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Learning Software for Toddlers?

dunkan asks: "I know there are a lot of different software packages out there available for children. But I have an 19 month old boy who loves to move the mouse, and press buttons. While he can randomly start winamp and skip through the playlist, he doesn't know what he is doing. Does anyone have software suggestions for children in this age group? I would think it would be a simple as moving the mouse, or pressing a key, or whatever, gives a response that teaches them what the effect of their actions are. I have looked, but haven't found anything useful yet."

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  1. 19 months seems pretty young... by imrdkl · · Score: 2, Interesting
    But a good topic, nonetheless. Perhaps the age limit could be extended to, say, 3-4 yrs?

    Time-telling, or basic english word skills software recommendations would be great. Bonus if it's free software, as always. :-)

  2. sigh...I wish I had better news for you by msouth · · Score: 3, Informative

    hi,

    you can try doing a search on "lapware", (so named because the kids sits in your lap). I have many of the titles that will come up on that, and I am sorry to report that you will probably not be impressed.

    All one would need would be, for example, some of the screen savers that come up on gnome by default (Xscreensaver? I don't know), but with the mouse changing a parameter, and maybe the keyboard switching to another screen saver.

    Reader Rabbit's Toddler is not too bad (unfortunately our cd had been kidified, so my 22-month-old comes in regularly, tugging on my finger to get tech support when it tried to read a scrated area of the disk and crashes).

    These programs frustrate me immensely in their closed-sourceness, howeer, because there are tiny little improvements (like being able to click to skip the introductory yakking) that would be easy to make and would make a huge difference for impatient toddlers.

    Another thing you might try is subscribing to home-ed (I think home-ed-request@world.std.com) and posting your question there. That should net you a list of many titles and strong opinions in many directions.

    good luck. also, feel free to email me if you have any more questions on this.

    mike

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    Liberty uber alles.
    1. Re:sigh...I wish I had better news for you by jgarry · · Score: 1

      Most of them let you hit the escape key to skip intro.

      I've been getting a gazillion letters from a company I bought some "free" software from,
      for more free software, which winds up being a few
      bucks for shipping/handling of some crappy stuff on a cd that he never looks at twice. I seem to have mentally blocked it - maybe Ohio Distinctive? Several have dual english/spanish modes, to learn the other one, but he just doesn't seem interested (although he does in meatspace). Kid's now 5.5, and loves the Reader Rabbit, Richard Scary, Miss Spider, Sesame Street, Broderbrund stuff. He now knows Mac stuff from kindergarten, too. The stuff is helping teach him to read, so I can teach him unix.

      All in all, the lapware is definitely worth it. It is another mode of entertainment to give mommy a break, and show gamma how to use a computer. Yes, you have to watch out for computer addiction, set time limits. He hardly remembers we have a Playstation 2 (so far...).

      Now I just have to figure out how to get mommy excited about the computer, so I don't have to do the installs and reboots (stupid MS crappy OS!)...

      A lot of the kids web sites are starting to have games too, but many are flash based (urrrpp). Nick has some neat stuff, ties in with Blues Clues and stuff.

      jg
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      Oracle and unix guy.
    2. Re:sigh...I wish I had better news for you by Chelloveck · · Score: 2
      Reader Rabbit's Toddler is not too bad (unfortunately our cd had been kidified, so my 22-month-old comes in regularly, tugging on my finger to get tech support when it tried to read a scrated area of the disk and crashes).

      I'll second the vote for Reader Rabbit's Toddler. My kid loved it when he was that age. Also the Disney Interactive Storybooks (especially the Pooh titles) are enjoyable. Beware the newer ones, though, which are based on Shockwave rather than Quicktime. You cannot abort the long explanatory animations in the Shockwave titles. You can in the older Quicktime titles (like "Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree.")

      Stay as far away as you can from Teletubbies! I have nothing against the show, really, but the game stinks to high heaven. It too suffers from frequent, long, uninterruptable animation sequences. It uses a clickless (point-and-hover) interface, but provides only a very subtle cue when you've hovered long enough to activate something. And, of course, the activation starts a long non-interactive sequence... Oh, and to exit the game you let the mouse hover in one of the screen corners. The game then exits without confirmation (through a 2-minute long non-interruptable credit sequence!). Now, where do you think a toddler's uncoordinated mouse twitches end up most of the time? You guessed it! The game is just plain frustrating to kids and parents alike.

      BTW, I found a solution for the "kidified" CD syndrome. I no longer let my kids have the actual CD media. Instead, I've installed Daemon Tools virtual CD drive software. Before I install a game on the kids' machine I snag an image of it and mount that in the virtual drive. Once the game's installed I replace the desktop icon with a batch file that automagically mounts the appropriate CD image and starts the game. No more scratched CDs! You'll need a large hard drive, but even a 20G drive holds a fair number of games.

      This technique works great for my grown-up games, too. Snag the image and forget fumbling for CDs. Daemon Tools emulates common copy-protection schemes, and I have yet to find a game (kiddie or grown-up) that can't be played with the image instead of the CD itself.

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      Chelloveck
      I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
    3. Re:sigh...I wish I had better news for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll give another vote to Reader Rabbit software. My kids are older now, but there was one CD I remember that all you needed to do was to point to an item in the room and it would react. There was a dog and a clock and a window shade and a light switch to close the window. My kids particularly liked to pretend typing using word and just moving the mouse around and clicking. They can't do much harm and they like the sound of the keys when they try to "type" fast. At that age they don't know if it is spelled correctly anyways.

  3. My 2-year-old plays Quake 2 and Tomb Raider.... by abelaye · · Score: 1

    For Quake, I need to put her in "God mode" because she doesn't yet know how to run when someone's shooting at her, but she knows how to load a new game and venture through the levels up to the part where there's a walkway over a lava pool. Then she gets scared and restarts the game.

    Then there's Tomb Raider. 3 and Chronicles are her favorites. She usually before her bedtime. In fact, she'll get extremely fussy if she doesn't have her bottle of milk and the Playstation fired up before she nods off for the evening. She knows how to make Lara draw her guns and shoot at dogs and rats, climb ladders, blocks, etc. She isn't sophisticated enough to figure out some of the puzzles, though.

    I'd avoid a lot of those software titles aimed at toddlers. Most of it seems like dumbed down, noisy eye candy. Sara tends to tire of that stuff pretty quickly and goes right for the games that my wife and I play. She was also hooked on Snood for a little while, but I don't think it was as interactive for her tastes.

    -- anthony

  4. Try Reader Rabbit by TiVoRobin · · Score: 1

    Reader Rabbit Toddler is all my 2-year old plays.
    She has learned to move the mouse on things and click, put the CD in the drive and press start by herself.

  5. Learning software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why not teach him a programming language. Try English. Shouldn't you spend some time talking to your kid before he gets sucked into the TV and the Internet and computer games?

  6. JumpStart Toddler and the like.. by _hAZE_ · · Score: 2, Informative

    A couple of years ago, when I was working in the software department at Fry's Electronics in Silicon Valley, the most popular children's software was the JumpStart series from Knowledge Adventure.

    I received praise after praise from customers, who came back time and again to purchase more of their products as they released new ones. Knowledge Adventure has since expanded their product line considerably, breaking their software down into a few different categories, depending on the type of learning you're interested in.

    From the sounds of it, you're looking for something along the lines of "JumpStart Baby" or "JumpStart Toddler", both a part of the "Full Grades" category. Other titles from this category include "JumpStart Preschool", "JumpStart Kindergarten", and a product each for 1st through 6th grades.

    These titles come highly recommended from parents across the country (I know, I've spoken with them face-to-face!), although I've never looked at them myself (excuses: don't have kids yet, don't really have the money to buy software I won't use, I run mostly Linux).

    The best thing is that nearly, if not, all of their products run on both Windows and Macintosh computers (hybrid CD-ROM), meaning almost everyone out there can take advantage of them. Unfortunately, they do not have a Linux version, and I am unsure as to whether or not they run under Wine, VMWare, or the like. If they do, I'd be interested to hear about it, as I'm sure many Linux-running parents and educators may want to hear as well.

    On a side note, I'm sure all those parents out there that have been using the JumpStart series for a few years wouldn't mind donating the products that their children have outgrown to a school. Don't forget, just because your local school may have computers in the classroom now, that doesn't mean they have a huge amount of software, or the budget to purchase stuff for the kids to use. Don't throw out your old software, and don't even sell it in a garage sale. Donate it to your local school!

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    Don Head
    UNIX/Linux Administrator
    1. Re:JumpStart Toddler and the like.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have alot more cash if you spent more time working in a productive job and less time taking certification tests.

    2. Re:JumpStart Toddler and the like.. by _hAZE_ · · Score: 1

      The words "job" and "productive" can not be used in the same sentence anymore. All those jobs disappeared 20 years ago. I like to think that in the 2 years I've been with the same company, I've accomplished something. I guess the finished products that line my computer desk at home don't count.

      Oh, and the certification tests? Part of the job. Talk to them if you think them spending money on me is a waste of my money. I personally don't see the connection between my cash and my job paying for certification tests (and paying me to take them).

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      Don Head
      UNIX/Linux Administrator
  7. Why "too young"? by fm6 · · Score: 2
    Kids are never too young to play. And it's damned important to their development. Here, the computer is serving that purpose. Maybe the kid is too young to learn anything about the computer, but that's beside the point.

    I'm reminded of a radio show I heard on the benefits of reading to children. One woman called in and claimed that kids are never too young to be read to. As proof, she cited her two daughters, both read to from birth. Both grew up to be librarians! But I suspect their career choices have less to do with any cognitive benefits of being read to than with the emotional bonds books helped create for them.

    1. Re:Why "too young"? by imrdkl · · Score: 1

      I had no idea. I'm gonna look at some of the stuff mentioned in other articles for the baby next year, and get right on the case with the 3yr old. Sheesh, now I almost feel guilty.

  8. My experience with software and homeschooling by Daengbo · · Score: 0

    I homeschooled my oldest son from 0-6 and my daughter from 0-3, and software was a major part of that. Of the three major titles we used, JumpStart, Reader Rabbit, and Disney, I think the most useful was Jumpstart. With my son, we started at 17-18 mos with jumpstart toddler, and bought new titles as he was able to master them. By the time he was six years old, he had approximately 80 titles, including simulation games such Roller Coaster Tycoon, which we played together.
    I must stress that this was part of an overall education effort with him, which included reading as many as 6 books a day to him, spending time each weekday on phonics, using tactiles to teach math, etc..., but the end result was that, when he entered kindergarten, he was tested at a fourth grade reading level.
    I believe the software was fundamental in things like sound differentiation, phonics rules practice, vocabulary work, and drilling concepts which he learned outside the computer. I think it is very important to spend personal time with your children reading and doing math, though, because what they crave at that age is simply alot of one on one or one on two time with their parents. (I don't buy the concept of "quality time." I think that it is a cop out -- you can't give your employer less time and just call it quality.)
    It's just my experience and opinion, but I think that's what you asked for.
    Any further questions, you're welcome to email me.

  9. Careful with the guilt! by fm6 · · Score: 2
    Don't sweat it. I'm not saying that just to make you feel better. I hate the idea of kids being force-fed Mozart and computers and books and "educational" toys because some adult wants "the best" for them.

    It all comes down to Play. It's the most important thing kids can do for themselves, but hey, they're born knowing how to do it. The best we can do for them is offer them tools to make the most out of their play. And not get miffed when they turn up their noses at the tools we offer, or at our opinions on how to use them. Remember, they're the experts!

  10. Two programs by scj · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try ABClassroom. The child can click letters on the screen or hit them on the keyboard, and the computer will say the letter. It also teaches shapes and colors, and has a "chalkboard."

    The program is for Windows and costs nothing. It also makes it difficult for a child to exit the program, even disabling CTRL-ALT-DEL.

    This might be too advanced for a 19-month-old. But it should be fine for a 24- to 30-month-old. If the child can click-and-drag, they will like the "chalkboard".

    You might also try Crash, Bang, Wallop. I found the program to be a little annoying (too noisy!), but it is simple and very young kids will like it. It is also a free windows program.

  11. Debian Jr. by damiam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You might find something useful in the list of packages packaged by the Debian Jr. project.

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    It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
  12. games by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 1

    my kids were into BabyWow up to about 18 months, which runs (poorly) under Wine. On Linux GCompris, GLTron, GBreakout, Gnibbles, and the www.nickjr.com and www.pbskids.org sites are all popular (use Crossover to view those sites, the Linux Flash player is seriously crippled).

    The best games are still for Windows/Mac -- haven't tried many of them on Wine. Current favorites for my 3 year old are Reader Rabbit and Lionel Trains. He played Jumpstart for a little while but got sick of it fast (good thing too, it was NAUSEATING).

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    "Nothing was broken, and it's been fixed." -- Jon Carroll
  13. Too young! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ask any Child Development person. Kids that age learn primarily through tactile stimulation and interpersonal interaction. Computer programs provide neither of these.

    For now, get away from the computer and try something stimulating and problem-solving oriented that's more appropriate, like Duplos or coloring books or paint-by-number.

    1. Re:Too young! by brlewis · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Jane Healy's book, "Failure to Connect" should be required reading before buying software for young children. For a toddler, a much better activity would be those flat wooden puzzles where the pieces have little handles, and each fits into its own individually-shaped hole.

  14. Get your kid some building blocks by SanLouBlues · · Score: 2

    . . . and they won't be blind by the time they're 19 years old (unless you've got LCDs).

    Seriously, get your kid to run around and play a lot, before she/he turns into a fat fourth grader (those kids are often ostrascized). Introduce computers and qbasic around eight or ten after they've begun to appreciate the real world first.

  15. kidsfreeware.com by stienman · · Score: 2

    I found Kids Freeware recently, which appears to have quite a selection.

    -Adam

  16. believe it or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    most kids get more entertainment from cursor trails than most toddler software.

    kids love cursor trails, it's like the concept of a sparkler, but not as dangerous.

  17. No-CD for Reader Rabbit Toddler (& Preschool) by linatux · · Score: 1

    It is easy enough to copy the entire CD to disk then alter an .ini file (rrwt32.ini from memory) so that you don't need the CD. This will save them from being scratched/broken/lost.

    (You need to uncheck the read-only flag first)