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Wind is essentially created by heat from the sun.

Except for the wind that is created around political centers.

Find a way to harness the energy released by politicians burning tax dollars and for virtually perpetual energy.

You have a really valuable argument that people should spend a lot of time worrying about. It's a real shame that most people won't see it, since it's posted anonymously. Wind is essentially created by heat from the sun. Using all these wind turbines will obviously make the sun go out.

That would be a real problem.

So which "natural cycle" is it? We've looked at the ones which have caused past climate change (e.g., solar variations, volcanoes, changes in ocean circulation), and ruled them out as the cause of the current warming.

Oh? Who, I ask, ruled them out? Wasn't it just a few coercively-financed scientists whose bread and butter depend on getting more government grants to "prove" that only government solutions can solve the computer-model-predicted crisis?

"CLIMATE cannot be accurately predicted more than a few weeks ahead" - yeah, one more idiot who can't tell the difference between climate and weather. What this has to do with your claim is beyond me - unless it's the silliness of both.

...we are ramping atmospheric CO2 up to levels not seen in millions of years...

On what evidence do you base this claim? There is hard evidence showing carbon dioxide concentrations are much lower now than in recent geological ages.

Don't you mean "There is hard evidence showing carbon dioxide concentrations are much lower now than in recent geological ages - as recent as millions of years ago"?

Global warming doesn't predict that every location on Earth gets monotonically hotter every year.

The theory of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming doesn't predict the current cooling since 1998.

What cooling? Your source says nothing about "the current cooling since 1998." Not to mention that you only get a correlation between his beloved PDO and an oscillation on top of an upward trend in temperature - and we've got so many of those that they are probably a correlated block linked to solar output and completely besides man-made Global Warming.

So which "natural cycle" is it? We've looked at the ones which have caused past climate change (e.g., solar variations, volcanoes, changes in ocean circulation), and ruled them out as the cause of the current warming.

Oh? Who, I ask, ruled them out? Wasn't it just a few coercively-financed scientists whose bread and butter depend on getting more government grants to "prove" that only government solutions can solve the computer-model-predicted crisis?

...we are ramping atmospheric CO2 up to levels not seen in millions of years...

On what evidence do you base this claim? There is hard evidence showing carbon dioxide concentrations are much lower now than in recent geological ages.

Global warming doesn't predict that every location on Earth gets monotonically hotter every year.

The theory of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming doesn't predict the current cooling since 1998.

Strawmen? Who's talking strawmen here?

The hard evidence for an anthropogenic (human) cause for the current warming (which has ceased since 1998 for this reason) is lacking.

Soft evidence, on the other hand, includes computer models of the infinitely complex (and thus un-modelable) climate system that have been tweaked to predict three times the observed "forcing" for the total carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The human contribution to the total cannot even be accurately measured, but most evidence points to, at the outside, about 5% of the total atmospheric carbon dioxide coming from human sources.

Calling the hard evidence for global cooling a "straw man" while continuing to point at the soft evidence of an anthropogenic cause for climate change labels you an unscientific believer in the religion of Gaia.

Occam's razor suggests that natural climate forcings observed over thousands of years must be given more weight than the puny (and basically unmeasurable) contribution that humans have added to the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide during the current century.

I considered it an elitist to make claims that other people don't know what they're talking about while not at the same time explaining your position.

I considered vapour to be a gaseous form, and drops of water suspended in air are not the same as a gas.

Happily it seems that my memory and knowledge of high school physics has served me well. See http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_is_water_vapor.htm

The standard atmosphere surface pressure on earth is 1013.23 millibars (mb), or 29.92 inches of mercury.

A record High Pressure in Siberia made it up to 1083.8 mb/32.01 inches, and a Pacific Typhoon had a record low pressure of 879 mb/25.69 inches of mercury.

So, compared to Earth by altitude (approximately):
5,000 feet - 850 mb, 1 mile high 10,000 ft - 700 mb, 2 miles Oxygen required for unpressurized aircraft 18,000 ft - 500 mb (half the atmosphere is above/below this level), 3 miles 30,000 ft - 300 mb (70% of atmosphere is below), 6 miles high, entering the Stratosphere Dead Zone: Fatal without 100% oxygen source 53,000 ft - 100 mb (90% below, 10 miles, Stratosphere Fatal without Pressure suit: Blood pressure exceedes environment pressure, so oxygen is not absorbed Blood starts to outgas (boil) causing the Bends 68,000 ft - 50 mb (95%) 13 miles 102,000 ft - 10 mb (99%) 20 miles 104,000 ft - 9 mb High pressure on Mars 110,000 ft - 7 mb Average Mars pressure, 24 miles aloft on Earth 120,000 ft - 5 mb (99.5%) Higher terrain Mars pressure 157,000 ft - 1 mb (99.9%) Mars mountain tops, 30 miles on Earth Oh, yes - Earth has 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 1% Argon, Carbon Dioxide, and all that. Water vapor can be up to 4% or so on hot, humid days.

In other words, Mars Tourists will need to pack much more than a towel and sunscreen.

The standard atmosphere surface pressure on earth is 1013.23 millibars (mb), or 29.92 inches of mercury.

A record High Pressure in Siberia made it up to 1083.8 mb/32.01 inches, and a Pacific Typhoon had a record low pressure of 879 mb/25.69 inches of mercury.

So, compared to Earth by altitude (approximately):
5,000 feet - 850 mb, 1 mile high 10,000 ft - 700 mb, 2 miles Oxygen required for unpressurized aircraft 18,000 ft - 500 mb (half the atmosphere is above/below this level), 3 miles 30,000 ft - 300 mb (70% of atmosphere is below), 6 miles high, entering the Stratosphere Dead Zone: Fatal without 100% oxygen source 53,000 ft - 100 mb (90% below, 10 miles, Stratosphere Fatal without Pressure suit: Blood pressure exceedes environment pressure, so oxygen is not absorbed Blood starts to outgas (boil) causing the Bends 68,000 ft - 50 mb (95%) 13 miles 102,000 ft - 10 mb (99%) 20 miles 104,000 ft - 9 mb High pressure on Mars 110,000 ft - 7 mb Average Mars pressure, 24 miles aloft on Earth 120,000 ft - 5 mb (99.5%) Higher terrain Mars pressure 157,000 ft - 1 mb (99.9%) Mars mountain tops, 30 miles on Earth Oh, yes - Earth has 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 1% Argon, Carbon Dioxide, and all that. Water vapor can be up to 4% or so on hot, humid days.

In other words, Mars Tourists will need to pack much more than a towel and sunscreen.