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The RENDER Extension: The Wait Hurtles On

augros writes: "Keith Packard, responsible for the X RENDER extension, is still working diligently on the X component that may one day make X a rival to other bleeding edge windowing systems (...ahem, *Quartz*). It's thanks to RENDER that 'xterm -fa arial' gives you a sleek anti-aliased terminal and k-jofol can offer you those funky-shaped skins. But how long will it be before X wields true-translucent windows? The cheap hacks (eterm) have lasted way too long. Read Packard's article; he goes over the details of what will need to be done. If you're interested in the current level of development check out Packard's screenshot. I tried his code myself and had to do tweak it a bit before the window even mapped. He claims it worked as true-transparency on his box, albeit painfully slow, however all I got was alpha-blended rectangles on an unrefreshing background." And watch this space for an XFree86-related interview, too :)

17 comments

  1. Take 'em All by The+Lyrics+Guy · · Score: -1

    Cock Sparrer - Take 'em All

    We worked our way up from east end pubs
    To gigs and back stage passes
    Ex-boxing champs, West end clubs
    Americans in dark glasses
    Driving ten grand cars, they drink in hotel bars
    They're even making money in bed
    They wouldn't be no loss, they aint worth a toss
    It's about time they all dropped dead.

    Chorus:
    Take 'em all, take 'em all
    Put 'em up against a wall and shoot 'em
    Short and tall, watch 'em fall
    Come on boys take 'em all

    Well tough shit boys, it aint our fault
    Your record didn't make it
    We made you dance, you had your chance
    But you didn't take it
    Well, I gotta go make another deal
    Sign another group for the company
    I don't suppose we'll ever meet again
    You'd better get back to the factory.

    Chorus

    Take 'em all, watch 'em fall (x4)

    Chorus (Repeat...)

    1. Re:Take 'em All by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I saw them live on Holidays In The Sun, Morecambe, UK this summer... Great concert! ;)

      Kinda offtopic though.. :-P

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  2. howto antialias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know how to turn antialiasing on? I don't use KDE or Gnome, just straight blackbox. But I'd love to have emacs21, Mozilla, rxvt, etc. use antialiased fonts. Do I need to add something to .Xresources for this?

    1. Re:howto antialias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >emacs21

      i think xemacs-gtk supports xft rendering, grab gtk-xft.

      >Mozilla

      grab gtk-xft.

      >rxvt

      don't think it does yet. but xterm has support. so does konsole, gnome-terminal.

      although many people consider terminals to be bad with antialiased text. however, with a good font, it's quite good. I'm using bitstream's courier from beos, and it looks absolutely beutiful in konsole.

    2. Re:howto antialias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well crap,
      as mozilla does not use gtk-widgets but something else (even for the stuff around the html-page) it won't work, no way!

  3. Xfree interview? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kick ass, Timothy. Osnews.com has been the best place for interviews but I always preferred slashdot interviews.

  4. Kjofol by Howie · · Score: 2

    Isn't it the SHAPE extension that allows Kjofol to do funky shaped skins? Isn't that what oclock and xeyes has been doing since at least 1992 or so?

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    1. Re:Kjofol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but when has a /. post ever been checked for accuracy?

    2. Re:Kjofol by augros · · Score: 1

      of course you're absolutely right. sorry, wasn't thinking when i was typing. kinda like the guy who thinks his mule is pregnant. gosh, that's a little embarrassing since i'm heavily using SHAPE in my current development. RENDER is only for anti-aliased fonts, alpha blending and soon other geometric thingies (polygons i think). oops.

    3. Re:Kjofol by mini+me · · Score: 1

      I've never used Kjofol under X, but I'm assuming it uses render to make the program's edges anti-aliased instead of the hard shapes seen in programs like xeyes.

  5. Enlighten me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enlighten me as to what that 'screenshot' is supposed to prove. I see one window which appears to have only the window border and no innards with the window behind it showing. That's considered progress?

    1. Re:Enlighten me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for KDE users, try the mosfet-liquid theme. it offers translucent menus and very well coordinated and practical color scheme. i'll never change to another theme again.

    2. Re:Enlighten me by augros · · Score: 1

      those are unfortunately not TRUE translucent menus -- which are however good enough for menus. you see, that theme merely takes a screenshot of the desktop and alpha blends it with the image of the menu to be laid down. since menus are override-redirect there is little chance of the background changing while they are there, which creates the illusion of transparency. (try running an xterm listing out a VERY long file, or compiling somthing, behind it. it won't seem so see-through anymore. the RENDER extension is working on this.

    3. Re:Enlighten me by augros · · Score: 2, Informative

      no, i submitted a different screenshot on the same site. how /. screwed it up i'll be darned if i know. check out the REAL screenshot at http://www.eax.com/render/screen.png

  6. xterm -fa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to hear more about "-fa", which is new to me. It appears that my xterm ("XFree86 4.0.2(151)") supports it, but it's not documented, even in the output from "xterm -h". Also, I seem to get a courier font regardless of the fontname I specify with "-fa".

    BTW, what's k-jofol? I think there should be a link there.

  7. mozilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what really pisses me off that Mozilla still does not support AA-Text (yeah, there is a gdk-xft patch but not for Galeon...)

    interesting question: why is the AA-Text with Linux so blurry? Windows looks way better!

    I can't believe that it is soooo hard to do a reasonable AA (no aa between 8-14px, only AA the "round" places and not simply blur the whole letter which looks awful)

    any comments on this?

    1. Re:mozilla by pdh11 · · Score: 1
      I can't believe that it is soooo hard to do a reasonable AA (no aa between 8-14px, only AA the "round" places and not simply blur the whole letter which looks awful)

      any comments on this?

      It probably depends what you're used to. To me, whole-letter blurring looks "right" and Windows' blurring of the round places looks "wrong". And 8-14px is exactly when I want the text anti-aliased!

      Peter