpage http://www.state.wi.us/governor/default .htm

Governor Tommy Thompson State Capitol, Room 115 East Madison, Wisconsin 53707 United States of America phone 1-608-266-1212, fax 1-608-267-8983 e-mail wisgov@mail.state.wi.us webpage http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/

Governor Jim Geringer State Capitol Cheyenne, Wyoming 82002 United States of America phone 1-307-777-7434, fax 1-307-632-3909 e-mail governor@missc.state.wy.us webpage http://www.state.wy.us/gove rnor/text_governor_home.html

...electronic voting is a really difficult thing to pull off. Having been, in the past, the primary consultant with the Florida Department of State, Division of Elections, for their electronic voting tests and election-night return systems, I have been exposed to the wild fluctuations in traffic these sites are exposed to. The sites are hit by huge numbers...and the staff within the state agencies tend to be among the least-qualified to administer the technology capable of handling the traffic. The states act as though they are capable of monitoring their elections, but the amount of reliance that they must place on their consultants makes this task impossible for them to successfully complete. Their level of technical competence is just not up to the task.

I believe that there must be some amount of trial and error involved in putting together a successful online voting application. Some sites and some elections are going to be corrupted, and some bad things are going to happen. If the process can get through such an ordeal, we may one day have a workable voting system. The states will have to change their hiring procedures and pay scales before anything of the sort will ever be possible.

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