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Sorry, but you seem to state that

• for all A where someone professional call's A an IQ test then it is true that A is not culturally biased;

however; it is certainly true that

• there exist X which professional IQ testers have called an IQ test where X is culturally biased (just the first link in google)

just so we could move forward, could you please give some example of a "real IQ test" which uses logic, math, and spatial recognition without any cultural biases? Most of the cases I have seen have shown problems that probably have the same solutions in different cultures, but are much easier to solve for people who have some specific experience or lack some other experience (e.g. a pattern of numbers may match some standard sequence in a culture and so the "next in the sequence" may be completely different in one culture from another. For bonus points, please tell us how to identify good "real IQ tests"; for example an association of testers you would recommend.

"And a "No Fly" list that is so easily added to that includes children *isn't* a violation of Constitutional rights?"

Wait....because they can add children, that makes it worse??

Any person with an IQ above 70 knows that children lack the motivation, knowledge, skills and physical strenght to pose a real and present threat to an airliner.

Geez, when did everything become 'about the children'. There is nothing special about them, and society needs to quit catering to them and their parents...This is a "grownups" world, lets start treating it that way again.

Children are simply little people who have yet to reach the age of majority.

The no fly list is screwing with people...age one way or another does not make it worse or better.

I don't know why you feel you need to rant against children, of all things, and I sure as hell don't see how that blind hatred qualifies as "insight", but the difference between a child and an adult are not, as you seem to believe, limited to an arbitrary legal number of solar circumnavigations, and therefore their inclusion onto a list of threats to the security of the entire western civilization is quite different from the inclusion of a elderly person, who might have the motivation, skills and knowhow to bring down a plane onto a nuclear powerstation.

I could look it up, or I could dismiss it as meaningless because age and I/Q don't progress linearly, period. Any formula that tries to do so is meaningless, even if you know what the terms are. That was my point; perhaps it was too subtle for you, AC.

A reference:
http://www.wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQHistoryCal cuate.html. Specifically, Because of these problems, MA is no longer used in calculating IQ scores - instead "deviation IQ" is used.

• 50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110
  
• 70% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115
  
• 95% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130
  
• 99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was referring to the subset of certain standardized tests that measures Verbal IQ. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale, for instance: A person taking the test receives a full-scale IQ score, a verbal IQ score, a performance IQ score, as well as scaled scores on each of the subtests.

Could you point me to an example of an unbiased test? Or at least one biased in the other direction?

Sure. There are several tests linked to from the following page that were created as demonstrations, for white americans, of what kind of bias we are talking about.

the idea that because nonwhites and women do worse on these tests, the tests must be biased.

We don't know what IQ tests were used in this study, but we do know several of the most common IQ tests were written by white men from academia and things they may unconsciously assume are common knowledge, or common language are not necessarily that to people with different life experiences. Believe it or not, but gender and race play a big part in an individual's cultural experience, including language and common knowledge.

So you posit "women's intelligence" or something like it.

I do nothing of the sort. Intelligence is a very difficult concept to quantify and the best we have come up with as far as IQ tests are concerned are for them to be consistent with one another (which of course does not rule out common bias, it encourages it) and to be predictors of real world events. Few IQ tests have ever demonstrated a statistically significant biologic correlation, let alone causation. Many are considered valid based upon their ability to predict success (which is usually shown by financial or career success which is both subject to the same racial/cultural/gender biases as the testing, and wholly subjective.) Who is to say the ability to achieve relative happiness, help the largest number of people, or live the most exciting life is not more successful than being rich or working in a prestigious job?)

You seem to be having trouble seeing this from someone else's point of view. Intelligence is the capacity to know or understand. Different people know and understand things in different ways and express that understanding in different ways. In some cases the differences may be very subtle. IQ tests use all sorts of words and concepts that may or may not be common to both the author of the test and the subject of the test. Don't you think it is likely that the closer your life experience is to the author of a test the more likely you are to have words and concepts in common?

It can't be that we culturally shortchange women and nonwhites, because we're all equal, right now, according to you.

Equality? Culturally short-change? How can one culture be superior to another? Everyone is different with different ways of looking at things. Because a woman is more likely than a man to know how many lunar cycles occur in a year, does that make "women's culture" superior? Sex biases are very common in our society. A man is much more likely to know how a camshaft or gear works simply because they are more likely to be exposed to it due to our culture. Ignoring these biases is ridiculous. Now, I'm not claiming that these results are due to gender bias in IQ tests, but it certainly seems a more likely cause for these results than women being less intelligent. There is no way to determine that as a certainty, however, since IQ tests are inherently biased by their creators.

Its been repeadetly shown that giving children a test with a CULTURAL BIAS affects their score. most IQ tests are written from a middle-class, white, suburban perspective.

IQ is extremely overused. it was designed as a test of the mental capacity of mentally disabled children. (mental age/physical age) it was never to be used as a guage against normally intelligent people to begin with, let alone adults.