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Hardware for a Low-Powered Talk Radio Stations?

stevenso asks: "I would like to set up a low power radio station (on the cheap) that people could call up and discuss topics. To make it mostly hands-off (ie. I don't have to be there to pick up the phone) I was thinking of using a few voice modems and send the discussion via a sound card to a transmitter. Does anyone know if there is a software package that can handle multiple voice modems, setup a teleconference (mix the signals), and send it out as audio? Can you think of any other solution like using some sort of auto-answering/auto-conferencing system or VOIP or a way to conference cell phone signals? Please keep in mind this is a technical question not a question about FCC regulations."

31 comments

  1. Yeah, well, by King+of+the+World · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I can't advise on hardware, but hire the movie "Pump Up The Volume" before you do anything.

  2. Ask Slashdot by Sandman1971 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Slashdot, I would like to make my own hydroponics bay to grow pot (on the cheap) that people would smoke up and get a cheap buzz. I want to make it hands off (so I dont have to be there to watch them grow). I was thinking of using some old 15" monitors for lighting and a handful of CPUs for heat. Is there software packages that can control the local environment, add soil nutrients (and mix the soil) and send out a loud alarm if the cops show up? Please keep in mind this is a technical question not a question about DEA laws.

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    1. Re:Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [American sarcasm deleted]... Please keep in mind this is a technical question not a question about DEA laws.

      Please keep in mind that that many of us who participate at Slashdot live in jurisdictions where American laws such as those relating to the DMCA, FCC, and even marijuana DO NOT APPLY. Your quiet neighbour to the north is a good example. No DMCA and very lenient stance on pot, though I don't know what their FCC-equivalent is. At any rate... I think your sarcasm serves to amuse Americans and annoy non-Americans, which is probably what you wanted...

    2. Re:Ask Slashdot by Sandman1971 · · Score: 1

      Hate to shatter your pre-conceptions of me, but I'm not even American; I'm proudly Canadian! And in other news, growing marijuana is illegal in most civilized countries, including Canada. We are not more lenient in regards to pot. Yes, there are currently discussions by parlement officials to make pot legal, but at this time it's only talk and surveys. There are no proposed bill to legalize marijuana (legalized medicinal uses notwithstanding, which is already legal. But only 400 people out of 24 million are allowed to use it by law).

      And the CRTC, which is our equivalent to the FCC, is far more stringent and draconian in comparison to the FCC.

      And my sarcasm was an almost word-for word translation of the original poster's Ask Slashdot. DEA is the first thing that came to mind. So stop taking things so seriously. I was simply trying to show the editors of slashdot that have been posting really stupid "ask Slashdots" that the post was asking on how to do an illegal activity. Simply substituting pirate radiowaves for narcotics, both illegal in the US, showed that there was very little difference between the article they posted and my comment. (and before you go ranting again about it being US-centric again, the original article specifically mentioned the FCC, which is American).

      So open your mouth, take out your foot, and put in the other one.

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    3. Re:Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how hard it is for him to insert his foot into his mouth with his head so far up his ass. Must be quite a feat!

    4. Re:Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We [Canadians] are not more lenient in regards to pot.

      Ha. Two things to point out for you in regards to the leniency in Canada: (Vancouver, specifically)

      1. Blunt Bros "smoke friendly" cafe nudge, nudge, wink wink
      2. The New Amsterdam Cafe

      Downtown Vancouver. We all know people smoke their weed on the streets here freely without police caring. The city courts will not even hear a posession charge of less than 1 ounce. (!) There is not confiscation of weed unless police believe there is an intent to distribute. ie, smoke 'em if you got 'em. That's lenient enough. Show me that attitude in any city of similar size in the USA. But add to it the fact that several cafes exist solely for the purpose of allowing their customers to smoke up inside. That, my friend, is leniency that does not exist in the USA.

      But you're right. I'm taking this waaaay too seriously. I'm gonna go smoke up.

    5. Re:Ask Slashdot by Sandman1971 · · Score: 1

      That's not the country being more lenient. Drug control laws still include marijuana. What you just pointed out is the local police/RCMP not doing their jobs, since marijuana is still an illegal, controlled substance in this country. Try the same in any other city in the country and you'll either get fined or find your ass in jail. That's not leniency. That's the local law enforcement being ignorant and lazy. It's them choosing which laws to enforce and that's just plain wrong.

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    6. Re:Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. San Francisco has just as lenient policy on pot, and in fact, some protesters were handing out free pot because their "medicinal" pot store was shut down by the cops. I do not believe they got busted.

      Also, check out Mendocino county where they are very much lenient, and they even voted to allow residents to grow up to 2 pot plants for their own personal use.

    7. Re:Ask Slashdot by baudbarf · · Score: 1

      Simply substituting pirate radiowaves for narcotics, both illegal in the US, showed that there was very little difference between the article they posted and my comment.

      Dear sir, correct me if I've overlooked something, please, but I didn't see anything in that text that even suggested pirate radio waves. In fact, I also saw no mention of radio waves. My perception actually (yes, honestly) was that he wanted to make it an Internet radio station (over shoutcast or something). I do realize that Internet radio is not actually "radio" at all, but the word has been generalized.

      And if the gentleman was, in fact, referring to actual radio, how do you know he didn't mean a low-power radio station, one low-power enough to be legal? Yes, in fact, I believe he used the phrase "low power" in his first sentence.

      Was your assumption that he was asking for help in running a pirate radio station just that, an 'assumption', perhaps?

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  3. What about trolls by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it's 'hands off', how are you going to keep trolls from calling and using every banned word to try to get your license yanked? You know they will be there, so you have to have some kind of moderation to delete some messages.

    1. Re:What about trolls by Bastian · · Score: 2

      The FCC seems to stop listening to the radio after 10:00 PM. . .

    2. Re:What about trolls by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 2
      Or, more to the point, those that might complain to the FCC stop listening. Most enforcement agencies don't go looking for things to do, they work on problems where someone is actually complaining.

      The problem I'm thinking about is people who think it is funny to try to get as much profanity as they can into any communications channel for no reason. If it was really uncontrolled, someone could fill the entire channel with this crap making in unusable. Even if it isn't profanity that the FCC would shut you down for, it could make it useless for anyone else.

    3. Re:What about trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... the language regulations go out the door at ten. Google and you should find it.

  4. How about by fidget42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    a Mr. Microphone? $3.00 on eBay.

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  5. Ooh wells lets see ... by smallfries · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    ... is there anybody else out there doing this? Err, no, not as far as I know. So will there be any software available to do it ....

    come on, join the dots, 2+2=...

    Avoiding the whole point of useless Ask Slashdot questions, I'm sure there will be lots of posts that pick that apart. What you want isn't something that alot of other people would do so you'll have to roll your own (BTW the pot growing question above is quality). You need a SoftSwitch architecture that can accept the calls (which needs an SCTP stack running MU3A ontop, very fuzzy memory of this so that might be the wrong protocol). That will take care of call setup / cleardown, on top of which you need to write something similar to an IVR system. The audio comes across VoIP networks in a fairly clear format, the compression used is G729 which gives about an 8:1 compression ratio but is easy to decode. If you can't work out how to mix the raw audio streams together by yourself then give up now (and don't try anything that complex in real life eg walking and chewing gum).

    Now, in the above paragraph are names, sometimes we call these keywords, if you put them into this piece of technology called a 'Search Engine' then you will seek what you find grasshopper.

    I'm not sure whats worse, the people posting questions along the line of 'I really want to pick my own arse but my finger seems to get really smelly, are there any tools out there that will do this for me?' or the people who ok the submissions...

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    1. Re:Ooh wells lets see ... by TooTallFourThinking · · Score: 1

      Actually, the people at the Prometheus Radio Project has developed what they call a studio transmitter link (available on SourceForge, imagine that!). Basically, the setup goes like this: there is one transmitter, and two studios. Each studio is alloted a certain amount of time in the day. The audio from the studios is streamed to the transmitter, which decides on what stream to use and broadcasts it over the airwaves.

      It is not the cleanest setup, but it gets the job done. I would post a link to SourceForge but I keep getting the following error:

      "We apologize, our search server is temporarily overloaded. Please wait and try your search again"

      While the stl might not be exactly what the original poster was hoping for, it could be a good starting point to see how to do it (or how not to!!) ;-)

    2. Re:Ooh wells lets see ... by baudbarf · · Score: 1

      Please respect others.

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  6. Gee... by uradu · · Score: 2

    ...I wonder what kind of diatribe you launch into when someone asks you to pass the salt. You must really be the life of the party.

    1. Re:Gee... by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "What kind of question is that, 'Would you please pass the salt?'! You obviously expect me to pass the salt and if I don't want to, too bad for me. Well, maybe I don't want to pass the salt, which is a compound of sodium (Na) and chlorine (Cl). My grandfather was a victim of chemical warfare in World War I, they used chlorine gas on him and he still has problems breathing. And my cousin Jim took a big chunk of sodium one day and threw it in a bucket of water, well, he blew up the garage and set his house on fire. Now he's confined to a wheelchair although he's doing pretty good in the wheelchair marathons.

      "So maybe you can go search Google and find out where you can buy both sodium and concentrated chlorine, and make your own salt. Just don't ask me to get involved. Questions like yours make me wonder about the future of this country, when it is filled with people so ignorant of what they want, no idea how to do it themselves, and expecting everyone to do it for them. All just because you think your mashed potatoes are a little too bland.

      "Would you like the pepper, too?"

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    2. Re:Gee... by smallfries · · Score: 1

      ok,ok. Give in, I was feeling a bitty ratty before lunch when I posted it. yes it was a bitchy rant. point made. fair 'nuff, mumble mumble

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    3. Re:Gee... by RedWolves2 · · Score: 1

      Wow your grandfather is still alive and he was gased in WWI that is amazing.

    4. Re:Gee... by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2

      Well, he did say he has trouble breathing. Maybe that means he hasn't actually drawn a breath since 1972.

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    5. Re:Gee... by uradu · · Score: 2

      > My grandfather was a victim of chemical warfare in World War I

      That was probably my grandfather who threw the canister, he was said to be very fond of throwing them, something about the ft-ft-ft sound they made flying through the air. So, from grandson to grandson, sorry about that, no hard feelings.

    6. Re:Gee... by baudbarf · · Score: 1

      If I had moderation points I'd give you a "funny"!

      It's the thought that counts, right? :)

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  7. hmm by ReidMaynard · · Score: 2, Informative

    If I were to do this, I would look into an older, low end PBX, where yo can set a default confrence call mode; then just stream the output to a traditional radio transmitter.

    I can't wait for all the bathroom noises, slanderous statements, not to mention the "F*CK YOU" callers.

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  8. Transmitter equipment. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Stay FAR away from Broadcast Warehouse (http://www.broadcastwarehouse.com/)

    Note to self: Call these guys to figure out why the order we placed 2 months ago for some hardware to use for testing purposes hasn't arrived yet...

    Probably you're best off dealing with something built from a kit such as the Ramsey kits (I can't remember how good the Ramsey kits are though - I believe some of em' are subpar but have plenty of modifications that improve them drastically.) or other kit manufacturers.

    If you buy from one of the main players in the broadcast industry (BE, Harris, Nautel, etc.) you're going to be spending major $$$.

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  9. Huh? by adolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At what point did it become an obvious solution to use hideously complex computer hacks just to mix a couple of analog signals together?

    All you need is a few telephone interfaces that answer automatically, and a cheap DJ mixer or small PA console to plug them into.

    If you feel that you -must- use computer gear, the telephone interfaces can consist of external modems of any speed and ilk which have had the following command issued: ATS0=1&W. Things will be easier if the modem in question already has a headphone or speaker output, otherwise just wire its internal speaker to an (optional, and recommended) 1:1 transformer, and send the resultant signal to the mixer.

    If you also want the callers to be able to hear eachother over the phone instead of needing to listen over the radio, you'll also want to wire the mixer's output to the telephone device's input, with a potentiometer or suitable resister and possibly (if the device is meant to power a condenser microphone, as is often the case) a capacitor to block DC.

    Since you specifially mentioned that it wasn't a question about FCC regulations, I'll leave out the part about the stiff signal limiting and transmitter system performance. You'll find cheap transmitters at Ramsey Electronics. Be nice to your neighbors, though, and don't stomp on anyone else's frequencies.

    That all said: wouldn't it be simpler, cheaper, and perhaps better to just open a voice-enabled forum on Yahoo! Messenger, and advertise the fact in the local newspaper? This would appear to be a superior technical solution to the problem you're appearently trying to solve.

    1. Re:Huh? by stevenso · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great suggestions adolf. I started with the modems because I have them in hand. I thought I could hook them up with some conferencing software like asterisk or Bayonne(It looks like they support mostly high-end hardware). Using a telephone interface to a mixer would be much easier. The computer is important because eventually I want to hook this thing up to our local wireless network so we can put transmitters at various points around the city (like a repeater system). Also, it would allow callers to upload sound bites (via a web interface) to the system. I could play MP3s or other audio when no one else was on. Now that you mention Yahoo, I guess I could hook up to that too.

      It sounds like a silly idea but there doesn't seem to be a forum for discussing local topics in my town. Besides, a local gossip channel on the radio seems at least as much fun as watching crossfire :)

  10. flow by akb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out the Flow Studio to Transmitter Link project. It is being developed by the Philadelphia Independent Media Center and Radio Volta who are using it to feed audio to WPEB 88.1FM, a low power station in West Philly.

    They have used modems, 802.11b, and the Internet to do the actual link, I'm not sure what they are using right now.

    I strongly suggest you get in touch with the Prometheus Radio Project. They work with the above groups on this project and they help out LPFM's with all aspects of their stations, from the FCC process, to transmitter tech, studio setup, community outreach. They travel around the country holding radio "barnraisings" with the new crop of LPFM licenses that have been granted, I've been to one and it was fabulous.

  11. Leniency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not the country being more lenient. Drug control laws still include marijuana.

    The leniency is in the execution, not the theory. There are also laws against jay-walking, yet most cities don't enforce them. Could they? Yes. Do they? No. So are we lenient on jay-walkers? Yes.

    That's the local law enforcement being ignorant and lazy.

    Law enforcement has been instructed by the justice system to not fill up the courts with thousands of minor posession charges when more serious crimes need resources applied to them. It has nothing to do with ignorance and laziness. They are following orders as a result of limited funding. Perhaps this is a taxpayer issue if funding is insufficient.

    A similar effect has been seen in Vancouver as it relates to theft-from-auto charges. They're simply not laid anymore because the courts are full of minor cases and can't take any more. It is not ignorance; everyone is aware of the laws. It is not laziness; there are simply not enough bodies to do the overtime to process these cases. It is a lack of funding. Again, a taxpayer issue. Is this leniency towards thieves? Yes. (Is it a good thing, no, probably not. But it's leniency.)

  12. I have another question!! by baudbarf · · Score: 1

    Since we're on the topic, and we've probably got a lot of phone/radio phreaks reading this thread, I must hiijack it for my own question, which is too lame to ever be posted on Ask Slashdot! (or rather, with the quality of the usual questions, perhaps it isn't) :)

    I've got an automatic-recording device that plugs into my phone line and into my computer's sound card. Basically, I use it to convert telephone audio into a headset-type jack. I have a program called RecAll running, that starts logging MP3's to the hard drive when the line noise breaks squelch.

    The problem is that the person on the other end of the line sounds hella quiet, my end of the line sounds hella loud.

    Is this a common problem, and if so, how can it be solved? Are there any other (cheap) devices for bridging telephone and traditional audio equipment?

    Thank you!

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