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OpenBSD 3.2 Pre-Release

Noryungi writes "Yep, OpenBSD 3.2 is now officially in pre-release, and can be pre-ordered from the openbsd.org web site as well. Another very, very wacky design for the CD as well... Is Theo de Raadt a fan of James Bond?"

22 comments

  1. Would buying a subscription filter this story? by duffbeer703 · · Score: -1, Troll

    Seems like a blatant advertisement to me...

    How much does placing an advertising "news" story cost, my company may be interested!

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    Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
    1. Re:Would buying a subscription filter this story? by Dokta_C · · Score: 1, Troll

      I see no endorsement of the product. => Not an Ad.

      If your company makes a product involving software published under the GPL or BSD license, submit it to /. you might get on the front page, and it will cost you nothing.

      Oh wait, you're just whining.

  2. It's Theo DeRaddt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    To michael and the submitter: The correct spelling of Theo's name is "DeRaadt." (capital D, no space). Just ask this guy.

    1. Re:It's Theo DeRaddt by almeida · · Score: 3, Informative

      The correct spelling is Theo de Raadt as indicated at Theo's dot com. It is also all over the OpenBSD webpage.

  3. merch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Why they dont make new shirts anymore????

  4. Default apache? by penguin_punk · · Score: 0, Troll

    What's with that default-looking apache install here?

    I hope that ssl is patched, right? Oh. I forgot, Theo doesn't make mistakes.....

    On a more serious side, you BSD guys are pissing me off, so I decided to take a step forward and help the cause. I ordered my 3.2 CD.

    I've had enough penguins to last a lifetime. Now it's time for some heavily-armed sushi. Wish me luck.

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    HURD - Hurd's Under Research & Development
    1. Re:Default apache? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2, Redundant
      What do I have to do to piss you off enough to send me some money?

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      If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
    2. Re:Default apache? by hitzroth · · Score: 2

      Send me n+1 dollars for every n you want me to send you.

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      In mathematics, one does not understand things, one merely gets used to them.
      --VonNeumann
  5. Developer reveals What Killed FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    The End of FreeBSD

    [eds note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

    To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

    To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

    To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

    Future

    I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

    However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

    You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

    = Mike

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    To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt
  6. FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE by MavEtJu · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    After reading this, I thought it would be only fair to mention this:

    FreeBSD 4.7 is out. Here is the announcement.

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    bash$ :(){ :|:&};:
    1. Re:FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a troll/flamebait/whatever, but *damn* ...

      Your website sucks ass!

    2. Re:FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE by penguin_punk · · Score: 1

      umm... I agree, (although I usually dislike all websites)

      but the real question is, what does your sig "bash$ :(){ :|:&};:" mean?

      I know it has something to do with 100% cpu usage, but I wouldn't mind if you explained it as well. Cheers.

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      HURD - Hurd's Under Research & Development
    3. Re:FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its a forkbomb.

  7. Great! Everone who loves OpenBSD should support! by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am a BSD guy, and I'm pleased you help the cause! So do I, I checked the openbsd website daily because I knew preordering was going to be possible very soon. So today, I logged in, saw one could preorder, did my preorder and my yearly donation. Then I checked slashdot and saw this story ;-)
    If you like a project, just support it...especially if you still are employed and can spare a few Euro's.

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  8. Re:Great! Everone who loves OpenBSD should support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm down with that action - but methinks before I get hardcopy of the CD's - I'm going to wait for the kickass new artwork to show up on a poster.
    Don't get me wrong, my systems will be upgraded (via FTP), I'd just like to put it all on one order.

  9. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

    1. Re:*BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

      It is official; Slashdot Troll now confirms: *BSD is dying

      "We never really believed it until a Troll on Slashdot said it."

  10. Remind me again, please...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    WHAT makes Obsd worth purchasing or supporting?
    It's certainly not the security, given the recent spate of r00tings. It's certainly not performance.

    Oh...it's because Theo an cr3w are |33+, of course...

    In short; donate early and often to worthwhile open source projects (suse? mysql?) early and often...and let the prima donna ridden WANK FEST known as OpenBSD sink to oblivion.

    Thank you, and have a GNU/night.

    1. Re:Remind me again, please...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Yeah, let's all support a company that's like MS... ie, RedHat, SuSe, etc.. LOL you troll.

    2. Re:Remind me again, please...? by Shanep · · Score: 4, Insightful

      WHAT makes Obsd worth purchasing or supporting?

      One remote hole in the default install in almost 6 years? I bet you were'nt even out of school 6 years ago.

      I mostly use OpenBSD for routers and firewalls (since 2.5), on which I disable ssh. Running *any* service (other than packet filtering or routing) on a firewall or router is not a good idea IMHO.

      It's certainly not the security, given the recent spate of r00tings.

      Anyone, who watched the errata page or read the lists and bothered to heed the bloody warnings WAS NOT ROOTED.

      It's certainly not performance.

      Do tell then...

      Oh...it's because Theo an cr3w are |33+, of course...

      They're a whole lot more |33+ than you arsehole. Where is your more secure OS then?

      In short; donate early and often to worthwhile open source projects (suse? mysql?) early and often...

      WTF!? SUSE? Why SUSE? I've got nothing against SUSE but why not Debian or Gentoo? If I was going to advocate supporting a Linux distro, it would be Debian or Gentoo. I have donated money to Debian in the past, BTW, in addition to official OpenBSD purchases.

      and let the prima donna ridden WANK FEST known as OpenBSD sink to oblivion.

      Thank you, and have a GNU/night.


      You are a moron.

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  11. Linux is dying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Linux faces a bleak future. In fact there may be no future at all for Linux because Linux is dying. Things are looking very bad for Linux. As many of us are already aware, Linux continues to lose market share; red ink flows like a river of blood. Slackware Linux is perhaps the most in endangered. Let's look at the numbers.

    MandrakeSoft's CEO Henri Poole states that there are 70000 users of Linux-Mandrake. How many users of Debian GNU/Linux are there? Let's see. The number of Linux-Mandrake versus GNU/Linux posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. The refore there are about 70000/5 = 14000 GNU/Linux users. Slackware posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of GNU/Linux posts. Therefore there are about 7000 users of Slackware. A recent article put RedHat Linux at about 80 percent of the Linux market. Therefore there are (70000+14000+7000)*4 = 364000 RedHat Linux users. This is consistent with the number of RedHat Linux Usenet posts.

    Now Linux companies are consolidating, overhauling their business plans, laying off staff, scaling back expansion plans and pushing back profitability schedules. "It would seem there are too many distributions for the market to bear," said Gartner analyst Tom Henkel. (http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,269 5638,00.html)

    Red Hat, Inc., the leader in developing deploying and managing open source linux solutions, announced on a reported basis, a net loss of $24.2 million. (http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-0 3-22-010-20-PS)

    Turbolinux, based in Brisbane, Calif., a Linux-based software provider has withdrawn a $60 million initial public offering "in light of current market conditions." (http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010320/n20215287_2.html) (http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/03/20/deals/ipo/)

    Clayton-based Linuxgruven.com, a Linux training and service company with 106 employees, laid off 100 employees (http://stlouis.bcentral.com/stlouis/stories/2001/ 03/05/daily41.html)

    Lineo withdrew its initial public offering in January. Caldera Systems delayed the acquisition of Santa Cruz Operations' Unix software by a quarter. Linuxcare laid off dozens in February, with Linuxcare co-founders Dave Sifry and Dave LaDuke are among those departing. VA Linux Systems cut 114 people in February and delayed its expected profitability by nine months. (http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,269 5638,00.html)

    Due to the troubles of Corel, abysmal sales and so on, Corel Linux is going out of business and was nearly taken over by Microsoft who sell another troubled OS. Owing to the GPL, SuSE is laying off almost all of its US staff. Major marketing surveys show that Linux has steadily declined in market share. Even LinuxWorld.com shut down "because of the economy and everything else" (http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/03/13/ 1720254&mode=nocomment)

    TuxRacer going closed source and commerical shows how, when it comes down to money, Linux doesn't cut it.

    Linux is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyists (i.e. those who dabble with Minix, Xinu, etc). Linux continues to falter. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Linux is dead.

  12. Re:Great! Everone who loves OpenBSD should support by Shanep · · Score: 2

    I'm going to wait for the kickass new artwork to show up on a poster.

    Me too. Well kinda. I've pre-ordered 3.2. I've purchased the CD's when I could since 2.5. But I also want some shirts and maybe a poster.

    I'd love to make use of the discount for volume shirt purchases, but I don't like 12 enough to buy them. More like 8.

    So I wish they'd make more shirts.

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