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Jboss Release Open-Source EJB2 Server .

Posted by timothy on from the very-real dept.

m1nat0r writes: "According to jboss home Jboss 3.0 with support for EJB2 and clustering is out of beta and available as a production quality J2EE app server. Mark Fleury and the team have ruffled many a feather to get the project this far but you have to hand it to them - Jboss is providing a very real alternative to the commercial server vendors. You would think that the recent changes in the JCP to accommodate open source J2EE implementations can only reinforce that position."

38 comments

  1. What? by nomel · · Score: 0, Troll

    Who the hell would want to use anything but Microsoft products?

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft make a Dvorak keyboard?

  2. EJB2 Seems Good by adamy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just wish I wasn't so far down the road with EJB1 Spec that I can't shift. JBoss has been great...although right now an O/R problem has me pulling my hair out.

    the JMX stuff looks cool, and they've done great stuff with the hot deploy code, too. The development platform of choice for Java DB stuff.

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    1. Re:EJB2 Seems Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Just wish I wasn't so far down the road with EJB1 Spec that I can't shift. JBoss has been great...although right now an O/R problem has me pulling my hair out.

      shift now, before wasting any more time. EJB2 CMP is so much better than EJB1 was, and JBossCMP so much easier than JAWS, that you'll make up for all the time you spent pulling hair out.

    2. Re:EJB2 Seems Good by melquiades · · Score: 3, Informative

      although right now an O/R problem has me pulling my hair out

      You should definitely look at CMP2, which doesn't suck nearly as much as CMP1.

      Even more, you should look at JDO, which IMO is several miles beyond CMP in terms of flexibility, simplicity, and general usefulness. Instead of trying to solve all the EJB problems at once in the same object, as CMP does, it focuses on one problem -- object persistence -- and it's up to you to layer up your remote invocation, security, transaction boundaries, etc. Put your JDOs behind session beans, and you have a pretty comfortable alternative to messy ol' CMP.

  3. Gee, been out a while by David+Frankenstein · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uhh, JBoss 3.0.0 has been out since the end of May guys.... This news is a little stale.

    JBoss is pretty nice and Jetty seems really tight compared to Tomcat. If only there were better docs...

    1. Re:Gee, been out a while by kurowski · · Score: 4, Informative

      If only there were better docs...

      there are.

    2. Re:Gee, been out a while by dthable · · Score: 1

      Does anyone have these documents? I'm working on a project in JBoss and didn't know how good the paid documentation really is. Do they still leave a lot of information out or are they mostly complete?

    3. Re:Gee, been out a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have a book that forms the basis of the pay documentation

      If you wanted to get a sneak preview you could probably take a look at a Barnes and Noble or Borders. I believe that the pay documentation also comes with a bunch of examples and code samples - and you can get docs on the 3.0 clustering and CMP stuff that isn't yet available in print.

    4. Re:Gee, been out a while by dthable · · Score: 1

      I did a search at the local bookstores (Barnes and Noble and Borders included) but around here they don't carry that kind of stuff. I guess the one time charge is $10 (or at least is was). No great loss over $10. Still better that spending $1,000s on WebSphere only to be disapointed.

    5. Re:Gee, been out a while by jaaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have all but the clustering documentation. They've been decent. Not perfect, but often better than nothing and worth the $10. However the SAMS book that you can get the preview for(at least the edition I got a little while ago) is for the 2.3 & 2.4 series, NOT 3.0. You can get 3.0 documentation at sourceforge (look for the Quickstart pdf). Mostly I found the documentation was more for a serious programmer, not often good for someone new to J2EE. Also the 3.0 quickstart documentation is still in revision -- it's uncomplete. In general, when I need information, I check out the JBoss forums. They're up and running again.

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    6. Re:Gee, been out a while by galore · · Score: 1

      it looks like those docs are for 2.4.5 only.

    7. Re:Gee, been out a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, this news was posted then as well. But everyone knows there's no policy at slashdot what gets posted. It's all up on a dice.

    8. Re:Gee, been out a while by kurowski · · Score: 1

      i haven't read any of them but the JBossCMP docs, which are for 3.0.

    9. Re:Gee, been out a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can you get a non-pdf version of the docs? Searchability is the *only* reason to read something online. If I could get HTML (or even plain text) I'd pay twice as much. As it is, I'm wading through the free stuff.

    10. Re:Gee, been out a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can you get a non-pdf version of the docs? Searchability is the *only* reason to read something online. If I could get HTML (or even plain text) I'd pay twice as much. As it is, I'm wading through the free stuff until the book is out.

    11. Re:Gee, been out a while by kurowski · · Score: 1

      i bet if you emailed a jboss developer and said "i'll pay twice as much for an html version" they'd take you up on the offer.

  4. J2EE Compatability Testing by dthable · · Score: 1

    Since the whole JCP issue, has anyone heard of Sun making efforts to J2EE certify the JBoss package? Not that I really care about the label. It would just be kinda fun to include that on a status report sometime....hey look, that free software I wanted to develop with is certified just like WebSphere.

    1. Re:J2EE Compatability Testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the certification is very expensive and they can't afford it. sun wants to make sure no open source application servers succeed..

    2. Re:J2EE Compatability Testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The recent announcement Sun made about allowing JCP to release Open Source TCK only included very specific set of specifications -- in other words, you still cannot certify an Open Source J2EE application server unless Sun allows you the access to the test suite. So far they have decided to ignore all requests by the JBoss community to participate in the certification process. Therefore there still isn't a single Open Source J2EE application server with certification out there.

      The reason for this is most likely BEA, a company desperately struggling now that it is obvious that the J2EE platform will be commotidized. BEA does not have the Global Services and hardware solutions IBM does, and is really on its way out of the J2EE market. The question that remains is who will buy them: Sun? IBM? Oracle? Anyway you look at it, BEA is a dead company. Sun is still protecting them and responding to their pleas to not let Open Source to compete with equal standing with them. We will see how long that will last.

    3. Re:J2EE Compatability Testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they can afford it. Sun won't allow them the access to the test suite anyway.

    4. Re:J2EE Compatability Testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sun doesn't own JBoss. So it's really not in their interest to certify it. Actually, Sun licenses the certifications, essentially allowing companies that choose to, to co-brand with them.

      You wouldn't expect Nike to endorse the dude at the flea market selling knock off t-shirts with their logo, even if the quality was as good. You certainly wouldn't expect Nike to go out of their way to inspect his merchandize to make sure it was up to Nike standards, and provide him with an official certificate saying that yes, indeed Mr. Aguillar's t-shirts are 100% Nike certified products, just because he has a two-for-one sale the last afternoon of of the swap meet.

  5. Re:A Modest proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I would like to suggest an extension to the <ul> "HTML" tag. I propose a new qualifier be added - img src - to allow overriding the default list symbol.

    I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with Jboss, but I'll shed some light on that for you anyway.

    [X]HTML is trying to get away from becoming a pile of cosmetic tricks for UI that inevitably fail to have the same visual side effects from one browser to the next (and different versions of the same browser).

    In doing this, all visual detail aspects of html have been deprecated, and Cascading StyleSheets have taken on the responsibility of managing visual detail.

    To address the functionality you're looking for, this can already be done. See the list-style-image selector for CSS. You can set a default for all UL lists, or you can use CSS classes to apply different images to different lists.

  6. sweet! Though we are still missing by grimiore1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a good EJB open-source or "free" development environment....Eclipse looks promising, but it seems it's still missing EJB support

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  7. with the risc of sounding like a freeloader by cyborch · · Score: 1

    I would like to actually have a chance to use this product and then be happy to donate some money to the people making it if i like it, but without the documentation I hardly stand a chance of getting it to work seamlessly in my environment or even configure it properly, so I cannot really test it... This may be an ugly side effect of open source projects, but I find myself wishing for shareware...

    For non-free products try before you buy seemss very fair, but I cannot really try JBoss :(

    1. Re:with the risc of sounding like a freeloader by aussieaussieaussie · · Score: 1

      I suggest you check out the Jboss site as I have subscribed to their documentation program and am very happy with the 400+ page manual that accompanies the product. This is how they are viable to the tune of more than $2Mill USD.

    2. Re:with the risc of sounding like a freeloader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of free config doc available at www.jboss.org. Open up your eyes.