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Vulnerabilities in FreeBSD

flynn_nrg writes: "O'Reilly has an interesting article about vulnerabilities in common programs found on most FreeBSD boxes. From the article: "Welcome to Security Alerts, an overview of recent Unix and open source security advisories. In this column, we look at buffer overflows in OpenSSH, Squid, Listar/Ecartis, slrnpull, and IRIX's syslogd; problems in Sudo, MHonArc, and Mosix; and a local root hole and denial-of-service attack vulnerability in FreeBSD.""

63 comments

  1. A real treatment of why this is true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    This is not a troll, but flame-bait-hungry moderators will probably not read it thoroughly or the context, but here it goes. It's now TRUE. BSD is dying. Ask Wind River systems how much money the make off of BSD/OS (the only stable BSD SMP implementation I have found but other than that the total lack of SMP is also VERY, VERY convenient [facetious]! BSD is coherent, it is the father of much good in the world (including real and legible MAN pages), but aside from OpenBSD, I see almost no future. I called Wind River about BSD/OS, they don't have EVAL versions of the OS, and their sales people *stink* at trying to sell it. They actually suggest VXWORKS as an alternative. Unreal. tools. You can mark me as a troll, wrongly claim BSD and OS X are synonymous when in reality Darwin OS is a very, very (useless) and loose approximation of BSD. I wanted Darwin, I wanted OS X for x86, but neither are worth crap. BeOS supported more hardware than Darwin. I think it is pathetic that Steve Jobs (who could not accept the fact that NeXT failed MISERABLY) kyboshed BeOS in favor of Darwin and then didn't ram the spear up Bill Gate's empire.
    Quote JORDAN:
    Another reason, and I hate to say this but it probably needs saying, is that being in core is honestly not what it once was. For a old-timer like myself, who was used to a core team that was far more cohesive and generally on the same page, it's simply a painful experience a lot of the time. Perhaps this is due to overly rose-colored recollections of the old core on my part, and I do certainly recall us having more than our share of disagreement and inefficiency in the past, but on the balance core still feels too much like the pre-WWII Polish Parliament sometimes, where we're fully capable of arguing some issue right up to the point where tanks are rolling through the front door and rendering the whole debate somewhat moot. I'm also not blaming this on the democratic model we've adopted, a stance which would be hypocritical at best since I'm one of the folks who argued strongly in favor of it, but I guess it's going to take a few more iterations before we get it right. It will also probably be a lot easier for truly new people who don't have a lot of preconceived notions of what core is to make that happen.

    Well, that is certainly poetic. Sounds like the tanks already rushed in and crushed the skulls of BSD. Yeah, we hear whiners claim Darwin is BSD, bull. Darwin on both PPC and even more so on x86 is *completely* un-usable, and you people damn right well know it. Mark me as a troll, you can, deny the truth you will (to use a Yoda-ism, death to G. Lucas) You know it. If you don't buy a MAC, an overpriced hack at a PC (whatever happened to acceptance of the superior Fire Wire [I love Fire Wire, but its only now starting to appear on motherboards after USB 1 and even 2.0 have been on for a while], almost ZILCH compared to USB, also, try and find a NuBUS card, let alone a slot - interesting how PCI killed off ALL the Apple busses), then you are screwed when it comes to Apple UNIX. I wish Apple would stop being a WHIMP and port to x86, but it seems apparent they do not have the intelligence present to PORT an OS to x86 (geeze, of all the oddest, off the wall undocumented architectures ever [facetious]. Yeah, right. Must be tuff.). Who would have thought? Well, I would have.

    I've tried so many operating systems to date, and I always found most BSD variants completely annoying to install, to deal with. I so like OpenBSD, and, even though it is a rip off, I like BSDI. The rest of the variants to me are lame excuses for Linux. Pain in the ass. Ports are ALWAYS out of date, the "package" system is a laugh, the use-ability of the operating system is FAR less, ESPECIALLY OUT OF THE BOX, than any other OS. That is the truth. Well, except some garbage commercial Unixes, but who expect anything from them. GNU + Linux needs to be improved upon or flat out BEATEN, not annoyed with these horse-fly-like fragmented binary-incompatible bomblets of a dead operating system hatched in the brialliant but CLEARLY DISTURBED foundries at BEZERKELY UNIVERSITY INC (c) . (SAYS Uncle Sam, "I WANT YOU, TO GET REAL")

    Remember folks, UNIX vendors are killing Unix. I piss on Microsoft, but they can sell SHIT far better than UNIX vendors can sell GOLD. IBM is dumping AIX in favor of Linux, what a surprise (They are writing JFS, POSIX THREADS 2.0, and lots of NUMA for Linux, not BSD, all you BSD loons take a note of that).. Solaris has only one thing Linux doesn't have, good scalable SMP. Other than that Solaris is a flaming dog-pile, I know, I have seen it in action. HP-UX is trash, lovingly known as HOCKEY PUX (and also verifiably impossible to port to and compile stuff on), they also killed the only REAL competitor to Micro$0pht Exchange, OpenMAIL. Now OpenMAIL is a dead end Samsung product and it sucks. Mark me as a troll, you are vastly uninformed if you do, but I have actually administered OpenMAIL and have tried it relabeled from Samsung. Worth noting, I never saw OpenMAIL working on anything else besides Linux. Thanks Carly, you for killing over the only good Unix based mail MTA. Lets rip into SGI. Ha ha ha ha. The only remnant holdover of that vendor is re-appearing in Linux as XFS. The rest of that garbage in IRIX is easily DEPRECATED in favor of a GNU OS. At least stupid Sun gets giving out a free OS. You can't even try BSD/OS. It's the only BSD of interest and Wind River is killing it. The rest of the BSDs are so far behind Linux in terms of scalability it's not even funny. I wish IPF was ported to Linux, I wish Linux was a better networker, it surely has room to grow, but there is nothing, nothing, nothing compelling ANYONE to develop anything for BSD. Its dead. I gets things back-ported from Linux. The only BSD worth anything is OPENBSD,. Theo is God, the rest of that whole project is shit. It's a moot, embedded only OS barely useable as a workstation OS.

    So all you flaming hippie scum get behind Linux, because Apple is going to screw BSD in the rump, this is the first step, cut the chicken's head off [pry Jordan from FreeBSD]. Apple is dead ending their fork of *BSD, we know it. It won't be ported. Its sole purpose it to be eye candy for Mac zealots (boy, using an industrial grade Unix OS and Kernel for displaying EYE CANDY - that's "THINKING SMART"????). Believe you me, if Intel died tomorrow, Microsoft would move *fast* to support the next best platform. Look at the boot Intel got in the balls when Microsoft recently licked Hammer's (Opeteron's) nuts instead of Itanic Itanium.

    Yep thanks to Apple, the de-facto "BSD" (BSD being used LOOSELY) implementation now consists almost entirely of closed source software (at least the useful user stuff, Darwin is UN-USEABLE unto itself - pathetic). Thanks to Apple, software that might have once run on Linux or FreeBSD will now only run on OS X thanks to their proprietary GUI! Thanks again Apple! Oh and thanks for that port of QuickTime to FreeBSD too, Apple! Not!

    You better hope IBM buys out the now Defunct Sun, fixes up Java so it doesn't totally SUCK, throws out all the garbage that is named Solaris and SPARC, and makes a serious attempt at dominating the market. Otherwise, it won't be BSD dying as a troll, it will be UNIX having serious R&D funding problems. The party will end if big corporation abandon Unix, and oh, yes, it *can* happen. I sure hope it doesn't.

    Sure mod me as a troll. Do it. But facts are facts. Apple BSD is a niche. *BSD is losing market share. OpenBSD is awesome, but very, very niche. Linux is being underwritten by IBM, Sun (through Cobalt, which is *pathetic). HP/Compaq are also earnestly supporting Linux, not BSD. The writing is on the wall, folks. Sniff some glue.

    Mac OS X is to BSD what Windows XP is to VMS. Faintly related, but they're so radically different they're nothing but cousins. Sorry, BSD is dying, Mac OS is flyin' [for the PPC ONLY, pathetic Apple can only re-use software, not make new stuff, so the recycle NeXT, close source the meat and potatoes, and force its ZEALOT community to buy into a *PATHETIC* rendition of the PPC - Gee, thanks MOTOROLA.). Oh yea, and System V has a larger installed base than BSD (Probably Solaris alone, the piece of crap that it is, covers this).

    QUOTH a BSD Zealot, "So far, I haven't had a single good reason to choose Linux over FreeBSD."

    QUOTE a far wiser man, "Vendor support. Oracle on FreeBSD? NO., Well. You can kind of run it, but Oracle only supports it for the major UNIXes--and Linux. You'll find that for almost all commercial software. And what about hardware? Those shiny new Dell PowerEdge and Compaq DL*'s actually work with Linux, because their developers have put time into writing drivers & contributing the source back into the kernel tree. Once you get vendors on board, it's game over. *See Microsoft. (Ode to a Foolish Zealot)

    BSD IS DYING. Knowing now what I just told you, read it and see the humor. It may not be entirely true, but its FUNNY. I think BSD use will continue to drop steadily.
    It is now official: *BSD is dying
    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. Coupled with the sudden departure of FreeBSD's main designer, all that remains is the eulogy.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
    Fact: *BSD is dying

    I am a *BSD user
    and I try hard to be brave
    That is a tall order
    *BSD's foot is in the grave.

    I tap at my toy keyboard
    and whistle a cheerful tune
    but keeping happy is so hard,
    *BSD will be dead soon.

    Each day I wake and softly sob
    Nightfall finds me crying
    Not only am I a zit faced slob
    but *BSD is dying.


    Sure this is half troll, half truth, but be open minded and see some writing on the wall.

    The core of OS X is Mach with some stuff mostly from the early 80s BSD tapes. The FreeBSD stuff is only used in user space. Even though OS X is mostly a relic of the late 1980s, it has a substantially more modern design than FreeBSD. NeXT and the rest of the Unix world took what they needed from Berkeley Unix and moved on a long time ago. Hubbard's a smart guy, so it probably didn't take too long at Apple before he figured out which way the winds were blowing.
    1. Re:A real treatment of why this is true. by PD · · Score: 2

      Hmmm. Let me consider that again. Yup. I am quite sure that it WAS a troll. Besides the overused of the bold tag, the author used the word Berzerkeley. Definitely a troll.

      In any case, a few security bugs can't kill an OS. Windows would be dead a hundred times if that were true.

    2. Re:A real treatment of why this is true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
      Bullshit that's a troll. Moderators, do you know how to read? It seems like an opinion to me, and it seems on topic.

      About the Berkeley comment, the people there can go Bezerk. I've seen some shit down there that is completely unacceptable. Luckily, all my friends from that place have jobs and are successful and are not prone to being communists, but some of the people, particularly the coke bottle eyeglass freaks who never worked or paid taxes can get a little annoying at times. Its a good school with a reputation it does and doesn't deserve. If it was pure C.S., it would be a lot closer to perfect, the rest of the ancillary stuff is fucking cruft - the liberals there are the useless types who never get jobs and sit in Starbucks pretending to do shit about the world.

      A Haiku to commemorate this:
      Crack smoke wafts through air
      Humorless moderator
      Why do you hate me?


      By the way, Noel Davis is such a troll, check out his other FUD lies (legit link at bottom). Slashdot, and its moderators, is a mobocracy, not a meritocracy, with mob like knee jerk reactions prevailing over REASONABLE opinions. Lame.


      Noel Davis noeld@rootprompt.org

      Noel Davis is a Unix system administrator. He has been using Linux for more than six years and working as a system administrator for more than five years.

      Note, 5 years experience in UNIX is *nothing*, and we all know this. Certainly not qualified to be quipping OP-EDS that carry any weight whatsoever. Its almost as bad as MCSE's running around architecting networks.
    3. Re:A real treatment of why this is true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good for you. please stop using the bsds. that means more bandwidth for me when i go to do installs (speaking of which, you are a complete ass if you think they are confusing).

      oh, and don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

    4. Re:A real treatment of why this is true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never said I couldn't install it.

      I never said I couldn't use them either, I use OpenBSD.

      If you think *BSD has a solid future, get off the crack, whore. Need more bandwidth during installs? There is already unlimited bandwidth. You are the bottleneck. No one can use this shit and for no good reason. GNU has so much traction. I would give HURD a better shot at making big gains that *BSD. When I think of a BSD kernel, I first think, archaic, then I think, WHY?

      You are a sexless complete ass, and fuck your little snarky door hitting the ass on the way out. I'll fucking kick your fucking ass, you little nerdy shit. I'd love to meet you when you aren't fucking sitting there behind your little keyboard behind your ancient CRT (no way you have a flat panel, snark Shitheads like you cant afford them.) and see how much of a wise ass you really are in real fucking life. I'll bet you are a skinny, smelly fucking loser.

      Get bent, you sexless fuckstick.

  2. Proof!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Proof that *BSD is Dying!!

  3. FreeBSD vulnerabilities? by rsidd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article covered two vulnerabilities specific to FreeBSD, a few in third party programs which apply to all platforms (the article itself makes no reference to FreeBSD), and some vulnerabilities (mosix, IRIX syslogd) which are specific to other platforms (Linux and IRIX respectively) and have nothing whatever to do with FreeBSD
    So how does that make it an article on FreeBSD vulnerabilities?

    1. Re:FreeBSD vulnerabilities? by JoeWalsh · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm thinking the "BSD Is Dying" trolls bribed the /. editors to put this up.

    2. Re:FreeBSD vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So how does that make it an article on FreeBSD vulnerabilities?

      Simple.

      1. Take a bunch of vulnerable applications.
      2. Compile them on FreeBSD.
      3. Profit.

    3. Re:FreeBSD vulnerabilities? by jo42 · · Score: -1, Troll

      Nah, the rancid butt smoking fa'gits that run this hole got all jealous of FreeBSD. Panties got bunched up and one of them dreamed this FUD up. Farkin' an' ice'a'holes. Cork'a smokin' a bastages!

    4. Re:FreeBSD vulnerabilities? by rakjr · · Score: 3, Informative

      The title is 100% FUD. It might as well have been titled "All nixes full of security holes. MS to make $$$. It is not the kind of thing I expect out of O'Rielly. I am also surprised it was posted here on /. The article is out of date relative to the fixes. It would be one thing if after all this time, there were still no fixes. I think the article should be pulled from /. it is of no value. Anyone who manages a system should have fixes the mentioned problems long ago. It was just a catchy title with no thought or substance.

      --
      In a place beyond time and space, in a land far better than this, look for me there...
    5. Re:FreeBSD vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the "BSD Is Dying" trolls WERE the editors?

    6. Re:FreeBSD vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong!

      This is the correct version of your process:

      1. Take a bunch of vulnerable applications.
      2. Compile them on FreeBSD.
      3. ???
      4. Profit.

  4. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is official; Ntcraft confirms: *SD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

  5. please ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    what timothy forgot to mention is that the freebsd group had already released patches before posting this article. i guess he could have actually gone out and checked, but alas, this is /. ... home of editors that don't give a shit

    go on, mod me down

  6. grain of salt ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look at the other articles he has written

    http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/103

    telling us shit we already knew about 2 weeks before he wrote about it

    FUD: 1
    True: 0

  7. Lame Article by smnolde · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gee, just two FreeBSD vulnerabilities in that article.... I run several FreeBSD workstations and servers and neither of them would be affected because it's easy to workaround those problems and equally simple to track -STABLE.

    Ever get into rpm hell on a redhat box? Debian might be a little better, but still, Debian is barely more than a kernel from being FreeBSD. FreeBSD is infinitely simpler to tailor to your needs and manage than any other *nix system I've tried.

    This article doesn't discourage me a bit, since fixes for the mentioned vulnerabilities were available so soon after the announcements. I absolutely love FreeBSD for all me needs and encourage other to install and learn it.

    1. Re:Lame Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its kind of sad that so few people seem to
      understand the open source community. The bugs
      are old. They are not BSD specific(except 2).
      Anybody running BSD probably knows his or her
      stuff and checks security problems on a regular
      basis.
      Sounds like the writer needed some lunch money.
      O'Reilly must be really hard up.
      Unlike Microsoft the open source community embraces
      its faults and posts every single bug and security
      threat as soon as ANYONE finds a problem. The
      reason a big deal is made about problems on microsoft
      software is that the doors are closed and until
      you pay your little fee, or the problem is a threat
      to microsofts monopoly NOONE knows there
      was a problem except the blackHATS.
      Running OpenBSD here.

    2. Re:Lame Article by Abnormal+Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I was wondering what you mean by "Debian is barely more than a kernel".

      Don't know if your refering to the same debian that I know. The debian I know is project (ran by volulteers) to develiver a very high qaulity Operating System accoss a number of diffrent platforms. Presently the main flavour of debian 'GNU/Linux', but theres others in the work.

      Debian is pretty damn easy to configure to your needs, and doesn't do nasty things (can I say Yast from SuSE) like overwriting config files you have edited directly.

      Agreed the article pretty much covers all *nix's, and from what I can see most, if not all of the vulnerabilities have been fixed allready ...

    3. Re:Lame Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should this be modded down as a troll, it was only correcting the orginal statment of debian is barely more than a kernel which is incorrect.

    4. Re:Lame Article by smnolde · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps I made myself unclear by leaving a word out. My original statement should have read to the effecct that "debian is little more than a kernel away from being FreeBSD...".

      I was trying to complement the debian project since I've heard so many good things about it's automation and package management. At the same time, I believe it's the FreeBSD of the GNU/Linux world.

      I still like FreeBSD and will desperately avoid having to administer a RedHat box again.

    5. Re:Lame Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
      Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

      The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

    6. Re:Lame Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Then how come I know of people who are ditching freebsd for linux because of the lack of easy patching? The BSD license is one of the reasons Microsoft is were it is today and I won't run any OS that helps M$.

    7. Re:Lame Article by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 1

      haha wtf, how did this get modded up.

      FreeBSD ports/package isn't even in competition with linux anything. It's about 500 years ahead of the game.

      frends don't let friends mod trolls up.

      --
      I live in a giant bucket.
  8. Oh, come on. Please? I Promise I won't do it again by Rampant+Atrocity · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

  9. Elegy for FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Iam a *BSD user
    and I try hard to be brave
    That is a tall order
    *BSD's foot is in the grave.

    I tap at my toy keyboard
    and whistle a cheerful tune
    but keeping happy is s hard,
    *BSD will be dead soon.

    Each dayI wake and softly sob
    Nightfall finds me crying
    Not only am I a zit faced slob
    but *BSD is dying.
  10. an anal introduction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Anal sex is still considered taboo in many societies as it is usually labeled a gay practice and widely associated with sexually transmitted diseases. However, anal eroticism is probably the oldest manifestation of human sexuality and a very misunderstood sexual practice. For example, in ancient Peruvian cultures, at least half of all married couples indulged in anal intercourse in their lovemaking experiences. In addition, a more recent survey of 5000 married couples in rural Brazil found that in 40% of households, anal sex is regularly included in the lovemaking experience. Furthermore, in Rio de Janeiro, the figure is even higher at around 50%. These figures are high mostly because the couples want to avoid pregnancy, contact with menstrual blood or injury to the hymen before marriage. But there is surely more to anal sex than questions of contraception and chastity. Today, with modern and efficient contraceptive tools and early sexual experiences, anal sex is practiced for pleasure. In North America, Redbook Magazine surveyed 100,000 married women on their anal sex practices. Here is what the survey said: - 43% of married women have tried anal intercourse. - Of these, 40% found it somewhat or very enjoyable. - 49% didn't like it. - And 10% had no particular feelings one-way or the other (no pun intended). So anal sex isn't a rare practice amongst North American couples; it is something many women have tried. There are a few things to consider before engaging in anal sex with your partner. Both partners have to consent to the experience; it must be done in a smooth and delicate manner; and proper protection is required. In general, men are willing to try intercourse from behind (in her behind, relax), but they will usually have to convince their female partners into trying it. Getting your partner to try it will take some convincing because initially, the experience may be repelling as well as painful. So how do you do it? It is recommended to build up to anal sex by trying anal stimulation prior to full penetration. For most people, the anal area is an important erogenous zone as it is believed that stimulation of that area can be very pleasurable. However, the rectum is also very delicate and must be approached with tact. The easiest way to stimulate the anus is by merely rubbing your partner there during intercourse or whilst performing oral sex. Slowly massage the area with your cleansed and nail-trimmed fingers and see how your partner reacts. If she seems comfortable with the idea, then explore a little further (and deeper).

  11. wow... by tcc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    only 2?

    Heck, I'm waiting for my Service pack 3 for win2k to apply the 14 pages of hotfix and security patch automatically to my newer systems without having to reload the windowsupdate/rebooting 3 times (explorer 5.5sp2, reboot, security roolup jan 2002, reboot and finally the critical, and that doesn't include post-sp2 hotfixes that aren't "critical").

    No wonder I am considering FreeBSD for my email server, yeah it'll need maintenance and security, yes I hate the overhead and everything is so much simpler in windows, that I have to give it to microsoft, but GOD, I don't want to reboot a zillion time after applying patches every week, heck, I don't want to apply patches every week :).

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    1. Re:wow... by Arandir · · Score: 1

      Overhead? What overhead? Or where you referring to the overhead of running an email server under Windows.

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    2. Re:wow... by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

      overhead?

      nah mate, I never even touch mine

      uptime :
      7:03AM up 36 days, 16:49, 5 users

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    3. Re:wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I may be badly in need of an update, but this is an internal-use box.

      FreeBSD 4.0-20000717-STABLE (___ROUTER) #0: Tue Jul 18 17:46:16 CDT 2000

      $ uptime
      2:37AM up 642 days, 7:40, 3 users, load averages: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00

    4. Re:wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Err.. piece of advice: the MS IE SP2 (for applicable all OS's, inc 5.5, 5.0 (98/2000/NT) has .. interesting.. flaws, especially if you're using SSL.

      Along the lines of: When your login works for IE (5.0,5.5; no SP - all OSs), IE SP1 (5.0, 5.5; all OSs), IE 6 and NOT IE SP2 (on any OS or version (SP2 being the problem), you take it as a subtle hint that the SP2 isn't just a 'fix'... like most M$ Service packs: It fixes a lot of things.. and breaks others.

  12. Re:Oh, come on. Please? I Promise I won't do it ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BSD is dead. Long live BSD.

    What a loser.

  13. Fatal troubles for *BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Sure, we all know that *BSD is a failure, but why? Why did *BSD fal? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all knw *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

    The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting glom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

  14. *BSD is living by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is living!

    Another piece of great news hit the already prosperous *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has risen yet again, now up to more than of 18 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has gained more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is growing in complete unity, as fittingly exemplified by coming dead first in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a superb future. In fact there will be a wonderful future for *BSD because *BSD is living. Things are looking very good for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to gain market share. Black ink flows like a river of cash. FreeBSD is the most successful of them all, having acquired 93% more core developers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 70000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 2 to 1. Therefore there are about 70000/2 = 35000 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 15000 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (70000+35000+7000)*4 = 448000 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the success of Walnut Creek, excellent sales and so on, FreeBSD became a viable business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another popular OS. Now BSDI is also growing, its success acquired by yet another software house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily increased in market share. *BSD is very strong and its long term survival prospects are very good. If *BSD is to keep growing it will be among those who appreciate solid, fast and well-engineered OSes. *BSD continues to succeed. Nothing short of a miracle could kill it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is here for good.

    Fact: *BSD is living

    1. Re:*BSD is living by redhatbox · · Score: 1


      Dear God, this is the funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life, so help me Theo.

      Although I post this from a Linux box, I had to take a moment to gaze fondly upon my OpenBSD server in the corner :).

      I'm only torn on whether this should be "+5 Funny" or "+5 Insightful". Truly a prime example of geek wit at its finest, in any event...

  15. Oh dear, my FreeBSD box is insecure... by Thornae · · Score: 4, Informative
    Better fix that:


    #cvsup /etc/cvsupfile
    #cd /usr/src
    #make buildworld
    #make installworld

    There. I feel much safer now.

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    Here be Dragons
    1. Re:Oh dear, my FreeBSD box is insecure... by OpperNerd · · Score: 3, Informative

      should be

      #cvsup /etc/cvsupfile
      #cd /usr/src
      #make buildworld
      #make buildkernel && make installkernel
      #mergemaster
      #make installworld

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    2. Re:Oh dear, my FreeBSD box is insecure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, you don't merge by hand? (=

      No, you got me, I forgot about mergemaster. Still, considering that I'm something of a neophyte wrt FreeBSD, you've gotta love that upgrading is that easy that I can almost get it right from memory...

      And for the ac telling me I really should use sudo, I know, but I'm slack, and I'm going to eventually get around to learning op instead.

  16. Almost forgot... by Thornae · · Score: 2
    Nearly missed one of the other vulns on the list.

    #portupgrade sudo

    Now I'm done.

    (Not that I use sudo, but it's there for completeness)
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    1. Re:Almost forgot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Not that I use sudo...

      You really should.

    2. Re:Almost forgot... by ChocoboKnight · · Score: 3, Informative

      Everybody should try "man jail". A chroot on steroids, go on, try it. You won't be disappointed.

  17. haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    helicopter crash
    dead flesh stinking putrid flesh
    freebsd death

  18. Linux has becoming more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I used to be a big Linux advocate, unfortunately it seems that Linux has been becoming more and more unstable. The hundreds of different distributions of Linux all have their pros and cons, but there is no centralised package or ports system. Want a package for Linux ? Ok, cool - DEB, RPM? RPM? That's the most popular. But don't try using a Mandrake RPM or a SuSE RPM on RedHat.
    Linux has given up its usefulness for graphical installers and Windowesque gimmicks. The code bloat is unbelievable. Unless you roll out your own distribution or use a minimalist distribution like Slackware, the default installs for RedHat, Mandrake, etc are huge, Windows-like monstrosities.

    So what?, I hear you say. Linux is stable and secure. Wrong again. The Lion worm proved that Linux is not as secure as one might believe. The fact that VMs get changed in the middle of a stable release branch (2.4.x) shows bad organization.

    It took Linux years to overcome its awful filesystem problems, and now journalling filesystems are available. But speedwise, compared to the FreeBSD FFS, they are slow and cumbersome, and have yet to prove as reliable. FFS Softlinks are a few generations ahead of any journalling filesystem on the market.

    FreeBSD is far better organized, the ports and packages collections are better synced and more reliable, the system is more stable and easier to understand. The firewall included with FreeBSD has been proven and has a far better track record than ipchains or iptables, the latter having security problems in its first week or release, the former having no stately inspection and being a complete mess due to its shell-script bound layout.

    But Linux has more software than FreeBSD!, scream the Linux die-hards. What they fail to realize is that 99% of Linux software runs under FreeBSD. I haven't encountered a Linux program that didn't run under FreeBSD. Sure, I've heard reports by trolls that certain software doesn't work, but all the software I've tried works, in fact, even faster than the native Linux versions in most cases. To the VMWare troll: Yes, VMWare does work under FreeBSD.

    FreeBSD vs Linux is a debate that won't ever be settled, but people who have used both generally prefer FreeBSD for mission-critical tasks. Those who claim that FreeBSD performs worse than Linux either haven't used FreeBSD or are trolls.

    I won't say that FreeBSD is the best Unix variant on the market, but the best open source Unix variant? Yes. Solaris is still tops, but in terms of Free (Open Source) systems, FreeBSD is probably the best all-rounder. NetBSD, OpenBSD and Linux all have their respective places, but overall, FreeBSD will probably take over most of the open source server market, at least in organizations with serious management.

    1. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by boltar · · Score: 1

      FreeBSD may have a faster filesystem but it has MUCH slower graphics than linux even when running
      Xfree 4. I have no idea why but on my dual boot machine the X server on 4.5 runs at about 50% the
      speed of the same server on linux.

    2. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      solaris???
      come on bro
      you mean slowaris
      we all know solaris is dieing right now
      solaris has lost a lot of market
      plus java is slowing down too

    3. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. "Much slower graphics"? Uhh. Take a look at your hardware, not your OS. Lamer.

      You probably base this on your GeForce 4 128 card in the linux box and a 256k EISA card in the FreeBSD box.

    4. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by cyr · · Score: 1

      He did say "dual boot", which kind of implies he was talking about the same box...

    5. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by cyr · · Score: 1

      In the Linux world it is up to the distribution makers to deliver a stable system that suits your needs. The development of the kernel and various software takes place a high speed and often in several directions at the same time. I believe that diversity and choice are good things, but you should rely on the cutting edge stuff for mission critical tasks.

    6. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but you should rely on the cutting edge stuff for mission critical tasks. "

      Surely you meant "shouldn't rely on the cutting edge stuff for mission critical tasks"...

      Maybe it's just me, but a kernel being developed in "several directions at the same time" doesn't sound too appealing.

    7. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by boltar · · Score: 1

      Read what I wrote you clueless fuckwit. They're on the same machine! Dual boot, hello??? Moron.

    8. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      odd, I seem to have never noticed this.

      are you using the exact same options at compile time?

      Oh whats that, you couldn't compile it on linux cause you were missing about 501 libraries that you would have had to hunt down? isn't that too bad...

    9. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess what pple are conveying here is partly
      right,Linux is bcoming more and more unstable,

      Reasons may be as under
      - Too many distributions
      - Except the kernel (being common),the other visual gimmicks are making Linux un-controllable
      - Far too many package formats like DEB,RPM etc
      - Far too many window managers like kde,gnome etc

      How to make Linux more stable,reliable and fast
      - Have a common linux consortium like,UNIX98 for *IXs and alike
      - Since RH,Mandrake etal companies are in money-making business,one can't have control over no of distributions, try to somehow go for a consortium so that there are fewer but solid distributions. Like merge RH/Mandrake/Debian etcetc.(Which is unlikely :0 )
      - Last but not the least,go for a common package format taking the best of better distribution package formats.

    10. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a close friend that has run Linux and actually learned most of his UNIX type knowledge on FreeBSD and had used FreeBSD long before he had ever used Linux -- he has installed FreeBSD on 3 different machines of mine -- on every one Linux has actually turned out to be faster than FreeBSD...Some of this has been known issues with SMP and such -- but there was still significant slowdowns on single processor boxes. Most of this turned out to be hardware issues -- If FreeBSD
      hardware support ever catches up to linux I might
      try again...but right now it is easier to install
      a bloated RedHat or Mandrake and then systematically strip the junk... rpm -e --nodeps does work -- compiling your own stuff with just a
      redhat base install works better...

    11. Re:Linux has becoming more and more unstable by Shanep · · Score: 2

      The average user of FreeBSD does'nt really care about GUI speed.

      My smb/afp/lpd/web proxy server runs FreeBSD. Suffice to say, it does not even have a video card, mouse or even keyboard for that matter.

      However, does your video card require AGP extensions to opperate at full speed in XF86?

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  19. Linux has become more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I used to be a big Linux advocate, unfortunately it seems that Linux has been becoming more and more unstable. The hundreds of different distributions of Linux all have their pros and cons, but there is no centralised package or ports system. Want a package for Linux ? Ok, cool - DEB, RPM? RPM? That's the most popular. But don't try using a Mandrake RPM or a SuSE RPM on RedHat. Linux has given up its usefulness for graphical installers and Windowesque gimmicks. The code bloat is unbelievable. Unless you roll out your own distribution or use a minimalist distribution like Slackware, the default installs for RedHat, Mandrake, etc are huge, Windows-like monstrosities.

    So what?, I hear you say. Linux is stable and secure. Wrong again. The Lion worm proved that Linux is not as secure as one might believe. The fact that VMs get changed in the middle of a stable release branch (2.4.x) shows bad organization.

    It took Linux years to overcome its awful filesystem problems, and now journalling filesystems are available. But speedwise, compared to the FreeBSD FFS, they are slow and cumbersome, and have yet to prove as reliable. FFS Softlinks are a few generations ahead of any journalling filesystem on the market.

    FreeBSD is far better organized, the ports and packages collections are better synced and more reliable, the system is more stable and easier to understand. The firewall included with FreeBSD has been proven and has a far better track record than ipchains or iptables, the latter having security problems in its first week or release, the former having no stately inspection and being a complete mess due to its shell-script bound layout.

    But Linux has more software than FreeBSD!, scream the Linux die-hards. What they fail to realize is that 99% of Linux software runs under FreeBSD. I haven't encountered a Linux program that didn't run under FreeBSD. Sure, I've heard reports by trolls that certain software doesn't work, but all the software I've tried works, in fact, even faster than the native Linux versions in most cases. To the VMWare troll: Yes, VMWare does work under FreeBSD.

    FreeBSD vs Linux is a debate that won't ever be settled, but people who have used both generally prefer FreeBSD for mission-critical tasks. Those who claim that FreeBSD performs worse than Linux either haven't used FreeBSD or are trolls.

    I won't say that FreeBSD is the best Unix variant on the market, but the best open source Unix variant? Yes. Solaris is still tops, but in terms of Free (Open Source) systems, FreeBSD is probably the best all-rounder. NetBSD, OpenBSD and Linux all have their respective places, but overall, FreeBSD will probably take over most of the open source server market, at least in organizations with serious management.

  20. Linux has become more and more unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I used to be a big Linux advocate, unfortunately it seems that Linux has been becoming more and more unstable. The hundreds of different distributions of Linux all have their pros and cons, but there is no centralised package or ports system. Want a package for Linux ? Ok, cool - DEB, RPM? RPM? That's the most popular. But don't try using a Mandrake RPM or a SuSE RPM on RedHat.

    Linux has given up its usefulness for graphical installers and Windowesque gimmicks. The code bloat is unbelievable. Unless you roll out your own distribution or use a minimalist distribution like Slackware, the default installs for RedHat, Mandrake, etc are huge, Windows-like monstrosities.

    So what?, I hear you say. Linux is stable and secure. Wrong again. The Lion worm proved that Linux is not as secure as one might believe. The fact that VMs get changed in the middle of a stable release branch (2.4.x) shows bad organization.

    It took Linux years to overcome its awful filesystem problems, and now journalling filesystems are available. But speedwise, compared to the FreeBSD FFS, they are slow and cumbersome, and have yet to prove as reliable. FFS Softlinks are a few generations ahead of any journalling filesystem on the market.

    FreeBSD is far better organized, the ports and packages collections are better synced and more reliable, the system is more stable and easier to understand. The firewall included with FreeBSD has been proven and has a far better track record than ipchains or iptables, the latter having security problems in its first week or release, the former having no stately inspection and being a complete mess due to its shell-script bound layout.

    But Linux has more software than FreeBSD!, scream the Linux die-hards. What they fail to realize is that 99% of Linux software runs under FreeBSD. I haven't encountered a Linux program that didn't run under FreeBSD. Sure, I've heard reports by trolls that certain software doesn't work, but all the software I've tried works, in fact, even faster than the native Linux versions in most cases. To the VMWare troll: Yes, VMWare does work under FreeBSD.

    FreeBSD vs Linux is a debate that won't ever be settled, but people who have used both generally prefer FreeBSD for mission-critical tasks. Those who claim that FreeBSD performs worse than Linux either haven't used FreeBSD or are trolls.

    I won't say that FreeBSD is the best Unix variant on the market, but the best open source Unix variant? Yes. Solaris is still tops, but in terms of Free (Open Source) systems, FreeBSD is probably the best all-rounder. NetBSD, OpenBSD and Linux all have their respective places, but overall, FreeBSD will probably take over most of the open source server market, at least in organizations with serious management.

  21. OT: Hotmail FreeBSD migration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default. asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/case/ hotmail/default.asp

    Has the conversion from freeBSD to w2k been successful?
    Microsoft seems to think so.

  22. Why did FreeBSD fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    So why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

    The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

  23. haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    helicopter crash
    dead flesh stinking charred flesh
    freebsd death

  24. I have seen the light www.gentoo.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    www.gentoo.org

  25. especially Timothy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who constantly posts bullshit/FUD

  26. IRIX patch released 18 months ago by rasper99 · · Score: 1

    The patch to fix the IRIX problem was included in the standard IRIX maintenance patches that were released 18 months ago. I would hope if someone had a system on the internet they would patch it more often than every 18 months.