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Microsoft's Embedded Linux FUD Part II

jeffy124 writes: "Lineo has added yet more rebuttal against Microsoft regarding the FUD MS put in a whitepaper comparing WinXP Embedded to Embedded Linux. Elsewhere, IT-Director.com did their own independent review of the whitepaper, with some facinating conclusions."

9 comments

  1. another fp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    could it be that for the second time today that I, Anonymous Coward, have the first post?

  2. Pot...Kettle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Isn't it a little biased to say that only Microsoft's whitepaper is FUD? Isn't the entirety of Lineo's rebuttal FUD directed at Microsoft's embedded XP?

    Sure we can get into a "They did it first" shouting match, but it really does no one any good in this case.

    The embedded system designers are not techno-clumsy CEOs. They are highly experienced engineers, for the most part. They know that they need to take MS's words with a grain of salt, and they know that Linux systems have hidden costs associated with them. Embedded Windows and embedded Linux are both getting their asses kicked up and down the block by WindRiver's VxWorks, so this whole thing is like watching a couple sparrows fighting over a crumb that the crow dropped.

    1. Re:Pot...Kettle by hairyian · · Score: 2

      The embedded system designers are not techno-clumsy CEOs. They are highly experienced engineers, for the most part. They know that they need to take MS's words with a grain of salt, and they know that Linux systems have hidden costs associated with them.

      I think it's fairly clear from the wording that MSs white paper isn't targetted at the people developing in any serious way - it's almost completely made out of the kind of information a managerial type might find useful.

      Once Linux is 'demystified' it's clear that MSs white paper is a marketing tool and nothing more. Of course, if you have the hearts, minds and wallets of the managers at various levels then they can ensure than Windows XP Embedded is used in projects. Anyone who has enough knowledge of the project itself, Linux internals and what MS says in it's white paper would find it difficult to rate XP Embedded well /unless/ you're talking about a PDA rather than an 'embedded' system.

      Embedded Windows and embedded Linux are both getting their asses kicked up and down the block by WindRiver's VxWorks, so this whole thing is like watching a couple sparrows fighting over a crumb that the crow dropped.

      By itself this isn't much to be concerned with, and I agree with your statement. Unfortunately, MS seems to be targetting Linux at as many levels as possible to eliminate, before it's too late, any large-scale business interest it may have or be acquiring. The bickerings over the crumb spill over into the other arena's where comparisons between Linux and MS OSs are made.

      Ian Woods

    2. Re:Pot...Kettle by SirGeek · · Score: 1

      And for those of us who've used VxWorks we would prefer linux. MUCH cheaper cost and easier to develop testing stations (just use a PC running linux for most of it then when you get to the nitty gritty you can move into the actual bread boards/etc.).

  3. Hands of Time by The+Lyrics+Guy · · Score: -1

    [I haven't had time to transcribe anything new.. this weekend I'll do it..]

    Squiggy - The Hands Of Time

    The once steel towers of this land have gone and rusted away
    The one strong ethics of the worker have been sold away
    The dollar equals slavery, a master to which we're loyal
    A civil war over greed on American soil

    Wooaaaah another factory closes
    Woooooah Nobody gives a fuck
    Woooooah They sold our dreams away
    Woooaaah Turn back the hands of time

    America for us really means America for them
    A nation full of traitors, on which we can't depend
    Our once shining streets are being turned into a ghetto
    The ball of destruction has been rolling since the get-go

    Wooaaaah another factory closes
    Woooooah Nobody gives a fuck
    Woooooah They sold our dreams away
    Woooaaah Turn back the hands of time

    The rich and powerful take more as the day passes
    While the blind and hopeless sit back on their asses
    But I won't be another number, I won't be another dollar, I won't be another
    scapegoat in the corperate scheme

    We're gunna beat beat beat 'em down
    We're gunna beat beat beat 'em down
    We're gunna beat beat beat 'em down
    We're gunna turn this place around

    Wooaaaah another factory closes
    Woooooah Nobody gives a fuck
    Woooooah They sold our dreams away
    Woooaaah Turn back the hands of time

  4. What would be nice... by jd · · Score: 2
    Would be a COMPLETE, systematic, comparison of the capabilities of the different Linux branches (eg: MOSIX, SE-Linux, Linus' Linux, AC Linux, FOLK Linux) against the different Windows branches (eg: Windows 9x, Windows CE, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows NT, Windows 2000) and different *BSD's (eg: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, SecureBSD, TrustedBSD).


    By complete, I mean complete. List ALL network protocols supported (plus a score of 1-10 of compliance to that protocol's specification, and a score of 1-10 of the latency in that implementation). List ALL filing systems suported (same). List ALL drivers. All schedulers. All system calls. All architectures. (And, again, the larency of ALL of these, on a scale of 1-10). Level of POSIX compliance. Level of access control. Granularity of timers, locks, etc. Size of kernel (minimum, typical, and maximum).


    Once a survey on this kind of scale is done, we can truly see which OS is king... and what task(s) they are king OF, for all have strengths, and all have weaknesses. And NONE of the standard comparisons really tell you anything about what those are.

    --
    It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    1. Re:What would be nice... by Ro-tex · · Score: 1

      That would be very nice, in fact... and just a little harder to do than nice to see. But if somebody gets to it and do it I'll be very happy to read this survey.

  5. Use XP so you're not tied one company by webprogrammer · · Score: 1
    This defeats one of the OEM's key objectives in moving to a general purpose OS--to free up resources from ongoing OS support and maintenance. This "tie" to a particular Linux vendor, in turn, leaves the OEM exposed to the long-term financial viability of that vendor.

    And using XP is somehow not keeping you tied to a particular vender???

    --
    Tim ODonnell (trying to be the most
  6. alt.sex.plushies Frequently Asked Questions by Big_Ass_Spork · · Score: -1

    ADVISORY -- ADULTS ONLY

    The following text contains descriptions of erotic acts with plush stuffed animals ('plushies'). If you are a minor, or if you believe you may be offended by descriptions of eroticism with plush stuffed animals, please stop reading this text now.

    Welcome to alt.sex.plushies!

    alt.sex.plushies Frequently Asked Questions Version 3.1

    (last revised 30 November 1999)

    Table Of Contents:

    1) What is 'alt.sex.plushies'?
    2) What is a 'plushie'? What is a 'plushophile'?
    3) What is a 'fursuit'?
    4) What kinds of subjects are discussed on alt.sex.plushies?
    5) How do people really feel about their plush companions?
    6) Why be intimate with plushies instead of with people?
    7) Just what exactly do people do with plushies, anyway?
    8) I think I'd like to explore this. How should I begin?
    9) Am I welcome here if I like plushies but don't have sex with them?
    10) Why is there so little traffic on this newsgroup?
    11) What other plushie newsgroups are on the net?
    12) Are there any plushie web sites I can browse?
    13) Are there fursuit web sites I can browse, too?
    14) I've seen some unusual terms used here. What do they all mean?
    15) What is the 'Plush Code'?
    16) How can I clean a plushie?
    17) How can I modify a plushie?
    18) Where can I buy plushies on the net?

    1) What is 'alt.sex.plushies'?

    'alt.sex.plushies' is a newsgroup for adults who have special personal
    feelings for plush stuffed animals (and plush puppets, too). It's
    also a place where people talk about 'fursuits'. alt.sex.plushies was
    newgrouped on August 9, 1994.

    2) What is a 'plushie'? What is a 'plushophile'?

    A 'plushie' is a plush stuffed animal, like a teddy bear. 'Plushie'
    is also sometimes used as a short form for 'plushophile': an adult
    who loves or is otherwise attracted to stuffed animals.

    3) What is a 'fursuit'?

    This is a full-body costume that makes the wearer look like a favorite
    animal, or an animal character. Costumes like this are commonly seen
    being worn by staff members at amusement parks dressing up as popular
    cartoon characters. They're also seen at sporting events where the
    team has a mascot in a costume. Since a person in a fursuit looks
    (and feels) a lot like a 'living plushie', such costumes are
    understandably popular with some plushophiles. Several of us here
    have made or bought our own animal costumes.

    4) What kinds of subjects are discussed on alt.sex.plushies?

    Many people assume that the group is just for talking about sex,
    sexual techniques, and ways to modify plushies to use them for sex.
    While these subjects certainly all come up, they are far from the
    only things that are discussed here. Some other topics that arise
    are what kinds of plushies people have, what they look like, where to
    buy them, how to make fursuits and other kinds of costumes, what kind
    of plushie gatherings are coming up, and just plain conversation
    between friends. alt.sex.plushies is a small, friendly group, and
    nobody minds if a discussion drifts a bit away from the subject of
    plushies now and then. About the only things that are unwelcome are
    binary posts, and the SPAM advertisements that flood the whole
    alt.sex.* hierarchy.

    5) How do people really feel about their plush companions?

    While most plushophiles probably feel at least some degree of affection
    for their plushies, the ways they express it depend on the individual.
    Some may view their plushies as just sex toys, while other plushophiles
    love, even venerate their stuffed animals.

    6) Why be intimate with plushies instead of with people?

    You don't have to choose between one or the other - you can have both
    plush and human partners at the same time - but the great thing about
    stuffed animals is that they can always be there for you, whenever you
    feel the need for intimacy. People can be 'too busy', 'too tired' or
    'have a headache', but a plushie will never say 'No!' when you crave
    closeness. Stuffed animals can be truly ideal companions. No plush
    partner will ever break your heart, give you a disease, or hurt you in
    any way. Plushies can bring pure, unfettered happiness into your life,
    and if you're open to it, wonderful sensual experiences, as well.

    7) Just what exactly do people do with plushies, anyway?

    Probably the most common thing plushophiles do with their plushies is
    to simply cuddle them. Many of us sleep with our stuffed animals, as
    well. Concerning plush sex, two common methods are to hug a plushie
    while pleasuring oneself, and to rub against the fur of the plushie
    until achieving orgasm. Some people modify their plushies to form a
    space for penetration. This can be as simple as an opened seam, or a
    more elaborate insert can be constructed. People can also modify a
    plushie with a penis-like attachment. Some plushophiles have such
    strong feelings for plushies that they can make themselves peak just
    by looking at one, or just sniffing its scent. Many other fetishes
    can easily be combined with plush sex, as well. Also, you can involve
    human partners with plush. Rubbing a plushie against a sex partner's
    body is nice, as is 'sandwiching' a partner's body between yours and a
    large plushie (or sandwiching the plushie), or frolicking with your
    partner in a big pile of plush. The potential ways to use plushies
    are really limited solely by the imagination. Indulge freely in your
    fancies!

    8) I think I'd like to explore this. How should I begin?

    First and most importantly, find a stuffed animal that appeals to you
    in a very personal way. It may take time, but eventually you'll find
    one that's irresistible. If you currently have a stuffed animal that
    you've got special feelings for, chances are you've already expressed
    those emotions in some intimate manner. In general, probably the best
    way to learn about plush love is to take your special plushie to bed
    with you, and just cuddle at first. That might be as far as you want
    to go, but if the sensations of softness, warmth and closeness bring
    on arousal, simply follow your instincts. You'll find that plushies
    make very nice love partners. They will gladly do anything you want
    and any time you feel like it, so you can totally set your own pace.
    Just start with cuddling, and sleeping with your special plushie(s),
    and in time, you will learn all the Joys Of Plush(tm) for yourself.

    9) Am I welcome here if I like plushies but don't have sex with them?

    Certainly! Many of the posters here collect plushies for their
    appearance, because they love animals, or various other non-sexual
    reasons. There are plenty of things plush collectors can and do
    discuss here, whether they are into sexual uses for plushies or not.
    Please feel free to join such discussions or start new ones, and just
    skip over any other topics that don't interest you. You'll find that
    the majority of discussions here are actually not sexual, only a
    minority of them are.

    10) Why is there so little traffic on this newsgroup?

    A lot of people stopped posting to alt.sex.plushies when the SPAM
    advertisements flooded the group. a.s.p isn't completely dead, though.
    Many of us still monitor the group for on-topic posts, and newcomers
    are always welcome. Don't let the SPAM discourage you from joining us!
    If you do post to a.s.p, though, *make sure* your Subject: line starts
    with a tag like 'PLUSH:'. Most of us have filters that kill posts
    whose Subject: line doesn't contain the word 'plush' or 'plushies'.

    11) What other plushie newsgroups are on the net?

    These Usenet newsgroups are devoted to stuffed animals, too:
    alt.fan.plushies
    alt.collecting.teddy-bears
    alt.collecting.beanie-babies
    alt.collecting.beanie-babies.forsale
    alt.collecting.beanie-babies.uk

    Plushie pictures can be posted to:
    alt.binaries.pictures.plushies
    alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.plushies
    alt.binaries.erotica.beanie-babies

    Also, 'alt.lifestyle.furry' is a 'furry' newsgroup where plushophilia
    is on-topic, and 'de.alt.fan.pluesch' is a German plushie NG.

    12) Are there any plushie web sites I can browse?

    Of course! Here are a few for starters:

    FoxWolfie Galen's Furry Plushie Page
    http://velocity.net/~galen/
    (Established in April 1994 - probably the first adult plushie page)

    Max's Plushie Page
    http://www.sonic.net/~maxi/plush.html

    Plush Central
    http://www.personal.isat.com/captpackrat/plush/
    (Home of the plushieRing)

    W e bKitty's Plushies Page
    http://www2.hawaii.edu/~mivillan/plushies.html
    (Discover 25 reasons why stuffed animals are better than men!)

    BlayZe BrightScale's Page
    http://come.to/blayze/

    >From any of these sites, you can follow the 'PlushieRing' to a number
    of other plush-lovers' webpages.

    'Plushie Fandom!' is a message board and chat forum for plushophiles
    on the World Wide Web. Come join us at:
    http://www.delphi.com/plushie_fandom

    13) Are there fursuit web sites I can browse, too?

    One of the most comprehensive webpages on fursuits is at:
    http://www.best.com/~nico/fursuit.cgi
    There you will find links to many other fursuit-related webpages.

    14) I've seen some unusual terms used here. What do they all mean?

    We plushies have come up with a lot of unique jargon over the years.
    You can look up the meaning of just about any word or abbreviation we
    use at:
    http://velocity.net/~galen/plushlex.txt

    15) What is the 'Plush Code'?

    It's a categorical code of letters and symbols that's used to summarize
    ones personal plush preferences. The key to translate someone's Plush
    Code can be found at:
    http://velocity.net/~galen/plushcod.txt

    16) How can I clean a plushie?

    This subject is worthy of a FAQ by itself. It's a complex question,
    not only because many stuffed animals have individual qualities that
    require different approaches to cleaning, but also because it seems
    most of us have different ideas about how to clean our plush friends.
    As for myself, I think the best way to keep a stuffed animal clean is
    to try not to get it dirty in the first place. Most importantly, I
    always make sure *I* am clean before I handle or snuggle my plushies,
    because inevitably, whatever grime is on my hands, clothes, or body is
    going to end up in my cuddlemate's plush. Dirt, dust, body oil, sweat,
    skin flakes, hair, lint, even the smoky fallout from one's kitchen -
    all these foreign substances will accumulate in a plushie's fur over
    time, and getting them out - especially if the fur has become tangled
    or matted - can be a major chore. Since most stuffed animals are
    'limited editions' which years from now won't be replaceable, keeping
    a favorite plushie clean is crucial to prolonging its life.

    On a week-to-week basis, the best thing to do for a regularly-cuddled
    plushie is to give it a good thorough combing. This will minimize the
    tendency for the fur to get tangled and matted. Plush that you have
    around the house just for display purposes should be combed at least
    once monthly to get the dust out of their fur. Make sure to use a comb
    that is dedicated solely for the purpose of grooming your plushies,
    though. Anything that is on a comb will work its way into a plushie's
    fur, too, and you definitely don't want to get scalp oils, dander, or
    the residue of styling gunk embedded into a stuffed animal's plush.

    For simple clean-ups, there is an excellent commercial product called
    'Bubble G u n d' that works wonders on plush that is moderately soiled.
    Spray lightly onto the soiled area, rub it into the plush with a clean
    dry towel, let it dry thoroughly, then buff the fur briskly with
    another clean dry towel. The results are usually quite pleasing.

    Sometimes, however, radical surgery is required to clean a seriously
    dirty plushie. This should only be done, though, if you're skilled in
    the art of sewing. Undo enough of the seams to completely remove the
    stuffing, then hand-wash the plush 'skin' in a dilute solution of a
    mild detergent like Woolite. After you're done with the hand-washing,
    dry the fur by hand, as well. Re-stuff the plushie using only fresh
    new Poly-fil (available at most arts and crafts stores), and re-sew.

    Be aware that semen or vaginal fluid can mar plush fur if it's left to
    dry untreated. If this concerns you, be sure to comb and dry the fur
    thoroughly right after sex, and untangle all the stuck-together plush.
    If the sexual fluid has already dried, re-moisten it with a damp
    cloth, and then untangle the plush.

    Whatever method you choose to clean a plushie, try to avoid soaking the
    inner stuffing. Some stuffed animals are indeed made to be machine
    washable, but most are not, and getting the stuffing wet will at best
    make a plushie undesirably lumpy inside, and at worst, ruin it by
    encouraging the internal growth of mold and mildew rot.

    17) How can I modify a plushie?

    As alluded to above, there are two principal ways people may modify
    plushies for sex. One is to form a space for penetration. This type
    of modification is called a 'strategically-placed hole' (SPH). The
    other basic type of modification is to give a plushie a maleness, for
    receptive sex, or simply for anatomical correctness. This is called
    a 'strategically-placed appendage' (SPA). The specific techniques of
    how to create these modifications are really beyond the scope of this
    FAQ, however. If you have questions about mods, though, post them to
    the group, and someone will likely know where or to whom to direct you.

    18) Where can I buy plushies on the net?

    This FAQ used to include a list of plushie resources on the Internet,
    but it became too much work to keep it updated. If you'd like to view
    this list, go to one of the three sites below, but bear in mind that
    each of the new hosts have permission to modify the resources list as
    they wish, so the info available at these sites may differ.

    http://velocity.net/~galen/sources.html (or */sources.txt)
    http://www.spottycat.com/marlos/plushres.html (includes updated info
    for Canadian plushie resources)
    http://www.sonic.net/~maxi/plushres.txt