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C#, CLI Accepted by ECMA
SlipJig writes "Apparently ECMA has approved standardization of both C# (Microsoft's new programming language) and the CLI (Common Language Infrastructure). While I'm sure this won't entice the die-hard anti-MS folks, I suppose it's a good thing. Here's the article on CNet."
But Microsoft will retain control over who gets to license the technology and how it will be distributed, a company spokesman said.
.NET framework, and it's not like MS is going to be forthcoming with the information to make that possible.
This alone makes it seem pretty useless to me.
What good is creating just any old C# compiler? The point would be to get the compiler to output code that could run on the
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Two thigs come to mind:
.Net Framework.."
1) "..Microsoft will retain control over who gets to license the technology and how it will be distributed.."
2) "..the ECMA submission from Microsoft only defines a subset of the
At least they actually submitted something unlike Sun with Java!
This seems like a 'standard' in a limited sense - here's an industry standard but you can only use it if we like you!
When Microsoft released IE for Soalaris the response from the Sun comunity was: Stick it up your ass!
So this is what the whole !Windows users should tell them.
People often see a dark agenda in MS's actions. And sometimes that's actually true. But I think they play Cousin Dudley more often than Voldemort.
With .NET, MS has really conflicting goals. On the one hand, they need something to compete with Java, and will insulate apps from the convoluted NT API. But that means something very similar to Java, a software platform that's hardware agnostic. And that means cooperating with other companies, something they just don't like to do. Not a formula for success.
I think the number of comments speaks for itself in regards to how big of a ripple this had on everybody perception of an impact.
.NET? Are there key patents on key technologies in .NET, or is it another scenerio entirely?
The question is now: Other than Miquel D'Icaza, is there anybody out there who's going to try to leverage this in someway or another?
Better question: To what extent can Microsoft retrict competition with
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
For those of us who are hopelessly out-of-touch on this issue,
1) How long will it take (in your opinion) for C# to become a marketable skill (ie, how long until someone might need to hire a C# programmer?)
2) Will this ECMA approval make #1 arrive more quickly or not?
In any case, don't assume that .NET is a non-starter, just because all the techies you know are yawning. Microsoft projects develop a following because they're from Microsoft. Not fair -- just the way it is.
Yes, I do remember Microsoft Bob. Not the same. .NET isn't coming out of nowhere. It's Microsoft's answer to Java. Which hasn't lived up to the early hype either, but has found a certain acceptance.
This is not a minor point. MS hates having to support more than one OS. And no one is sorry to see the last of their original OS stream, with its roots in a badly-written CP/M clone. Unfortunately, MS has caved into developers who don't won't migrate until NT incorporates some of the old systems mistakes, such as raw sockets. Which will make an already tempremental OS even more so.
No I take it back. Not funny. Glib and ignorant. MS does plenty of cross-platform work. They have products that run on Solaris, HP-UX, and Mac. The last is particularly significant, since Mac Office is the only thing that keeps Apple in business.
The only major platform they don't target is Linux. Penguinites should take heart at that omission -- presumably Mister Bill thinks that Linux is NT's only serious competition.
It took a few times before I noticed the recurrence - they tried this with DNS, and now with CLI. I am so done with Microsoft - it seems like they can't make a single move without wanting to own or subvert a technology.
What's wrong with this picture? How come Sun couldn't come up with similar licensing to control Java? I bet Microsoft sure as hell will maintain control over C#. What does ECMA approval mean, do they take over administering rules for the standard? Sun sure made it sound that way when they didn't submit Java.
And what is this new "shared source" licensing? Microsoft asking for free pseudo-open source programming services? Wasn't open source founded on the principle of protecting authors of free software from this very kind of commercial exploitation? This is too ironic.