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China Cracks Down on Non-Compliant Internet Bars

phreak404 writes: "According to this article on CNN.com, over 197 bars were closed for apparently violating licensing laws that require bars to censor content."

31 comments

  1. sad by Vodak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many people would be angered about this story because China is screwing it's people and blocking things they don't feel good for thier people. At least in China they aren't bitching about freedom of speech \and at the same time writting crap like DMCA/CIPA/LOL/CPA/PATRIOT. Understand I still don't think this content blocking is good or correct I'm just lossing faith in all governments as of late.

    1. Re:sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And bitching on slashdot will help how, exactly?

    2. Re:sad by Vodak · · Score: 1

      It's not a help. I'm simply venting.

    3. Re:sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the goverment owned media at China always state openly that they speak for the party. They call them the "throat and mouth of the party".

      Ok, some sites are blocked. Big deal. Most Chinese people focus on how to keep their jobs. Why would they care about those blocked sites if they can not find job openings there?

  2. in case it gets slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    SHANGHAI, China (AP) -- Shanghai police have shut down almost 200 Internet bars that operated without licenses requiring them to block Web sites deemed subversive or pornographic, a city official said Monday.
    Police in China's largest city confiscated 965 computers in a sweep that began April 26, said the official in the Shanghai Industrial and Commercial Administration Bureau, which ordered the crackdown.

    The 197 bars closed in the sweep were located in residential neighborhoods overlooked in previous crackdowns, said the official, who refused to give his name.
    The crackdown underscores the communist government's desire to encourage the Internet as a commercial medium without creating a forum for political dissent.
    Called "wang ba," or "net bar," in Mandarin Chinese, Internet bars have appeared in almost every Chinese city and even large villages. Most are nothing more than one- room shops with a dozen personal computers.
    Some 30 million of China's 1.3 billion people now log on, up from 4 million just three years ago, according to government figures.

    Beijing requires Internet bars to install software to block restricted Web sites and record user activities.
    The banned Web sites are run by democracy advocates, outlawed religious groups like Falun Gong and some foreign news organizations. Web sites containing pornographic material are also blocked.
    Last year, Chinese authorities reportedly shut down 17,000 Internet bars that failed to install the site-blocking software.

    1. Re:in case it gets slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to remind the good moderators that even on Sept. 11, CNN.com was still up. They went to a simple static page, but it remained up.

      My point? There is no way that Slashdot is going to bring down CNN's server for a much smaller news story.

      CmdrTaco and the crew make good arguments for Slashdot not mirroring the conent of web page (CNN losing advertising dollars, for one). Do not de facto mirror the original article, on a good server, by modding this up. It deserves to get modded dwn (-1, Redundant)

      I meta-moderate accordingly, to let you know.

  3. Restricted speech is probably more attractive. by Godeke · · Score: 2
    Someday the dictators of the world will realize that saying "don't look at this" just draws people like flies. Or perhaps like moths, since totalitarian governments normally just kill those who disobey. If your style of government is to mute all objectors by killing them, why restrict speech and make it "cool" to have access to it?

    Perhaps the goal is to identify those who are dangerous by leaking just enough that only those who would like basic human rights for the citizens access it so you can send out the death squads more effectively? Makes you wonder how many people no longer exist due to weblogs...

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    1. Re:Restricted speech is probably more attractive. by Gavin+Rogers · · Score: 1

      Someday the dictators of the world will realize that saying "don't look at this" just draws people like flies.

      Yes, but you have to _know_ that the content has been forbidden.

      From what I've read about the Chinese 'megafilters' is that they don't return a page that says <B>Access Denied</B> but more along the lines of <B>Connection timed out...</B>

      The Internet in countries in opressive countries doesn't spark off the free speech thing as much as people expect... the people have to <i>realise</I> that they're being fed horse dung first.

  4. Dissent Requires Effort by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    It's too bad that China's official government is so fearful of alternative ideas. Everyday Chinese have got to figure out sooner or later that the reasons for this are no more complicated than the government has no inherently optimal basis for existence - the existing government just wants to retain power and control whatever the case.

    Dissidents will have to go to greater measures to communicate with one another. Let the Internet Bars install official blocking software that is probably as porous as a moquito net. Then, communicate via a commercial and politically-correct sounding language.

    "Enemies of the people" could refer to the government of China. Etc. Turn their own doublespeak back on them.

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    1. Re:Dissent Requires Effort by BigDaddy · · Score: 1

      Bear in mind that the current government was huge improvement over the KMT (Kuomintang a.k.a the Nationalists led by Jinag Jieshi (Chinag Chi-Shek)). In its early years the PRC was a great boon to the peasants. The KMT had been massively corrupt and the economy was in shambles. After the October Revolution the CCP was able to turn both of those issues around. Because of these beginnings, the Chinese have been very supportive of their government on the whole. Combine this with constant misinformation and propaganda and it explains why the CCP still maintains power despite its policies.

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    2. Re:Dissent Requires Effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lives of those dissidents stop at the point when they left China. They are politically dead. They don't know how to develop the economy, which is what the Chinese people want. The Chinese goverment is very glad to keep it that way.

      But they are still very helpful to get asylum status for those illegal immigrants.

  5. My brother-in-law... by Cmdr+Taco+(luser) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... is Chinese, living in Beijing. He claims that his internet access is not blocked in any way (he's got a computer at home, so doesn't use Internet Cafe's, and he doesn't drink so doesn't go to 'bars'). I think he is probably very niave. He pretty much sucks up the party line; to him, Falong Gong is a subversive, dangerous mob, just like the boss wants him to think. I haven't conversed with him about the crack-down on non-complying internet cafe's yet, but I suspect he think's their, at best, in the wrong and, at worst, criminals. Hey, he's been steeped in this stuff all his life, I'd be kinda surprized if he took an opposing [the government] view. It's taken quite a number of years to get my wife to see her old government's policies as anything other than benevolent.

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    1. Re:My brother-in-law... by BigDaddy · · Score: 1

      As a student currently studying China, this information rings very true. Misinformation abounds. The Great Leap Forward rural policies caused nation wide famine, but most Chinese attributed the problem to local conditions; most were shocked to later learn that the entire country experienced "local famine." Many Chinese today are unaware of the deaths at Tiannamen Square. It just goes to show the what the ability to control media can do to the people's perception of events.

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    2. Re:My brother-in-law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a Chinesse co-worker He seems to be more nationalist than I ever expected.

      Just the same CHina is the best country, all people have perfect lives and everything is cheap.

      The system is perfect. There are no problems.

      So on wonder , Who kind of uys can come out of china.

    3. Re:My brother-in-law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many sites are blocked. But many users know how to use proxy. As for Falun Gong, even some anti-communisim party guys also dislike them. Corruption in the goverment is huge. But the economical growth is also pretty good.

    4. Re:My brother-in-law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the number of death at Tiananmen Square provided by CNN, BBC, ABC, NBC, CIA, yada yada?
      Many Chinese know that many death happened at Beijing, but they also know that no death at Tiananmen Square. Of course they don't watch CNN that much.

    5. Re:My brother-in-law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China is not the best country, many people are very poor. Many things are cheap. The system is kind of above-average. There are many many problems.

      But Chinese people don't like the organization which bombed their embassy, no matter it is democratic or not.

  6. doh by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder if this has anything to do with me responding to every spam I get from a .cn domain with: "The weapons you paid for are on their way. I'm more than happy to support the Falun Gong. Free Tibet!"

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    1. Re:doh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny, until you realize that people are EXECUTED for things like these. Found with that email in your inbox if ya live in China? You could explain yourself, but you'd be talking to the man with the gun who's been ordered to kill you.

    2. Re:doh by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

      That's kinda the point. I actually check out the website being advertised and look for an email address with the same domain as the site, and then I let loose.

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    3. Re:doh by realdpk · · Score: 2

      Don't forget to encrypt the message or an attachment with the password "redchina". That'll be easy enough for any brute-force cracker to get, and it'll make it look more "real". :)

  7. Falun Gong. by lightspawn · · Score: 2

    How much do you really know about the Falun Gong? This is from a site that seems legit - check out their page about the greatest pyramid scheme of all time.

    1. Re:Falun Gong. by jo42 · · Score: 1
      > TruSite - an open source, generic TCP client/proxy/server in Java

      HTTP 404 - File not found

    2. Re:Falun Gong. by lightspawn · · Score: 2

      Apologies. Link fixed.

  8. Whoa, no way! by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

    There's no such thing as human rights in China? This is breaking news!

    - A.P.

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    1. Re:Whoa, no way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The top three things Chinese concerned are
      1. Corruptions in the goverment
      2. Safty in their neighbourhood
      3. Unemployment rate

      There were people who demonstrated and got what they want, better layoff package or pension. Of course, CNN may not find this interesting though.

  9. Well I'm shocked...not by psicic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Errr... it is actually the law, you know. The places that were shut down were unlicenced. It's seems like a non-story. CNN - in a typical display of its 'unbiased' reporting - seems to have melded a few facts together.

    Look at it this way: In most of the US you can't brew and serve alcoholic drink publicly without some sort of licence. In the Republic of Ireland you have to have a licence to own a TV. In China, you need a licence to run an internet cafe.

    In the US you don't need a TV licence if the TV is for private use. In the Republic of Ireland you can brew alcohol if it's for private use(maybe you can in the US as well - I don't know). In Ireland and the US, most internet cafes aren't required by law to restrict access to sites. But a good few places - whether by law or by a policy mandate - do restrict access to porno sites and certains sites with a 'speciality' interest(aren't US libraries required to restrict access to certain sites?). In China, all public internet terminals(including internet cafes) are required to have filtering software. From what I've heard on the 'net, the myth of 'the Yellow Firewall' is just that - a myth. Chinese PC users can access the entire internet from their homes.

    8)

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    1. Re:Well I'm shocked...not by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      you can brew your here in the good ole us of a. not a problem. you can't distill your own, um "moonshine", although distillers can be purchased legally, but only for to home-distill your own drinking water. not that anyone really does that.

      there's been alot of huff about wether or not it's legal or not to censor various things (aside from porn, like pro-animal abuse, KKK, ect.). schools have the right to censor their web access, i think they're required to do so. public librarys shouldn't but do so anyways alot of the time.

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    2. Re:Well I'm shocked...not by tin_the_fatty · · Score: 1

      I was in my old man's summer flat in southern China a few weeks ago. Couldn't get onto bbc.co.uk from there. Access to /. was however okay.

    3. Re:Well I'm shocked...not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you can put a link to the DeCSS binary code on a webpage hosted at China, legally.

  10. Factnet is a Chinese propaganda site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Factnet.org links to the Chinese governments homepage at the ITU as their first source of information. That website calls gathering "illegal" and the organiser of the demonstration to be "guilty". What is he guilty of? Demonstrating is a basic right in every modern nation. Anyway, I stopped reading at that point. Please provide more objective material, I'd be eager to read that.