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Starting a Computer Co-op?
spacechicken asks: "I am studying at a major university in Australia. As is the case with (almost) all educational facilities there are never enough computers available for students. So I (with some friends) are thinking about setting up a computer co-op at (or near) the university. In exchange for membership, members will get a small amount of storage and reduced usage and printing rates. The hope is to not only provide word processing/web surfing (using Linux, Staroffice6.0 and Netscape) but also access to various apps needed for serious academic work (eg CATIA, ProEngineer). We are planning to run standard PCs, with higher end machines if needed.
My question is, does anyone have any experience with this type of facility? Any advice?"
the first rule is to bathe once/week -at the most-, grow a long, scraggly beard (if you're male), refuse to shave your legs and armpits (if you're female), and ensure you've a ready supply of neo-Marxist drivel to spout whenever anyone complains that someone ought to actually -pay- for equipment, access, etc.
Do the above really well, and you may well be mistaken for either RMS or Esther Dyson!
Secondly, you should sell all the computing power to the university. Put all of your users processes at lower priorities, because, after all, the university is condoning your actions, so you'll need to give them something in return.
Finally, don't charge any money to anyone for the use of this facility. Just appropriate their machine when they're not looking. Make all their processes have equally low priority on all of the machines and you'll be set.
Oh, and if you have any trouble with people complaining to you about their missing machines, don't worry. You can just send them to Siberia.
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Hmm my educational insititution has plenty of comps, unused 99% of the time except for around finals, and even then not wholey used. Of course they keep on trying to raise the tech fees. I'd first ask the Institution to fix the problem.
If that doesn't work, well some places actually have extra space that if you are a Student Organization you can rent out, don't know the term of that rental thing though, or the distribution limits, and there are lots of rules involved with SOs normally. Still try to work within the beureaocraccy before breaking it.
I'd do something interesting, but my server can't handle a slashdotting.
I have no experience running a co-op either, but I can tell you how part of that problem is solved at my faculty (it's not the whole uni which does that). Actually, there's a co-op on campus, but they sell computers, and they also own the convenience store. And they're not run by students.
At the engineering faculty, the way it works is that the faculty puts some money, the departments put some more, and the students (undergrads) put some also.
The departments have department-wide computer rooms (usually with some lab stuff around), and loaded with the specific software needed by their students (ie, Catia/SolidWorks/IDEAS in ME, Composer Studio in EE, etc.). The faculty has some general purpose labs (Word, PowerPoint, IE, AutoCad LT, etc.). And the students's money? There's a committee of students which directs the money to departments according to the number of registrations, for specific projects: in the last years, they bought a powerful microscope for materials characterization, upgraded the P133 we had in ME, etc. All in all, there's about 250 computers accessible to students, for a total of about 1000 students for the fall semester (there's less at winter and summer because we normally finish in december, and it's almost fully coop, so roughly 40% of the students are away at any given time). And then there are the grad labs (usually more specialized in terms of software/hardware), the staff's computers, etc. But those are normally not accessible to students.
Is the problem that there's no space for additionnal computers, or is it that nobody wants to pay for them? And besides, if it's not on campus, people will rather work from home, even in team assignments.
Can't say I've ever had problems getting on a PC at Monash.
Perhaps your uni just sucks?
I've never heard of this application of a co-op before but I ve been in others, and this one sounds like a pretty good one. First, someone else said it but it is truely important you have to make sure that all the members feel like they belong. Not in a freindly way, although that helps, but in the sense of their actions impose a cost on other members. Second, I would suggest incorporating to limit liability. Third, try to think of all the possible nast situations that could come up while you are writing the bylaws. You might want to go visit some established co-ops for ideas here. Finally, after you are more established a good idea to broaden membership is allow people to join without paying out any money, working for the co-op or something similar. Good luck!
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Lemme guess... Sydney University? I'm there myself, and I heartily agree that there aren't enough terminals available. There's far too many Celeron 700s that are used as dumb X11 terminals, too!
- Viruses, hacking -- people trying to install keyloggers, etc. Mostly from inside, but also from outside. You're going to need to spend a bit on a decent, centralised, rapidly updating, anti-virus system. And/or key very up to date with security patches for your chosen OS and apps.
- Bandwidth hogs. You're going to need to install a quota system and/or traffic shaping, or else whatever pipe you've got is going to be saturated straight away.
- Porn. 'nuff said.
- Don't be surprised if someone uses your labs to cyber-stalk other students.
Expect the printers to spend most of their time down, particularly at the end of semester. It's not a huge amount of fun when someone who has had four months to do an assignment starts yelling at you because the printers are down for the last hour before their deadline.The only way it will work is if a small group really lay down the law as to what is and isn't going to happen. And that's not much of a co-op. You're better to present the case to the various departments that the current labs have reached capacity and new ones need to be brought on-line.
(Or possibly, someone could teach students that when the lecturer says that the presentation doesn't need to be in Powerpoint that it really doesn't and you don't have to spend 10 hours on the layout when you could just print off a set of overheads from Word.)
Lack of computers?? just switch to Acadia University (or a number of others for that matter) where they give you a laptop computer.. the ones they give the students in the fall have a DVD/CDRW Combo .. :) cant wait
Now I would expect that there are enough privately owned systems that a co-op would not be very viable. And I have doubts that you would have enough users of expensive special software to amortize the cost among them. And I would suggest that you at the very least confirm your original premise: As is the case with (almost) all educational facilities there are never enough computers available for students. What I found when running such a facility was that there was plenty of available computers, right up until the night before the assignments were due. Then people were backed up into the halls waiting for terminals. Be sure that's not the case at your target school, else you might find that you only have users on the night before the assignment is due, and then have more paying co-op members expecting the resource they paid extra for to be available than you can support.
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..our university sells and hires pc's and laptops to students. For something like a Euro a day, you can hire a desktop. Moreover, there is a sort of a co-op where you can get an account on a Linux-server and try your linux-software, check your mail, make backups, etc. But they don't provide other services since the number of volunteers is quite limited.
Very important: try to use rooms and other infrastructure from the university. Usually, they will provide it for free and especially a fast internet connection is something you want from them.
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I know this is a little off topic, but what about game houses? They've been popping up here at a rate of about 1 a month here in San Jose. For the price of a membership fee (usually about 2 hours of play) you can get a reduced hourly rate. Some places also offer pre-paid hours at a reduced rate.
Find a game house near you, i'm sure there are plenty around Sydney. Have your school administrators cut a deal with them. Something along the lines of a reduced rate when a student shows their student body card. Since the school would need a large volume of rental time, any game house would be stupid if they didn't ante up ANY deal the school wants. It works out for everyone because.
A. The game house gets free customers and advertising.
B. No real out of pocket expense for the school or you.
C. Zero maintenence costs, the gamehouse does all upgrades, takes care of the locking down the machines, upgrading to the latest hardware and software.
D. Zero liability for you or the school, since it would be up to the gamehouse to provide the security.
Most gamehouses have gig+ speed AMDs or Intels with a nice amount of ram and huge 21" monitors leather chairs, soda's, roaming profiles and the basic office suite of word and excel.
I don't know if this is a viable idea or not, but in your business plan (you ARE writing one, I hope?) be sure to budget for replacing the computers and software every 2-3 years on a rotating basis. The membership fees have to account not only for the cost of running the co-op but for upgrades.