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Actually, the Goldstone antennas get occasional (daily, but sporadic) interference from operations at nearby Edwards Air Force base.

NASA deep space stuff is up around 8 GHz...

Where'd you get that? This page lists Galileo at 2295 MHz. (That's ~2.3 GHz, for the math-challenged)

You forgot three who died on the pad with Apollo 7. The loss of Gus Grissom, Edward White and Roger Chaffee hit hard. That's the American side.

On the Soviet side, you missed no fewer than 170 deaths:
Komarov: 1967
Testers of Baikonur (you've probably seen the film of the explosion)
Gagarin and test-pilot Seryogin, lost in air flight in 1968)
Georgi Dobrovolksy, Vladislav Volkov, Viktor Patsayev, Soyuz 11, June 6, 1971 (died during re-entry)

Science is expensive, and pure research even more so. "Pure research" is the attempt to find out something without any other goal than the knowledge itself. That means there's no expected profits. Universities used to be the primary resource for this, but the way things have been the past couple decades, most research is done on behalf of a corporate sponsor, which means that 1) if you can't show a profitable motive for the intended result, you ain't doing it; and 2) If what you find upsets the sponsor, the plug is pulled quickly.

NASA has been incredibly successful, despite having both arms tied behind its back, one leg hobbled, the other knee immobilised, and forced to wear an eye patch AND headphones blaring N-SYNC and Shitney Spears 24/7.

The people who have died through their direct involvement in space programs all knew there were risks involved and were willing to take those risks. We can split hairs and say that no one told Krista McAuliffe that the Challenger was really a 1.5 million pound bomb, or that Apollo 7 wouldn't have burned if NASA read the label and followed the manufacturer's instructions, but they were still better informed than their Soviet counterparts.

Science ain't cheap, but when's the last time you thought about the price of ignorance?

woof.

"Eppur si muove" ("Nevertheless, it moves") -- supposedly said by Galileo after his recanting of his book.

This is the letter that Congressman CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, 27TH DISTRICT, CALIFORNIA sent to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament regarding the Zenon case and the NOTS documents. You can also read the answer from the speaker BIRGITTA DAHL. They forgot something about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". The letters are available as well as NOTS, from the Swedish Parliament.

I have only HTML-ized the letters and fixed the formatting. Now then, Scientology obviously have a great deal of influence in the U.S. These two letters, from the congressman HOWARD COBLE, CHAIRMAN Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, is almost a declaration of war. The first letter is to Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament, and the second letter is to Laila Freivalds, Minister of Justice, Government of Sweden. Once again, a representative of the U.S congress, forgets about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". that makes these letters public forever. This is also an interesting official document. Warren McShane, the President of Religious Technology Center (RTC), writes to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament, complaining about how Sweden treats their secret scriptures.

Still it seems as if nobody in the cult had a clue that it would be known to the world, thanks to the Swedish offentlighetsprincip.

I think the material was removed, later on.

This is the letter that Congressman CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, 27TH DISTRICT, CALIFORNIA sent to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament regarding the Zenon case and the NOTS documents. You can also read the answer from the speaker BIRGITTA DAHL. They forgot something about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". The letters are available as well as NOTS, from the Swedish Parliament.

I have only HTML-ized the letters and fixed the formatting. Now then, Scientology obviously have a great deal of influence in the U.S. These two letters, from the congressman HOWARD COBLE, CHAIRMAN Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, is almost a declaration of war. The first letter is to Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament, and the second letter is to Laila Freivalds, Minister of Justice, Government of Sweden. Once again, a representative of the U.S congress, forgets about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". that makes these letters public forever. This is also an interesting official document. Warren McShane, the President of Religious Technology Center (RTC), writes to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament, complaining about how Sweden treats their secret scriptures.

Still it seems as if nobody in the cult had a clue that it would be known to the world, thanks to the Swedish offentlighetsprincip.

I think the material was removed, later on.

This is the letter that Congressman CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, 27TH DISTRICT, CALIFORNIA sent to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament regarding the Zenon case and the NOTS documents. You can also read the answer from the speaker BIRGITTA DAHL. They forgot something about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". The letters are available as well as NOTS, from the Swedish Parliament.

I have only HTML-ized the letters and fixed the formatting. Now then, Scientology obviously have a great deal of influence in the U.S. These two letters, from the congressman HOWARD COBLE, CHAIRMAN Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, is almost a declaration of war. The first letter is to Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament, and the second letter is to Laila Freivalds, Minister of Justice, Government of Sweden. Once again, a representative of the U.S congress, forgets about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". that makes these letters public forever. This is also an interesting official document. Warren McShane, the President of Religious Technology Center (RTC), writes to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament, complaining about how Sweden treats their secret scriptures.

Still it seems as if nobody in the cult had a clue that it would be known to the world, thanks to the Swedish offentlighetsprincip.

I think the material was removed, later on.

This is the letter that Congressman CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, 27TH DISTRICT, CALIFORNIA sent to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament regarding the Zenon case and the NOTS documents. You can also read the answer from the speaker BIRGITTA DAHL. They forgot something about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". The letters are available as well as NOTS, from the Swedish Parliament.

I have only HTML-ized the letters and fixed the formatting. Now then, Scientology obviously have a great deal of influence in the U.S. These two letters, from the congressman HOWARD COBLE, CHAIRMAN Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, is almost a declaration of war. The first letter is to Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament, and the second letter is to Laila Freivalds, Minister of Justice, Government of Sweden. Once again, a representative of the U.S congress, forgets about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". that makes these letters public forever. This is also an interesting official document. Warren McShane, the President of Religious Technology Center (RTC), writes to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament, complaining about how Sweden treats their secret scriptures.

Still it seems as if nobody in the cult had a clue that it would be known to the world, thanks to the Swedish offentlighetsprincip.

I think the material was removed, later on.

This is the letter that Congressman CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, 27TH DISTRICT, CALIFORNIA sent to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament regarding the Zenon case and the NOTS documents. You can also read the answer from the speaker BIRGITTA DAHL. They forgot something about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". The letters are available as well as NOTS, from the Swedish Parliament.

I have only HTML-ized the letters and fixed the formatting. Now then, Scientology obviously have a great deal of influence in the U.S. These two letters, from the congressman HOWARD COBLE, CHAIRMAN Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, is almost a declaration of war. The first letter is to Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament, and the second letter is to Laila Freivalds, Minister of Justice, Government of Sweden. Once again, a representative of the U.S congress, forgets about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". that makes these letters public forever. This is also an interesting official document. Warren McShane, the President of Religious Technology Center (RTC), writes to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament, complaining about how Sweden treats their secret scriptures.

Still it seems as if nobody in the cult had a clue that it would be known to the world, thanks to the Swedish offentlighetsprincip.

I think the material was removed, later on.

This is the letter that Congressman CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, 27TH DISTRICT, CALIFORNIA sent to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament regarding the Zenon case and the NOTS documents. You can also read the answer from the speaker BIRGITTA DAHL. They forgot something about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". The letters are available as well as NOTS, from the Swedish Parliament.

I have only HTML-ized the letters and fixed the formatting. Now then, Scientology obviously have a great deal of influence in the U.S. These two letters, from the congressman HOWARD COBLE, CHAIRMAN Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, is almost a declaration of war. The first letter is to Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament, and the second letter is to Laila Freivalds, Minister of Justice, Government of Sweden. Once again, a representative of the U.S congress, forgets about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". that makes these letters public forever. This is also an interesting official document. Warren McShane, the President of Religious Technology Center (RTC), writes to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament, complaining about how Sweden treats their secret scriptures.

Still it seems as if nobody in the cult had a clue that it would be known to the world, thanks to the Swedish offentlighetsprincip.

I think the material was removed, later on.

This is the letter that Congressman CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, 27TH DISTRICT, CALIFORNIA sent to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament regarding the Zenon case and the NOTS documents. You can also read the answer from the speaker BIRGITTA DAHL. They forgot something about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". The letters are available as well as NOTS, from the Swedish Parliament.

I have only HTML-ized the letters and fixed the formatting. Now then, Scientology obviously have a great deal of influence in the U.S. These two letters, from the congressman HOWARD COBLE, CHAIRMAN Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, is almost a declaration of war. The first letter is to Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament, and the second letter is to Laila Freivalds, Minister of Justice, Government of Sweden. Once again, a representative of the U.S congress, forgets about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". that makes these letters public forever. This is also an interesting official document. Warren McShane, the President of Religious Technology Center (RTC), writes to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament, complaining about how Sweden treats their secret scriptures.

Still it seems as if nobody in the cult had a clue that it would be known to the world, thanks to the Swedish offentlighetsprincip.

I think the material was removed, later on.

This is the letter that Congressman CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, 27TH DISTRICT, CALIFORNIA sent to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament regarding the Zenon case and the NOTS documents. You can also read the answer from the speaker BIRGITTA DAHL. They forgot something about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". The letters are available as well as NOTS, from the Swedish Parliament.

I have only HTML-ized the letters and fixed the formatting. Now then, Scientology obviously have a great deal of influence in the U.S. These two letters, from the congressman HOWARD COBLE, CHAIRMAN Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, is almost a declaration of war. The first letter is to Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of the Swedish Parliament, and the second letter is to Laila Freivalds, Minister of Justice, Government of Sweden. Once again, a representative of the U.S congress, forgets about the Swedish "offentlighetsprincip". that makes these letters public forever. This is also an interesting official document. Warren McShane, the President of Religious Technology Center (RTC), writes to the speaker of the Swedish Parliament, complaining about how Sweden treats their secret scriptures.

Still it seems as if nobody in the cult had a clue that it would be known to the world, thanks to the Swedish offentlighetsprincip.

I think the material was removed, later on.

Is that the same site as the one Sven Grahn debunks here?

I would argue that it is hard to comment or report upon something without actually viewing what it is that is to be commented on. So even those posters who merely posted the entire document could be said to be furthering disscussion on the document.

At least one 9th Circuit judge disagrees with you. Judge Ronald M. Whyte, who is also the judge in the Sun v. Microsoft case, ruled against H. Keith Henson for doing precisely this--posting the entirety of a short document on a Usenet newsgroup to discuss its ramifications. A Wired article discusses this. It was Henson's contention that the document, NOTS 34, demonstrated illegal practice of medicine by the Scientology cult.

Judge Whyte was roundly criticized in a Wall Street Journal article for "Pecksniffian literalness" and for having "turned copyright law on its head."

The document, NOTS 34, is discussed, along with many other such documents, at Dave Touretzky's NOTS Scholars Page, and a description of the earlier parts of the trial is at Ron Newman's old page while the jury trial for damages is transcribed at Sten-Arne Zerpe's page. Incidentally, Judge Whyte dismissed trade secret claims in this litigation based on Internet distribution, as well as similar claims in other cases.

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