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Re:Object Pascal and C
For Delphi (since we're on the subject of Pascal/Object Pascal):
TORRY'S DELPHI PAGES:
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DELPH SUPER PAGE:
Those are my favs, & have a great deal of prebuilt 3rd party FREE
.VCL that work, generally excellently (some even with sourcecode), & a fantastic degree of code examples + advisement/help pages too!APK
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Another vote for Delphi
Since I just ran out of mod points, I'll post instead.
Delphi's based on Turbo Pascal so should be easy enough to learn quickly, GUI design also extremley simple point-and-drool. IIRC, it also comes with sources for the default component library. I'm not sure if you realy need that, but in any case that's a plus. There are also tons of additional componens which might be just right for your job, often free as in beer or speech. Have a look at Torry's Delphi pages, lots of stuff there, including components and tools. -
Delphi
I'll second Delphi. It uses an OO form of the Pascal language, which might be a problem for some, but I'd take pascal any day compared to basic. Also, Delphi is every bit as easy to use as VB.
I used Delphi at a co-op job for six quarters, and it just plain made me feel powerful. I could throw together a nice GUI in minutes, and then "wire up" the events to real code after getting approval from the people who would be using the program. By the time I was done, i'd have a nice professional-looking app that was only about 700K, didn't need any funny DLL files, and was made out of nice strongly-typed OO code, and took advantage of the huge selection of freeware widgets on sites like http://www.torry.net/
Delphi is the perfect language for writing fast windows apps. Its also perfect for database access, and with the right packages, can be perfect for lots of other tasks, like serial port access. (and what I mean by that is that you can go fumbling around with the Windows Serial port API, or you can get a nice I/O package for Delphi and just drag/drop some components that give you nice events to play with.)
To top it off, if you look at the assembly generated by the compiler, its really pretty good. You might say it's equivalent to -O1 on C code, and thanks to its single-pass compiler, it compiles 10x as fast, so there's basically no wait. -
Re:This is why I use Windows
"Everybody here forgot that KDE is made with the help of mainly unpaid and anonymous contributors? Didn't anyone take account of the fact that KDE e.V. is more like a charity that like an enterprise? Did anyone know that the amount of money directly collected by either the kjs or the konqueror teams from selling their products amounts to zero?" - by alx5000 (896642) on Sunday January 22, @10:16PM
I really LIKE KDE (older 2.2 series models really based on looks, I know, shallow but that's me)...
Also, I NEVER forgot that KDE is a voluntary effort & a fine one (runs on more than just Linux too) - but, since it is freely distributed, it doesn't have the potential liabilities Windows or other commercial wares do (and, believe you me, they do - especially when millions may be riding on on your OS & its shell and if some bug is exposed & isn't fixed properly & someone loses their data to it? You can/could be liable!).
Plus, I hate to tell you this? Labors of love generally (since they don't pay the bills) don't get as much TIME put into them... unless it's done by someone independently wealthy, or puts aside the other things in life to see it thru (yes, there are folks like those on BOTH accounts).
I get more into that 2nd/latter point, below, about monetary incentive, because face it man - Windows costs, Linux does not: Sense says Linux should have SMOKED Windows years ago, so... why hasn't it? Well, read on for a theory... one based on facts!
That's the point I was trying to make above, as to WHY Ms first gives you work-arounds for security or other bugs when they come up... they cannot afford to RUSH job it!
(And, as far as workarounds? Usually there is those due to its called libs/dlls model, you can unregister the affected one & be safe against the hack present in it as was the case with the .wmf error - which WAS patched ahead of the 'Patch Tuesday' schedule by MS, and even others!)
Commercial developers and software publishing houses/OEMS have to take their time, TEST A TON as well, then finally implement... as well as publicly document the issue, possible workarounds, & also go thru TONS of red-tape in processes of development for any wares they do (like SourceCode tools like VSS, procedures for altering DB's & being able to track it as I noted above I have to deal in, makes tasks that would take me literally seconds, into hours/days long, coming from end users thru the helpdesk finally to me & THEN, I have to (for example) T-SQL script a table or stored-procedure change, rather than directly operate on either - in the long haul, this works out for the best, this type of process... MS & their coders probably deal in 10x as much if not more than I do, because they are larger & doubtless have more bureaucracy).
"You Windows weenies will have a point against gratis and free software as soon as M$ stops charging for their products and support." - by alx5000 (896642) on Sunday January 22, @10:16PM
Untrue, if it's GOOD? It's GOOD! I've built wares over time I gave away online that went up to the TOP 10 of 1000's @ spots like CNET, ZDNET, & even programmer's websites being rated their topmost rating of "HOT" to this very day (that site's hosted by BORLAND no less, & is about the FASTEST performing & build time language/tool there in in Delphi, proven to blow away even MSVC++ in math & strings work by double in "Visual Basic Programmer's Journal" issue Sept./Oct. 1997, where it did so vs. MSVC++ & VB5 (which has a C++ compiler basically in it) & it has done so in most every test since then as well online afaik & have seen - big fan of it here, but work commercial with Visual Studio 2005 mostly):
http://torry.net/authorsmore.php?id=1781
I gave them away when they were "famous" (mid 90's to 2003 when I did my last builds) & still do (asking for donations in some over time, selling the source to commercial ent -
Re:In other news Want past "Warp EAL4" security?
"here's someone that's never programmed Windows." - by sqlrob (173498) on Friday December 16, @07:50AM
What makes you think the Win32 API (& yes, even the "native real/kernel mode" of NT-based OS) isn't well documented?
See, thing is, because of that statement of yours?
Every compiler I use nowadays & for years now comes with Win32 API documentation, & the MS DDK gives you a TON on native/real/kernel mode, as well as sites like sysinternals.com!
I've been doing EXACTLY that & for over 12-13 years now as a pro!
(& also before that for another 2-3 years in academia & on my own in the shareware/freeware world as well!)
APK
P.S.=> As to my not programming? Well, check here, ok:
http://www.torry.net/quicksearchd.php?String=APK&T itle=Yes
That's only 1 example & the last program listed there got their HIGHEST rating...
(By the way - That's also a rating from my peers (Borland Delphi coders, since that site is also mirrored/hosted @ Borland as well & the site owners are coders also))... apk -
Re:That's pretty rich
"What idiots like you dont understand is that the software you _PAY_ for, has equivelents that are just as good, or better, for free" - by bigdickbrian (841966) on Friday October 14, @08:49AM
Oh really? I don't suppose it's your fault, but I have been writing freewares since 1994 online... & afaik, unless you can correct me on that??
Even before the "open-source" movement gained the momentum it has today, buddy!
(You're 'preaching to the choir' here - I've been one of the folks that came into this field in the early 90's with PC's & did pretty well online with wares I put out over time, making trade mags & doing well @ numerous sites (some even hosted by programmers such as Torry's Delphi pages (which is hosted @ Borland no less) & got my wares rated the HIGHEST rating possible there... judged by my peers, not tech editors &/or end-users only... & therein lies a difference, bigtime, in my professional experience as to who does the rating))
Need proof? Search my initials on this page:
http://www.torry.net/quicksearchd.php?String=APK&T itle=Yes
(You talk a good game, but what have YOU done yourself of that nature? And, if you have, did it rate "HOT" (top-rating) by the viewpoint of other coders as my work did @ a site hosted by BORLAND ITSELF??)
I'd like to hear your answer to THAT question... I have a strange feeling you won't have any results, but congrats if you do (unlikely).
Also - I tend to agree, that it's nice the fact there is alternatives to MS apps (Opera is one I admire & use extensively as well as respect its originality & speed + efficiency of design), but the only REAL problem I see in them?
Is the fact that when you get out there in the working world, it's a Microsoft one... NOT "open source" a good 90-95% of the time.
That last point's about something you can put on your resume, to aid in employability. Something you have to think about, like it or not, imo.
E.G.=> I love BORLAND development tools (Delphi &/or C++ Builder) but, what's out there & in demand? MICROSOFT! Whether I like it or not... & besides, what I see in (e.g.) VB 6.0 for example?? Borland technology/ideas... makes sense, because Anders Hejlsberg came from BORLAND to MICROSOFT & is leading the charge on several technologies of theirs (C#, .NET, & Visual Studio, as well as LINQ & more + is a 'distinguished engineer' of theirs, & only 16 others hold that title @ MS afaik).
Calling me an idiot? Beg to differ - especially on THIS point of yours:
"Programability of Word/Excel? LMFAO! WTF is wrong with you?" - by bigdickbrian (841966) on Friday October 14, @08:49AM
Nothing, if making money @ it (in part, I generally code VB, Delphi, & C++ Builder) is any gauge!
You'd be surprised, for instance, as to what Access can do (not on just JET alone, but via RDO/ADO, etc.)!
It can link into things like stored procedures just like VB can & make the 'client backend' lighter, faster, & more secure (by removing business logic from it) than typical smaller "departmental level apps" are...
You sure you know who you were talking to, calling me names, & perhaps not having as much of a "pot to piss in" (or about) as I do in this field??
APK
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Re:What is the difference...
"... between useless karma points and useless ratings on ZDNet?" - by StarKruzr (74642) on Friday September 16, @05:48AM
ZDNet, CNET, Torry's Delphi pages are all very well known sites.
http://www.torry.net/pages.php?id=583
(2nd product down, the one you put down, seemed to have gotten their TOP RATING of "HOT" years ago, in far older versions than the current model I supplied you a link to no less)
Especially Torry's Delphi pages!
Where there, & amongst my peers - Delphi Programmers (novice & professional alike), since it is hosted by BORLAND itself, and its ratings are given by it's hosts who are in fact, professional coders in that language, I did VERY well... as good as you can in fact.
Also the fact that website for Delphi coders was cited year in/year out by "Delphi Informant Magazine" as one of the top 2 sites there was for that programming language, often sharing the topspot with Delphi SuperPage
So, ok: My wares @ them, @ EACH OF THEM, always got the topmost ratings possible.
The QUESTION I ASKED YOU, AGAIN, ANSWER IT:
What have you done that myself or others can see, read, or use online that was rated well by others or a jury of our peers in this field (computer scientists of varying types, professionals etc.)?
(You don't have 1 single thing to your credit. I gave you 3 decent ones I had, but they only needles in my haystack of them. They were enough it appeared.)
However, myself by comparison, & the sites I mentioned where I did well?
(Like Torry's Delphi pages especially rating my work you tried to put down their TOPMOST rating which I am especially proud of)
Also, the pages of Windows IT Pro magazine April 1997 "Back Office Performance" issue page 61 (for professional development work for a company on paid contract improving their well rated ware SuperCache by up to 40% in fact) was also what led to the 3rd merit I pointed out:
http://www.functional-it.com/ramdisk.htm#t6
That very research for them, took EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com to a finalist placement 2 years in a row @ Microsoft Tech-Ed 2000 & 2001 iirc...
Have you done such things?
NO.... You could NOT show me 1 even.
Those sites and magazines, like this site, are for technical achievement &/or technical news in THIS field, computer science (whereas this site covers MORE than that, but often has computer related news)...
Above all:
"Karma Points" aren't about technical achievement at all, I read about them. All you have to do pretty much is just show up & post here.
So, how when you started this with me, I was modded up +4 for "Interesting/Informative", whereas you, in your outright attack on me for NO REASON, were modded down -1... being modded up for THAT is worth (imo @ least & I am sure most others) a hell of a lot more than "karma points"... lol! No doubt of that.
See, your precious "Karma Points" aren't about technical merit, & this site's about technical achievements in various fields imo/iirc.
"Hey, what kind of English is this? "You just need to grow up, & learn 1 thing: "Brick not hit back" but, apk do!" - by StarKruzr (74642) on Friday September 16, @05:48AM
It's a quote from both a Bruce Lee Film, & from a Jean Claude VanDamme film... you must not be into martial arts onscreen since you are unaware of that.
(Resorting to the last stand of the 'defeated' eh? OR trying to, but not realizing I had the quotation RIGHT no less, in spell/grammar checking??)
Yup, between THAT & your profanity directed my way numerous times in this exchange/discussion where you attacked me first no less & were modded down -1 for it?
Speaks for itself. Calling me retard, imbecile, & more... well, if I am those things, and yet can prove and show I have achieved FAR MORE in this field than you have?
What does that mak -
Re:Slashdot ate your subject line. I eat Phd's...
3 enumerated points, vs. your own:
(With verifiable examples (one even from professional on the job experience, what the hell, so you know what I am talking about with names & companies you can call & ask about exactly what I cite in fact vs. PhD's & such)):
As far as this statement by you:
"None of that was peer-reviewed" - by StarKruzr (74642) on Thursday September 15, @01:36AM
1.) Oh, really? The Windows IT Pro Magazine article about SuperDisk &/or SuperCache (which I improved by 40% on the latter on paid contract to do so once prototype work was done & 110%, & helped them realize how to use the former TO MAXIMUM ADVANTAGE in dataprocessing, for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com, to make it to Microsoft Tech-Ed 2000 & 2001 iirc, as a finalist in the HARDEST CATEGORY THERE, 2 years in a row?)??
I'd call that "peer review" my boy, professionally & in publication, ESPECIALLY THAT PUBLICATION, which is (in case you haven't known this, a widely known one in this very field)...
Great review there for wares I worked on & improved up to 40% in one, & using the other to take that company thru ideas I wrote up for them to a finalist position two years in a row in SQLServer Performance Enhancement (the hardest category @ Microsoft's OWN "Tech-Ed").
Both @ a programming level, for quality, & also @ an IT/IS/MIS level on how to use their programs to increase the speed & efficiency of SQL Server & other backend industrial strength grade DB engines.
Now, in addition to that? Their own technical editor, a Mr. John Enck, was featured on that companies' website for a decade beside myself... but was it HIS theories that took them to Ms' Tech-Ed 2000 & 2001 finalist placement in said hardest category? NO... mine did, right here, as to how to use one of their tools to MAXIMUM ADVANTAGE, & in the very field I make a living in (Databasing/dataprocessing, the bread & butter end of this field where there is always work):
http://www.functional-it.com/ramdisk.htm#t6
(Once more, for you: Talk's cheap... Have you done the same? NO!)
Kid, not only am I a programmer/software engineer/analyst (whatever title you wish to assign, I have held them all) but also Tech/Team Lead, Project Lead (currently), & have been a Network Tech/Administrator over the years as well. In this field, you wear many hats. Especially professionally from 1994-2005 in my case (doing ALL of those, coding's been since 1996 as a pro).
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2.) The review of my apps @ Torry's Delphi pages, a site which is also hosted @ BORLAND no less & has been REPEATEDLY CITED by publications (such as Delphi Informant) as a TOP Delphi coders page?
Who do you think does the ratings there??
http://www.torry.net/pages.php?id=583
(2nd product down, the one you put down, seemed to have gotten their TOP RATING of "HOT" years ago, in far older versions than the current model I supplied you a link to no less)
Programmers who host the site... they are pros, write & ask them, yourself. In fact, ask for Maxim Peresada, ok?
Please, do so.
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(So much for those comments by you to me - you with NO professional experience no less, especially after your initial post to me insulting me here no less which I cite below in my P.S., now, here is the one YOU want to see most no doubt, ok? Get ready, put on your mental seatbelts, you'll NEED them).
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"You don't "eat full Ph.D.s for lunch." Your employers tolerate you because you're an experienced programmer for the work you're doing. The people you "destroy" either get angry at your foolishness or sit there and roll their eyes at you, perhaps pausing to check their watches to see how long you can rant." - by StarKruzr (74642) on Thursday September 15, @01:36AM
3.) Ahem - First of all, either you SKIM badly, OR perhaps not your f -
READ THIS and call me "retard" ok? ALL TAKE A READ
"(Hint: Comments on ZDNet do not a high-quality piece of software make)" - by StarKruzr (74642) on Thursday September 15, @12:01AM
No, maybe not, since YOU (with no visible accomplishments to your credit we can see/verify in this field no less) say so... just like you speak for ALL OF SLASHDOT below which I note in my p.s., but, we can get back to THAT point, later.
HOWEVER, above all?
The 5 of 5 star rating my wares got @ ZDNet &/or CNET circa 2000-2002? That's FAR more than you have that you can show us that YOU have done w/in this field, now isn't it?
YES, or NO??
BUT, I guess that's NOT enough for you... and, as usual, you'll 'evade' that like a coward. You've proved that to us here already.
OK, then fine! We know you're a coward, big talker/blowhard (& probably also a COMPLETE liar about being a doctoral student as well no doubt).
So... since you say that's "not good enough"? WELL, read on McDuff:
Let's "rehash" some of what I wrote you earlier, which you evade to NO end like a coward (since I asked what you had done better since you called me an imbecile, and started this all out saying I didnt know my ass from my elbow, almost verbatim on that at this URL next):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&cid=135 32123
So, now here in this reply? WELL, You asked for data from publication I have been involved in?
Sure, no problem!
Here tis, for a company called EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com, no less, whom folks @ these forums will NO DOUBT be aware of:
"Windows IT Pro" magazine issue April 1997, entitled "Back Office Performance" pg. 61 for the products SuperCache & SuperDisk (on paid contract for them, even later, I improved the primary program up to 40% in efficiency & speed) rated EXCELLENTLY, no less, back as far as 1997!
Now, in addition to that?
Their own technical editor, a Mr. John Enck, was featured on that companies' website for a decade beside myself...
But, was it HIS theories that took them to Ms' Tech-Ed 2000 & 2001 finalist placement in said hardest category? NO...
However, mine did!
Right here, as to how to use one of their tools to MAXIMUM ADVANTAGE, & in the very field I make a living in (Databasing/dataprocessing, the bread & butter end of this field where there is always work):
http://www.functional-it.com/ramdisk.htm#t6 [functional-it.com]
(Once more, for you: Talk's cheap... Have you done the same? NO!)
Want more? I can provide it!
(Because that is just a SMALL SAMPLING).
Fact is, that ramdisk article took that same company involved thru research I did for them to 2000 & 2001 Microsoft "Tech-Ed"'s finalist placement in the hardest category - SQLServer Performance Enhancement, 2 years in a row...
You STUDENT BOY? You have yet to, if ever, do such things!
QUESTION FOR YOU TO ANSWER:
So... what have YOU done, professionally, academia boy, that's better than that?
NOTHING/NADA/ZIP!
Now, how about a site that BORLAND themselves host in Torry's Delphi pages then, since ZDNet/CNET are not enough?
Where, rated by my peers in Delphi coders, my wares their TOPMOST (ratings done by programmers, not end users?) right here:
http://www.torry.net/pages.php?id=583 [torry.net]
You ever done a set of tools as large & comprehensive as my own that have done as well as they have over time @ various websites & such rating well (mainly amongst my peers @ a site that BORLAND THEMSELVES ALSO HOST, who program Borland Delphi there, receiving their TOPMOST rating, from programmers in this field who are pros no less, & not just 'student wanna bes' like yourself there)
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(2nd product down, rated "HOT" their topmost rating & the ONE THING I am proudes -
Re:You misunderstand me. No, YOU'RE JUST A STUDENT
I think you had best read this, start-to-finish, for your OWN good:
First of all, My question to you, last post? It simply went unanswered (as I knew it would):
"What have you ever written that others can use in the way of programs featured @ websites online that have done well over time?" - APK
NOTHING/NADA/ZIP - you are either lazy, or just a talker.
Now, You also stated in your replies to me that you were "intelligent"...
(Personally? I don't think so based on your over use of profanity & such as well as attacking your betters)
New News: Well, you can be the MOST intelligent person in the world, but if you are a talker & lazy? Not worth a wooden nickel.
What is the old saying? "Genius is 1% inspiration & 99% perspiration" or something like that... & talk IS cheap. Both apply to you hugely. After all, I asked you to show me something you have done others can use online... what did you show me? NOTHING.
"I am a doctoral student" - by StarKruzr (74642) on Tuesday September 13, @02:15PM
LOL, above all? You're JUST a student: ONLY A STUDENT!
Well, so you say, @ least. BUT, let's assume you are @ the levels you state. Think you get MY respect? LOL... good enough of an answer from me? Here goes, as to why:
(And, not ONLY are you JUST A STUDENT, but a typical 'thinks he knows it all arstechnica blowhard student', no less!)
Hey, I can say I am Bill Gates for all you know, couldn't I? Not that it'd matter, because deeds speak more than just words.
You do a set of tools as large & comprehensive as my own that have done as well as they have over time @ various websites & such rating well (mainly amongst my peers @ a site that BORLAND THEMSELVES ALSO HOST, who program Borland Delphi there, receiving their TOPMOST rating, from programmers in this field who are pros no less, & not just 'student wanna bes' like yourself here:
http://www.torry.net/pages.php?id=583
(2nd product down, rated "HOT" their topmost rating & the ONE THING I am proudest of, of all accomplishments that are public I have done in this field because it was rated thus by my peers... not just end-users, & there IS a difference of range of knowledge there! So, so much for your putting them down!)
Also, You do that? We'll talk then. OK?? Until then? Well, I will let others do the judging! Just as the moderators here rated my init. post here a +4 & your Mr. Phd Student, a -1... lol!
(That programs toolset is one example, along with many others as well in publications over a decade now in this field... for example, like "Windows IT Pro" magazine issue April 1997, entitled "Back Office Performance" pg. 61 for the products SuperCache & SuperDisk (on paid contract for them, even later, I improved the primary program up to 40% in efficiency & speed) rated EXCELLENTLY, no less, back as far as 1997!)
Now, in addition to that? Their own technical editor, a Mr. John Enck, was featured on that companies' website for a decade beside myself... but was it HIS theories that took them to Ms' Tech-Ed 2000 & 2001 finalist placement in said hardest category? NO... mine did, right here, as to how to use one of their tools to MAXIMUM ADVANTAGE, & in the very field I make a living in (Databasing/dataprocessing, the bread & butter end of this field where there is always work):
http://www.functional-it.com/ramdisk.htm#t6
(Once more, for you: Talk's cheap... Have you done the same? NO!)
Want more? I can provide it, because that is just a SMALL SAMPLING. That ramdisk article took that same company involved thru research I did for them to 2000 & 2001 Microsoft "Tech-Ed"'s finalist placement in the hardest category - SQLServer Performance Enhancement, 2 years in a row... you have yet to, if ever, do such things. Personally? Judging by your demeanor here? You NEVER will... mark my -
Borland...
Some of us have never given up on Pascal. I still use Delphi and Kylix to this day. Meets my needs and Pascal makes a nice OO programming language, something that dates back to Turbo Pascal 7.
There is a ton of third party support for it and you can do just about everything a little easier then just about everything else. All my DSOs for Apache are done in Kylix... -
Re:Practical Applications
You could go with Delphi. Anecdotal evidence suggests that many VB programmers are switching to Delphi rather than to VB.Net.
Visually, there are lots of similarities with VB, but with more power. You can go under the hood and get as low-level as you want, short of device drivers (where at least a small part must be written in C/C++).
As a bonus, data-aware controls actually work! (even MS recommends not using them in production VB code.)
There is a version (C++ Builder) that uses C++ instead of Pascal as the basic language, and another package, Kylix, that can compile Delphi/C++B source code to run on Linux.
Borland also hosts a fantastic developer community (especially newsgroups), and most components, even commercial ones, have source available. Look at Torry's for thousands of components/tools/apps. -
The wages of freedom
It seems that - notwithstanding the release of Kylix - not so many people around here are familiar with the Delphi scene. A feature that has distinguished it from its Microsoft competitors is that it is very easy to write good object-oriented components for it. Partly because of this and partly because there is a good 'Delphi scene', for many years there have been large numbers of free Pascal libraries and componenets on the Web. You'll find many of them catalogued on sites like the Polish Delphi Super Page and the Russian Torry's Delphi Pages, as well as the inevitable SourceForge.
In this environment, all software houses that make Delphi components have struggled to make money. Only the very best have survived - who is going to pay money for a slightly dodgy replacement tree control when the slickest, fastest one available is an Open Source freebie?
TurboPower was originally the most innovative of companies, and even if it had lost its way a bit in recent times its passing as a Delphi component vendor is an occasion for regret. You'll find any number of free Delphi libraries for doing serial comms; I suspect that only TurboPower's includes a complete terminal emulator with its own scripting language, and only TurboPower's that includes a fully-fledged fax modem driver complete with all the very tedious stuff to encode and decode Fax TIFF files. All this conscientiously and beautifully documented. There are many other examples of excellence in TurboPower's large range.
I don't claim there is any reason why all this shouldn't have evolved in an Open Source environment. But AFAIK it hasn't. If the success of Delphi as a tool for Open Source development means that companies such as TurboPower can no longer survive, then I think long term all Delphi (and Kylix) programmers will be much the poorer for it.
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/. DevelopersBorland has done a great thing, providing a GPL'd version of their industry leading application development environment, a product that I have been waiting for. But to read the comments like:
The GPL'd libraries are only 300k, let's clone them and that way we don't need to follow the GPL licensing agreement because our application does not contain GPL code.
Talk like this bothers me, if these /. readers would take the time to understanding the existing Delphi (window's Kylix) community. It thrives on free software, there is so many free components (check out Torry.net), but there are also commercial components, because at some point a developer has to earn a living. By by-passing Borland's goodwill of a GPL'd version which does not exist in the Windows world, you will blow it for everyone. Kylix 2.0 will be even better then this release, but hey, why should Borland release a version that is going to decrease the sales of their commercial version. As a shareholder, I would vote for the discontinuation of the GPL'd version in their next release if this is how the Linux community says thank-you.
Is the Borland Kylix IDE GPL'd
What do you think. NO. And why should it be, if you want to build your own you can, it is possible, and plenty of people do make add-ons. The IDE is proprietary, but the file formats are not. All project files are text based, side note, Borland had the patent for this and Microsoft just did it anyways with Visual Basic 2.0 onwards, this was one of the things settled with the $100M from Microsoft. There is also the issue of the Kylix compiler, doesn't sound like its GPL either.
Borland released two versions, one for people doing a lot of simply stuff, then the commercial version that comes with Sockets, etc. If you need the power, pay for it, I have been doing it for years with Delphi, and I have never been disappointed.
I believe that software does not have to be free, that information does not always want to be free, and that a lot of Open Source and /. developers want the world to be free. Reality check, if the only money I will make from my software is support, then I would need to forbid all Egroups or mailing lists setup to support my product,
Go ahead, by-pass the GPL license, ruin it for all future releases. Linux as a software platform has a lot of maturing still, from the comments, so do some of the /. readers.