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Macs Ostracized on Capitol Hill

jonerik writes "Wired News has an article today on the last Apple holdout on Capitol Hill, Ngozi Pole. Pole, the office and systems administrator at Sen. Edward Kennedy's (D-MA) Boston and Washington D.C. offices, argues that the Senate Office of the Sergeant at Arms (SAA), which makes technology recommendations to senators, wants to make its job as easy as possible by pushing Windows-based applications as much as they can. According to the article, 'The SAA allocates $250,000 per six-year term to each senator. The department had hoped Pole would use the budget to replace aging Macs in Kennedy's offices. Instead, Pole will spend the remainder of his budget through 2003 filling Senator Kennedy's Washington office with new flat-panel iMacs.' Unsurprisingly, the SAA declined to comment."

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  1. This may or may not be by hettb · · Score: -1
    a first post!


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  2. Classic Move by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    Jack booted thugs coming to steal my free artistic ways and replace them with the tools of cheerless beancounters!

    At least in my corporate environment they limit "unification activities" to "encouragement" to migrate to the One Borg Platform. But anyone who wants to keep their Mac is welcome to do so and to receive corporate support as long as they keep their suite of installed applications reasonably close to the corporate standard.

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  3. Shoot the Admins! by zulux · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I have no patience for lousy admins that are so stupid, that they can only figgure out one operating system.

    Hell, my fist Mac experience was setting up Dave (a SMB clinet for Mac) and TCP/IP networking on an OS 9 box. Took all of fifteen minuits, and I spent most of that time looking and the inerds of the translucent mouse. Most Important Tip: Hold mouse button down to make menus stay. That's it. It's easy.

    If these idiots can't figgure it out for $75,000 a year then recycle their carbon.

    He'll the *hardest* computers to figgure out are MS Windows boxes - between all the rebooting and the buggy operating system, it's suprising that they don't migrate *away* from MS Windows.

    I'd rather study 'man ifconfig' and be on my way, than play "where did Microsoft hide the network settings on this version of Windows?"

    Like puting the SMB/Cifs,Domain and Workgroup name in the "My Computer." Hint for idiots at MS: Networking settings belong in the "My Network Places" or whatever you call it now days.

    Jesus, this has turned into My Rant, against My Favorite Criminal Company.

    My New Sig: Winodws-only admins suck.

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    1. Re:Shoot the Admins! by damiangerous · · Score: 2

      the inerds I suppose you could call them that

    2. Re:Shoot the Admins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not too smart are ya. Here's what you sgould have posted:

      I have no patience for lousy admins that are so stupid, that they can only figure out one operating system.

      Hell, my fist Mac experience was setting up Dave (a SMB client for Mac) and TCP/IP networking on an OS 9 box. Took all of fifteen minutes, and I spent most of that time looking and the innards of the translucent mouse. Most Important Tip: Hold mouse button down to make menus stay. That's it. It's easy.
      If these idiots can't figure it out for $75,000 a year then recycle their carbon.

      He'll the *hardest* computers to figure out are MS Windows boxes - between all the rebooting and the buggy operating system, it's surprising that they don't migrate *away* from MS Windows.

      I'd rather study 'man ipconfig' and be on my way, than play "where did Microsoft hide the network settings on this version of Windows?"
      Like putting the SMB/Cifs,Domain and Workgroup name in the "My Computer." Hint for idiots at MS: Networking settings belong in the "My Network Places" or whatever you call it now days.

      Jesus, this has turned into My Rant, against My Favorite Criminal Company.
      My New Sig: Winodws-only admins suck.

      Also let me address something other than your atrocious spelling. Since a hack was invented for System 7 (and officially incorporated with 8) you don't have to hold down the mouse button for menus. Also, true context menu support was added in 8. Ipconfig is a windows program and therefore would not have a Unix terminal manual file. I could be a better tech for $75,000, except for the fact that most of them don't get paid nearly that much. Network prefs are exactly where they should be. Microsoft is awful but misinformation is worse.

    3. Re:Shoot the Admins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sgould? FUCK!

    4. Re:Shoot the Admins! by zulux · · Score: 2

      Ipconfig is a windows program and therefore would not have a Unix terminal manual file.

      I normally don't respond to AC, but retarded AC's are fair game.

      Ipconfig is MS Windows bastard version of Unix ifconfig. Note the correct spelling as I had it. Now go flip the burgers, trash.

      PS $75,000 is low for a decent admin - keep flipping the burgers and studying and maby even you'll get there.

      I'll loose karma for responding - let it burn.

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    5. Re:Shoot the Admins! by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2

      Network prefs are exactly where they should be in which version of Windows? ("If it's 'WordPerfect', how come it's version 10?") Don't get me wrong, Windows pays my bills, but they gotta' stop moving shit around each time. ("Oh, and by the way, this year the brake's on the right and the accelerator's on the left. But, now that the radio's in the back seat and we've replaced the spare tire with a can of Fix-A-Flat, there's much more room in the new DashTrunk")

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    6. Re:Shoot the Admins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ipconfig is MS Windows bastard version of Unix ifconfig.

      Point taken

      Note the correct spelling as I had it. Now go flip the burgers, trash.

      Now that part was uncalled for. From his seeming massive knowledge of Macintoshes I made an assumtion. I was wrong. So maybe I do work at MacDonalds. I also know more about Mac OS (7-X), Windows (3.1-XP), Unix (mostly Free BSD), and Linux (mostly Yellow Dog and Red Hat, but they're all similar.

      PS $75,000 is low for a decent admin - keep flipping the burgers and studying and maby even you'll get there.

      Heh. "maby" But anyway, all of the admins I know get $65,000 or less plus contract work. I'm 16 years old. No one will hire me. And yet again with the burgers. Want something to eat?

  4. Hill Appled on Capital Ostrich by Chinese+Karma+Whore · · Score: -1

    Fate, chance, karma, whatever you wanna call it -- when Miss Fortune spreads her legs for you, you're already in over your head. Believe me, I know.

    Bunny LaFever looked like a dame with more curves and venom than Reggie Peeler's Land O' Snakes. But she wasn't a real dame. She was a she-devil. That golden bush of hers was nothing but a welcome mat to hell.

    But now I'm getting way ahead of myself. Bunny had a way of doing that to jerks like me. She twisted us inside out and turned our heads around so we couldn't think straight anymore. So lemme begin at the beginning ...

    Carnies got a word for a crooked game operator like me. They call me "Flattie" cuz I'll flat-out rob you and make you like it.

    My name's Randy Everhard and I've got a million ways to take your money. One of my personal favorites is the "hopper shot." It's tossing softballs into toilet seats, which you've seen on every midway in your life. I could gaff the joint to make it impossible to win.

    But where's the fun in that? I work it so any chucklehead can win all night long. Cuz once I've hooked a live one into thinking he can take me for a ride, that's when I nail him with the "build-up." Caught up in the excitement of winning game after game, the rube's built up to play twenty games at two bucks a pop. And the only prize he's going home with is a teddy bear that cost me three shekels per, wholesale. You do the math, Einstein.

    The problem with selling three-dollar plush for forty scoots is that the build-up only pays off if you've got a steady string of suckers. And that night was turning out to be a real larry. The Laff Riot carnival was a flattie's wet dream. The grab joints and flashy rides were a front for the real action: flat stories, alibi and percentage joints, crap tables, slot machines, fortune wheels.

    The show was running wide open. Everybody crooked and every joint gaffed and nobody doing a damn thing to stop it. I figured the cops were greased slicker 'n Liberace's asshole. It should've been like shooting trout in a barrel. Too bad nobody was taking my bait. I was up shit creek without a paddle to piss on.

    My first goddamn night with the show, and already I was itchy for a new angle.

    I can't remember which one of them I saw first: the blonde come-on dressed like she had an exhibitionist streak a mile wide or the square in the coke bottle glasses who was eyeballing her like she was nothing but something to look at. Of course, that Coppertone beauty really was something to look at. She was turning heads and raising dicks all over the place. But I didn't like him getting his eyes all over this piece of 100 percent corn-fed cocktease.

    She was stacked like a double-decker Ferris wheel with nipples that could cut glass. The red double-O's stenciled on her football jersey were stretched over humongous hooters. She looked like a shooting gallery, bursting at the seams. You couldn't miss those twin titty targets. I'm talking knockers so big you could still see them when she turned around. And believe you me, she was one woman who looked as good going as she did coming.

    She wore a pair of daring Daisy Dukes that were so short and tight her crotch sucked them in. The denim over her ass was thread-bare, blown out like a retread. And if that wasn't enough, she was doing a number on a grape Popsicle to make your peter wish it was frozen on a stick. That girl was one carnival ride I wanted to jump on quick, and I didn't care how many tickets it cost.

    In my racket, though, business comes before pleasure. And this looked like a golden opportunity to work the key scam. It's the oldest con in the carny book.

    I jumped the counter and made my way over to the chump with the steamed-up glasses. I was like, "Hot enough for ya? And I ain't talking about the weather, fella." At first he didn't buy it when I told him I was the "manager" of this fine talent. He just stood there mopping his brow with a hanky.

    "I don't fuck chickens and I don't shit feathers," I said, "and I wouldn't lie about a piece of ass like that, neither." I gave myself a hard-on feeding him the fast talk: screwing her would make a man think he died and gone to heaven, where the streets are paved with solid gold snatch.

    "She's a sight for sore eyes, ain't she? And if you think I'm giving you lip, you oughta see her go to town on a dick. Life-transforming, friend. Life-transforming." I pulled out an old key I kept for just such an occasion. Dangling it before his bug eyes, I spieled how it was the key to her room at some motel outside of town. "I'm talking once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, pal. She's the reason hard-ons were made."

    He swallowed it all -- hook, line and sinker.

    Chuckling over what he was going to tell his wife when he came home minus his paycheck, I made my way over to the sultry sex kitten. She was throwing heat like a furnace. Melting chocolate bars at twenty paces. It was too hot to fuck, but next to her, that scorcher felt like a cool, seaside breeze.

    "I just made you twenty bucks, and all you had to do was stand here looking gorgeous, Gorgeous." She didn't say anything, just looked me up and down and blinked those big baby blues. The sheen of sweat on her face glowed under the neon lights. She'd sucked all the flavor out of the end of the Popsicle, so the tip was white.

    I fished out a crisp, new bill and passed it over. She let it rest in the palm of her hand as she stared at it, confused. She tried giving it back to me, but I stopped her. "See that guy over there?" I asked, stepping aside to give her a glimpse. "He just paid me a lot of money to sleep with you."

    He what?" she goes, insulted. She threw down what was left of her Popsicle and took a step closer. Her eyes burned like a butane flame. Like most women, she looked better when she was steamed. But I didn't want her making a scene. She was liable to blow the act.

    "Don't get yer panties in a bunch," I said, shutting her cakehole with my hand. I told her about the con and then nervously took my hand away. I was sure she was gonna blow up again. But she kept quiet. I told her we had to scram and didn't give her a chance to say no. I just put my arm around her waist and steered her toward the exit gates. I gave Pops a back-handed wave as we booked outta there double-time.

    My dick is long and my cons are short. Cop and blow, that's my motto -- take the money and run. Otherwise things got a way of getting ugly.

    Two minutes later, we were hauling ass down the highway in my supercharged Chevy Menace. It was an acid green two-door with cheetah seat covers, four on the floor and dual exhaust. Twin cams and 440 horses under the hood.

    "Say," I said, "what's your name, anyway?"

    I was hoping to get to know every inch of her better. She smelled like coconut oil. Her tanned skin gave off heat like asphalt that'd been baking in the sun all day.

    "Bunny," she goes. "Bunny LaFever." She was a real piece, too. I couldn't wait to do all sorts of dirty things to her. "How much you take him for?" she asked. "Two-fifty." In actuality I scored three-fifty. But if there's one thing I know about women, it's never tell them exactly how much money you've got.

    Back at my room at the God bless America Truckstop Motel, she showed me that that sweet and innocent show was just a put-on. I was glad, though. I prefer a girl with some experience under her belt.

    Before I knew it, she was all over me like stink on shit. Purple from the Popsicle, her tongue sprung to the back of my throat and then snaked all over the inside of my mouth like she was mining the gold fillings out of my teeth. Despite all the tongue wrasslin,' her hands were nowhere near where I wanted them to be.

    My dick had been so hard for so long I thought it would blast off like a rocket, but she kept her distance. The teasing was cute at first but enough was enough. I grabbed her hands and planted them on the tent pole in my pants.

    She pulled away and took a few steps back.

    "You trying to insult me? You think you can have this body for free?" Bunny squeezed her 'lopes together, serving them up for my hungry eyes: "These tits alone cost five bucks to look at."

    I chuckled nervously. "C'mon," I go, "quit screwing around."

    "I'm totally serious. Five bucks or I'm gone."

    I started laughing for real, digging the little swindler. What else could I do but pay up? She had me right were she wanted me.

    This was one of those times in a man's life when he knows his dick's doing the brainwork but he doesn't care. Whatever the dick wants, the dick gets. That right there's the whole story of my life.

    I plucked a five-spot from my wallet and waved it like a flag of surrender. She just looked at it. "I don't want your money now," she goes. "Pay me later."

    "Whatever you say." And I just eased back on the bed to enjoy the show.

    She peeled off her T-shirt and out bounced those giant, all-natural juggs. She had razor sharp tan lines from the sling of a skimpy bikini top. You could tell from her nips that the air-conditioning was on full-blast.

    Bunny danced around the room, wiggling and shaking everything her momma gave her. I looked her up and down until I could've guessed her weight. She had all the right parts in all the right places and then some.

    She neared the bed and leaned over me to let those massive, all-American melons swing inches above my face. "Wanna taste them?" she goes. As if she had to ask.

    I lifted my head to suck the tantalizing titties into my mouth, but she snatched them away.

    "Five bucks," she goes.

    "All right, five bucks."

    "Five bucks each, big spender."

    "You got it."

    "Pay me later," she cooed, and moved closer to bury me beneath her treasure chest. "Mmm," she purred, "you suck real good."

    "Damn straight," I mumbled. "You're getting my money's worth."

    She only laughed as her fingers spider-walked down to my crotch and unzipped my fly. "You'd like a tit-fuck, wouldn't you?"

    It wasn't a question. It was a statement of fact. Some girls are mind readers, but Bunny LaFever was the first dick reader I ever had the pleasure to meet.

    "Twenty bucks," she barked.

    I was like, "A bargain at twice the price. Pay you later?"

    "That's right, bright boy."

    We switched places on the bed so that she was on her back. I kicked off my shoes and pulled down my pants and underwear. This dick of mine's got its own zip code and time zone.

    When she gripped the shaft, her fingers didn't reach all the way around. She was like, "Lucky for you I'm still in my size-is-everything phase."

    "Me, too," I said, dropping to my knees to straddle her. My hard-on slipped between her cleavage like a hot dog in its steamed bun. She pressed them together to make the sandwich good and tight as I began my strokes.

    I humped her hooters harder to push my dick closer to her succulent mouth. She stuck out her pink tongue and tickled the tip. Back and forth it fluttered over the head.

    "There's a freebie," she giggled. "But I won't take one in the mouth for less than twenty."

    "How much to swallow?"

    She had to think that one over. "Thirty," she answered. "And that's only cuz I like you."

    I dismounted and stood beside the bed. She sat on the edge of the mattress to let her mouth get better acquainted with my cock. Her tongue twirled over my shaft until it looked like a monument of polished marble.

    She blew me good and slow, repeatedly bringing me to the edge of orgasm and then stopping until the urge melted away.

    The build-up felt so good it hurt. I never begged anyone for anything before. But tortured by her talented tongue, I was actually begging for mercy.

    After some more tongue lashing, she finally let me fill her mouth. She swallowed, too, and it felt like my whole body was sliding down with it.

  5. Think different! by blues5150 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's nice to know that Senator Kennedy has someone like Ngozi Pole working for him. Rather than succumb to the wishes of the SAA he realizes that there are quality alternatives to Microsoft Windows.

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  6. Let's be fair here by Nomad7674 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you are the Federal Government there are a LOT of factors that you have to consider including security, stability, visibility, and cost-effectiveness. I am a MAJOR Mac fan and own several Macs. But Apple could be argued to have lost on all of these counts:
    1. Security: MacOS X has only been around a short time and has no proven track record yet. Give it two more years and the beaurocrats might accept it. (Yes, I know. BSD has a HUGE track record, but try explaining BSD and OS X to your typical mouth-breather.)
    2. Stability: While MacOS X is VERY stable, again it has no proven track record here.
    3. Visibility: Macs (modern macs) always announce their presence. They are stylish devices which do not want to be hidden. This may not be good depending on who is stopping in to criticize you today.
    4. Cost-effectiveness: Try explaining to a CBO accountant why you want to buy a $1200 iBook instead of a $500 bottom-barrel Wintel machine. Or better yet, try explaining it to a political columnist looking for an ax to grind.

    Now, I am talking about MacOS X as that is what is shipping on all new Macs that the Feds might buy. OS 9 has similar issues.

    My point is, these are all issues that Apple will need to convincingly overcome before the Feds will be knocking down their doors for units

    1. Re:Let's be fair here by thaddjuice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Two things:

      1. Windows XP is just as revolutionary and hasn't been around as OS X (not mention the number of security holes found). It seems to me like there are no grounds to trust one and not the other... certainly not to outlaw one.

      2. You talk about appearances, but what about the fact that the government brought Microsoft up on antitrust violations? This just makes them look like hypocrites helping M$ to stomp out the competition.

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    2. Re:Let's be fair here by dbrutus · · Score: 4, Informative

      By all means, let's be fair.

      CC:Mail, the current mail platform, is not Y2K compliant (I'm a former CC:Mail admin), it is not supported, and they are likely not providing any further patches of this dead platform. Everybody was supposed to make the switch to notes before Y2K. The SAA didn't. Macintosh has a CC:Mail client so the macs are likely just as secure/insecure as the rest of the users.

      Microsoft Exchange, the SAA proposed new mail server, has a native Macintosh client though many Exchange administrators don't know about it since it is hidden on a separate HFS partition. Put the client disk on a mac and the mac client shows up (I've also managed Exchange Servers).

      Jaguar is supposed to come out with a native mail client with excellent Exchange compatibility. In other words, there are likely two viable clients going to be around RSN.

      As far as security track records go, XP has what track record? How about 2000? Mac OS X is pretty much equal or superior in actual tract records to both of them.

      Stability track records are similar. An Apples to pears argument isn't fair. MS's code base has been significantly redone and I haven't seen a whole lot of stability testing demonstrating either Apple or MS being superior here. Assuming instead of testing is just another way to not earn your paycheck.

      As for visibility, I would say that this is not the SAA's business. It's the Senators business as they get a budget for all sorts of things, desks, chairs, computers, etc. and if they want to make things look good, that's their choice, not the SAA's.

      As for cost effectiveness, Senate offices don't buy $500 scrape the bottom of the barrel laptops. They buy IBM's, Compaqs or Dells with which Apple is pretty price competitive, sometimes a bit higher, sometimes a bit lower.

      I've worked in offices where administrators had a platform agenda, sabotaging other platforms, hardware and software, in favor of what they wanted. Occassionally, it can lead to a disaster where a sabotaged system is abandoned and they simply don't replace it.

      This is no way to spend the taxpayer's money.

    3. Re:Let's be fair here by pudge · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but how is this fair? As to cost-effectiveness, that's irrelevant, since we all know that a $1200 Mac will be more cost-effective than a $500 PC in terms of maintenance and support, let alone resale value (or tax writeoff, but I don't know if they have those in this case :-). And to visibility, these are mostly for in-office staff. The reason 'iBook' was mentioned is because it was for a temporary office space, I imagine, so laptops made sense.

      Perhaps visibility and cost-effectiveness at least could be argued, though not very convincingly, by the Windows crowd. But stability and security? Not even close. Windows has never been as secure as Mac OS was, and probably never will be as secure or as stable as Mac OS X is. Of course it has a proven track record in stability: overwhelmingly, most Mac OS X users have never had a system crash. What else do you want?

      And if you want "proof" about security then the counterargument is that Windows has been proven to be entirely insecure, and can make no claims about anyone else not having a proven track record without totally destroying their own credibility. Windows is the most insecure OS ever.

    4. Re:Let's be fair here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As to cost-effectiveness, that's irrelevant, since we all know that a $1200 Mac will be more cost-effective than a $500 PC in terms of maintenance and support,

      I'm glad someone mentioned this. I have no hard numbers to back this up, but my experience tells me this is the truth.

      Where I work, we have a staff of IS people who know virtually nothing about Macs, despite the fact that we run on about 50/50 PCs and Macs. I see our IS guys frequently sitting with glum looks on their faces in front of PCs, doing their time in front of a dead machine. They never do that with Macs. In fact, they couldn't--they wouldn't know what to do.

      In 4+ years of using a Mac at my workplace, I have required exactly 0 tech support calls. With my Windows machine, I've required several. One of those calls required about half of my IS person's shift. In those years, I've seen countless dead PCs--Windows boxes that just outrightly die. I've never seen a single Mac do anything remotely close to that.

      That's money going right down the drain.

      I admit to being a Mac power user, but the steps for solving about 99% of all Mac problems (zap PRAM, rebuild desktop, trash the usual pref files) are easy and can be summarized in about three paragraphs that even novice Mac users can follow. A co-worker and I did exactly that and our entire dept. of Mac users never required support calls.

      The only way you can think Macs are more expensive is by ignoring the long-term costs of support. Then again, I think most anti-Mac bigots know that because they never bring this issue up on their own.

    5. Re:Let's be fair here by usr122122121 · · Score: 1
      1. Windows XP is just as revolutionary...

      If by revolutionary you mean taking the same code, and slapping on top some more elegant/ugly graphics, maybe.
      OS X was written completely from scratch (well, those parts that apple wrote...).
      You can not dare say that Windows XP was...

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    6. Re:Let's be fair here by feloneous+cat · · Score: 1

      1. Security: MacOS X has only been around a short time... A quick check with SARC indicates that there are FAR fewer virii, worms, et. al. that infect Macs. Windows is FAR more vulnerable.

      2. Stability: ...it has no proven track record... And MS has a proven track record of security holes. A lot of 'em. Personally, I've had OS X running for months (literally - no shut down) and the system just worked. This was with Public Beta! I have never had a Windows system work half this well.

      3. Visibility: Macs (modern macs) always announce their presence.... What the hell does THAT mean? Is their a point or are you just fabricating out of whole cloth?

      4. Cost-effectiveness: Try explaining to a CBO accountant... And I will show you a wasted afternoon. Your argument is weak.

      The biggest issue with Macs not being "accepted" is the perception that somehow there is something "wrong" with them. There has yet to be anyone to explain what that might be. It is all FUD, plain and simple.

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  7. i agree: no macs for public servents by tps12 · · Score: 0, Troll
    I don't think Macs have a place in government. Neither does Windows, however. It is just wrong to give all that business to a company, and amounts to "playing favorites" with taxpayers' money, which is specifically banned in Article 1 of the Constitution ("Being the government of All Citizens, Congress shall chuse No Specific Producer of any Material or Item required for Governance").

    The only moral use of funds is to populate politicians' offices with Linux boxen. Linux has shown time and again that it has the firepower to deal with the wear and tear of political life. Programs like gpoll and qtvote are light years ahead of analogous products on the archaic MAC and Windows 95 platforms.

    In conclusion, Linux in this case has possession of both the moral and technological high grounds.

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    1. Re:i agree: no macs for public servents by leviramsey · · Score: 2, Informative
      Being the government of All Citizens, Congress shall chuse No Specific Producer of any Material or Item required for Governance

      Uh, that text appears nowhere in the Constitution.

    2. Re:i agree: no macs for public servents by discstickers · · Score: 1

      the archaic MAC and Windows 95 platforms.

      ::cough:: troll ::cough::

      In conclusion, Linux in this case has possession of both the moral and technological high grounds.
      Since when did morals have anything to do with the government?

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    3. Re:i agree: no macs for public servents by ivan256 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      boxen

      The word is boxes. (No, I don't care what it says in the jargon file) Websters has the following to say about boxen:

      Made of boxwood; pertaining to, or resembling, the box

      I.E. It's not the plural of anything.

      I'm even going to waste karma posting this at +2, since the word bothers me so much. (Irrational, I know)

    4. Re:i agree: no macs for public servents by JoeWalsh · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      That would be true for general usage. But, obviously, for the specific jargon of *nix geeks, the word "boxen" is the correct word to use when referring to more than one computer.

      Subcultures often invent or redefine words in ways that the general culture would fine confusing. That's part of what defines a subculture.

      So, if you want to be part of a given subculture, you have to learn its jargon. That's just the way it is (and appropriately so).

    5. Re:i agree: no macs for public servents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so fucking stupid. Do you think there is one *single* person who doesn't know that the word is normally spelled "boxes"?

      Do you also tell people that "pr0n" is spelled wrong? Do you really not get it?

      You are such an idiot.

    6. Re:i agree: no macs for public servents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... the whole reason that their "jargon" evolved is because geeks are a bunch of retards who all failed english at school.

    7. Re:i agree: no macs for public servents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe so, but it's really annoying that so many 31337 h4x0rs think that the plural of 'virus' is 'virii'.

    8. Re:i agree: no macs for public servents by Gsus411 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and French evolved because the French sucked at Latin. Come on. I may be a geek, but I am also pulling an "A" in my AP English class. Dicto simpliciter. The argument is a generalization, and therefore a fallacy. I still like the plural -en ending. It's nice to see the Saxon influence on the English language returning, even if it is just one case form.

  8. Browser-based applications work: A case study by daviddennis · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I am the head of the custom applications department at a 100-person company. I am also the department's sole employee, so I can call myself anything I want :-).

    When I was first employed, we had a Windows-based system that did contact management, a clunky order entry system used only by clerks, and a half-done cold fusion application that was supposed to be used for online ordering, but in practice simply did not work. (It took 4 seconds to search for a part).

    I was hired to shepherd the online ordering application to completion, but I quickly realized that you could use one for internal ordering as well. So I rewrote it in Linux, made it efficient, and added design features so both salespeople and customers could easily enter orders. But the contact management system was still not working well, and it integrated poorly with the new ordering system.

    So I eventally convinced the company to bite the bullet; I wrote a contact management system for the salespeople that was browser-based and (of course) integrated perfectly with the online ordering system. So now salespeople have their contact management and ordering done with one integrated system that works very well.

    Unfortunately our IT person (who handles the Windows machines) can't be convinced to switch away. But all they do is run a browser anyway, so his administrative load is significantly reduced. They also use Outlook for email, but that was his choice, not mine.

    So now we have mainly happy employees running a system that's based on Linux and can be updated and improved continuously without strain. Believe me, I couldn't have single-handedly developed the same thing under Windows. It could have been done, but it would have taken a lot more time and a lot of help. (Can you imagine installing the silly thing on 70-odd PCs?)

    In short, a browser-based application is faster to develop, more efficient to deploy, and just plain works better than what Microsoft is pushing. And I'm proud to say I haven't used one piece of Microsoft software to develop the system - it's strictly gcc, perl, mySQL and a little PHP.

    I may be prejudiced - heck, I am, of course - but browser-based software using a Linux back end just plain works. There's no reason in the world not to use it, and it has the nice bonus of being compatible with any platform on the planet - I've used it with Linux, MacOS 9, MacOS X, and even an SGI.

    And oh yes -- Windows, too.

    D

    1. Re:Browser-based applications work: A case study by Ratso+Baggins · · Score: 1

      FYI and it way OT anyway, I'm proably as much a zealot as the next geek, but try running your code on apache mysql for windows, you'll be surprised how easy it will cross platform, usually zero changes maybe less. It's not faster or more stable, but you could have developed it just as fast, if you had to. I fell into this problem for a similar reason to you, the admin was a windrone. So I tried it on Apache/MySQL for win and it worked fine (for windows). The wanker spat a bucket when he later realised apache had a text file for config. Gotta love 'em where ya get 'em ;)

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  9. Asking the wrong questions by Niherlas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Far too many admins focus on the process of being an admin, rather than on serving customers. On platforms and products rather than solutions.

    Far too many Windows-only admins have been trained as MCSEs, and that training emphasizes a one-world homogenous platform. Products and platforms. "Here's Windows - and the things you can do with it," rather than, "What do you need to do, and how can Windows help you do that?" The thought processes of these admins (and I've seen this time and time again in 14 years of being a sysadmin) takes the cant of "how can I convince my customers to work this way?" The way that the MS tools provide.

    It's the wrong question. The wrong approach.

    The user is the customer, not the enemy. They pay you to solve their problems, so give them solutions. It shouldn't matter what platform - Mac, Windows, Linux, FreeBSD - what should be at issue is what provides the best solution for the customers needs.

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    1. Re:Asking the wrong questions by T3kno · · Score: 2

      Exactly, and I think among most Linux/UNIX/Mac (is there such a thing ;) admins you would find an overwhelming agreement with your statement. The problem for Windows is that it is IMHO very rarely the best solution.

      This creates a twofold problem. The first part is that Windows geeks know that there are other platforms, but are unwilling to admit that other platform does something as good or better than Windows does. If you dont believe me try telling a Windows zealot that IIS is not secure. The second part of the problem is that in seeing the other platforms as irrelevant the Windows geek will rely on unsubstantiated Microsoft FUD as arguments against the alternative.

      I am halfway to a NT4 MCSE (I quit a long time ago when I realized what it really was) and a main undercurrent in the material was that Windows is best and there are no alternatives, which is how all of the MCSE's that I know view the world. I believe that Microsoft did this on purpose in order to further the monopoly.

      Don't get me wrong, there are Linux users that will tell you that there is no alternative to Linux, and that everything that Windows does is crap. Most of the time I am like this because even if Microsoft does something right I feel that we cannot give them any more power. It's a good thing that Microsoft rarely does anything right. On the other hand I am always willing to look at the alternatives to what I am proposing because I don't not have all of the information, and there may be a better or more elegant solution that I have not considdered. Very very few Microsoft admins are even willing to do this.

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    2. Re:Asking the wrong questions by msouth · · Score: 3, Funny
      The user is the customer, not the enemy. They pay you to solve their problems, so give them solutions. It shouldn't matter what platform - Mac, Windows, Linux, FreeBSD - what should be at issue is what provides the best solution for the customers needs.

      And you claim to be a sysadmin? Riiiiight.

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  10. Democrats only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I know who's getting my vote next General Election.

    1. Re:Democrats only? by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      What, Rush Limbaugh being a big mac head doesn't sway you the other way?

  11. Excellent point, now... by Soulfader · · Score: 1

    ...could you tell it to my boss? =)

  12. You've got to be kidding/trolling... by Soulfader · · Score: 1, Troll
    I can understand that some people are one-issue voters, but over a freaking Mac ? Couldn't you pick an issue that really mattered to the health and well-being of the American public more than what computer platform its legislators are using in their offices?

    Computers are tools to help us do life. They are not life itself. Go play frisbee, dammit. =)

    1. Re:You've got to be kidding/trolling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      It was a joke Mr. Anal Retentive poster.

  13. Congress Can't Define One Standard, But... by Spencerian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The last time a government body tried to choose a single computer as a standard, it caused a big stink. The body: NASA. Here's a letter from Dan Goldin, then-NASA administrator, who replied to a congressman on this issue. (http://www.reston.com/nasa/a/07.02.97.goldin.lamp son.html)

    Goldin didn't institute this policy, I feel, but some other clown at a NASA agency. Today, since NASA's mandate needs more than a bunch of Windows workstations (with fault tolerances that would give a man-rated program like the Shuttle cause for abandoning spaceflight altogether since destruction of the spacecraft or launch failures would be a virtual certainty) to handle scientific programs and the like. For NASA, moving to Windows just made no sense. For Capital Hill, there is some sense for this until you realize that, in these days, standardizing on a single platform locks a company into the faults (many dangerous) which can result in data destruction or security compromises.

    Someone on the Hill needs to be reminded of their own laws. Problem is that the Hill MAKES the laws, and it wouldn't be the first time where Congress does its "do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do" routine.

    Government is normally not allowed to pick one competitor over another for anti-competitive reasons. Bidding is normally done for things where multiple standards are impractical (like fighter jets).

    Standardizing on Windows for Congress puts up a big "HACK ME" sign to terrorists and other people with time to waste. UNIX isn't a panacea, but it has a hell of a better resistance to attacks and doesn't suffer from Microsoft's code insecurity and bloat.

    Most importantly, Mac OS X is the only UNIX family that runs Microsoft Office, but without the virus compromising technologies like ActiveX and VBScript.

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    1. Re:Congress Can't Define One Standard, But... by ZxCv · · Score: 2

      Most importantly, Mac OS X is the only UNIX family that runs Microsoft Office, but without the virus compromising technologies like ActiveX and VBScript.

      I could be wrong, but when I installed Office X, I could have sworn I saw it install "Visual Basic for Applications"--VBScript.

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    2. Re:Congress Can't Define One Standard, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong. VBA != VBScript.

    3. Re:Congress Can't Define One Standard, But... by Spencerian · · Score: 2

      It's not the same, and is not meshed in the the Mac OS as found on Windows.

      Practically all VBA components in Office for Mac do not respond in the same way. That's why Mac OS is immune from VBScript and ActiveX attacks--the virus writers either do not have the technical ability to create a virus which can execute on Mac OS, or there's not really a way to do so. Sure, this is "security through obscurity" thing going, but it IS a fact.

      Code Red, Nimda, "ILOVEYOU" have no effect on Mac OS.

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  14. Maybe it's not just the cost factors by Harv · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It *is* possible to purchase Macs that compete well on price with the PC boxes, all things considered. Just look at the iBook.

    But there is another factor that's kept Macs out of federal life to a big extent: the law on universal access, formerly known as handicapped access in less enlightened times.

    Specifically, mandates in Section 508 (29 USC 794d) of the Federal code, require computers purchased by fed agencies (not to mention their websites and more) to be fully accessible to people with vision problems, etc.

    With Jaguar, Jobs claimed at WWDC that its "universal access features go well beyond fedarally mandated standards."

    Translation: "We screwed ourselves, but now we're fixing that."

    In other words, with this upgrade, the OS includes Quartz for magnification so the magnified screen is relatively resolution-independent. Zooming in on text would show you a fully anti-aliased font at whatever font size you needed, not just pixelated magnified clunkiness. Apple is apparently also shipping screen-reading software with Jaguar, and it works for interface parts (menus, windows), for documents or any text under the mouse. Keyboard navigation (remember "Sticky Keys" and Easy Access Software way back when?) is back, this time for Classic apps, not just Cocoa ones.

    Altogether, these changes make it legal now for Apple to compete for federal purchasing contracts. This flaw in Apple's operating systems before now, maybe more than the SAA, was to blame for the relatively poor marketshare in government offices. At least now that has a chance of being changed.

    That being said, I still don't like Congress all that much, just on general principles. I hope they get hammered, too. But Apple's not completely pure, either. Is anyone?

    1. Re:Maybe it's not just the cost factors by Spencerian · · Score: 2

      It's strange that Apple struggles with universal access now. The handicapped abilities found in earlier versions of Mac OS were industry-leading, long before Windows showed up. Two features, Sticky Keys and CloseView (I think that was its name) took care of users unable to use a mouse or with vision issues.

      Apple will get a solution--and, if they are in their usual form, a solution that's elegant. Microsoft sometimes makes nice innovations like contextual menus (from right-clicks, although I bet that's stolen from three-button UNIX), but trying to activate and access these features would make Rube Goldberg cry. Apple tends to make switching a feature on easier.

      I think Apple had to pick what was important when setting up Mac OS X, and while there are universal access features, they needed to concentrate on getting the OS code working. With Jaguar, they can concentrate on the cool features and important details. Don't know if this will make a difference on the Hill.

      Anybody care to write a virus that wipes out corruption in government?

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    2. Re:Maybe it's not just the cost factors by Harv · · Score: 1
      Well, the way government purchasing contracts go, Apple's put themselves in a much better position. Before, they would not be allowed to bid on certain contracts because of the Universal Access thing. Now they can.

      I read somewhere today that UA was quite good, but was provided in Easy Access from Berkeley Systems, later maker of the flying toasters screen saver. I don't know why they dropped the ball on this, but I think it was sometime around System 8, wasn't it?

  15. Ted "Snorkel" Kennedy? by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1

    I have a slightly used Titanium G4 550 available. Up to dat with all releases and patches, has Fink, XDarwin, MS Office X, Mozilla 1.00 RC1, python, etc. Works beautifully, slightly tarnished reputation do to unfortunate political association.

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  16. Re:Ted "Snorkel" Kennedy? UNFAIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair, there is no proof he snorkeled (sp?) out of that car. Actually, there's no proof he didn't have the car pushed into Chappaquidick's icy waters....

  17. This is why Microsoft won't be punished by mttlg · · Score: 2
    There's a clear conflict of interests here - if the government (or a certain important part of it) is fully dependent on Microsoft, it will be very reluctant to do anything that could in any way harm Microsoft (regardless of the benefits to anyone else, like the general public). This gives Microsoft the perfect defense against any form of punishment - "But that could hurt us, and if you hurt us, we might not be able to keep your systems running, and you wouldn't want that." Essentially, this gives Microsoft the opportunity to play the abusive husband, with the government, and by extension the entire population of the US, in the role of the helpless wife who accepts any beating simply because she has nowhere else to go (or at least that's what she believes).

    In the specific case described in the article, there are many options that would provide the same capabilities to the end user ("e-mail, the Internet, a word processor and the ability to create output") without making support more difficult, so going Microsoft-only provides no real benefit while increasing the risk of abuse (from a convicted abuser) or deficiencies resulting from a situation similar to a lack of genetic diversity. Nature and society are full of examples of why this is a very bad idea, but I guess reality isn't in the Senate's technology plan either...

  18. Wow! Who cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, a man down the street named Dave who I said hi too once has recently bought a new iMac system. Dave explains "I like the color". His wife is declining comment at this time.

  19. So which linux distro would you choose, hrm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean you'd have to give all that business to one distro-creating company?

    What, you'd just grab it for three bucks at lsl? But doesn't that still violate your point (re "No Specific Producer") ?

    >deal with the wear and tear of political life. Programs like gpoll and qtvote

    Erm, politicians have regular offices like anyone else. They don't run voting apps all day, they run regular productivity apps like anyone else. I don't see how gpoll and qtvote factor in.

  20. And this is different from 99% of IT how...? by ablair · · Score: 1

    This is just a continuation of the general IT-manger hostility to Mac and other non-Windows solutions. It's the *culture* that's been built around IT professionals: As has been said many times before, nobody every got fired for recommending Windows. This will be a very difficult culture bias to overcome everywhere, and in the hyper-critical world of politics where everything is under scrutiny (and perhaps rightly so) would you use an often-criticised platform when you've constantly got lots of other attacks to parry?

    Even so, I would have at least expected some California reps to use a few more Macs, supporting their home state industries and all.