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Tunguska-Sized Asteroids Impacts Not So Common

JoeGee writes "MSNBC.com is reporting that a new study aided by data from U.S. Military satellites is causing scientists to revise the frequency of Tunguska-like impacts downward. Military satellites used to detect rocket launches and/or nuclear flashes are also good at monitoring the frequency of flashes in the atmosphere caused by ten meter to one meter sized objects burning up in our atmosphere. The study has concluded that Earth encounters much less interplanetary debris than was previously thought, and Tunguska-scale events only occur on average of once every millenium."

24 comments

  1. Variable by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This information is only as good as the time period we've been collecting it for. Meteor frequency is quite variable, therefore one decade's (or less) observation may not be of much value.

  2. Let's just say... by suprnova · · Score: 3, Funny

    this is a good thing:

    "Peiser said the study was valuable in another way because it helped show the U.S. military can detect the difference between a nuclear explosion and a meteor that sets off a flash similar to it -- a capability he said could help governments avoid mistaking a meteor blast for a nuclear weapon.

    It would probably be good to have this capability to keep some guy with a key in a silo from pushing the panic button and obliterating us all....

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  3. Huh? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So if I read the article right, what they're saying is that because only X meteors of a given size hit Earth in a given period, only Y meteors of a much bigger size will hit Earth in a much longer period? How do they know that Y has any relation at all to X?

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    1. Re:Huh? by Merlin42 · · Score: 2

      My guess:
      If you look out into space and a ratio(lets say L:B) of little asteroids to big asteroids and if you make the assumption that for an individual asteroid its size does not effect its chances of hitting a planet then:
      X/Y=L/B => XB=YL => Y=XB/L
      Now if you want to get fancy and remove the above assumption then it wouldn't be all that difficult to run a monte carlo simulation where you initialize a solar system with different populations of asteroids and apply the laws of gravity to simulate a few million years and use the output statistics to replace the above ratios. Hmmm maybe I should write up a grant proposal and see if anyone would pay for that cluster I've always wanted ;)

    2. Re:Huh? by fava · · Score: 5, Insightful

      |\
      | \ Legend:
      | \ \ = Observed meteor data (small sizes)
      | \ or
      F | \ Telescope observations (large sizes)
      R | . . = Interpolated data
      E | . * = Tunguska sized
      Q | .
      U | *
      E | .
      N | .
      C | .
      Y | \
      | \
      | \
      +-----------------
      0 S I Z E

      According to the article there is a good coorilation between the
      meteor data for the small sizes and the telescope observations
      for the large sizes, therefore they assume that the graph is a
      resonable model of the sizes of the interplanetary debris.
      Therefore they feel that the interpolated data between the
      two data sets is fairly accurate.

      I cant believe that I am drawing ascii art graphs on slashdot.

      I need to get out more. (Actually I am going to the premere of the
      new Bond film this evening so I am getting out, just not enough)

    3. Re:Huh? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      Okay, that actually helps a lot. I appreciate the effort you put into the ASCII art. Have fun at the Bond film. ;)

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    4. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least you got some karma for your ascii efforts. Good job.

  4. Idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure your right about telling the difference between a nuke and a rock. But isn't it kinda obvious when the flash is over the ocean that Bush thinks it's time the those islamic militant dolphins where taught a lesson. Or someone could be blasting open the NorthWest passage with H-bombs so that oil in the North Atlantic could flow free to our Japanese and Soviet comrades?

  5. Well.... by cornjchob · · Score: 1

    I can tell you why Tunguska-sized asteroid impacts aren't so common: the fact that Tunguska was probably cause by a comet. Go figure.

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    1. Re:Well.... by uncoveror · · Score: 2

      We have very little to worry about from Asteroids, but we have a great deal to worry about from Space Invaders... ...what's the deal with all these asteroid stories? They are getting old.

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    2. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so is that comment.

    3. Re:Well.... by liquidice5 · · Score: 1

      I havent researched this much, but i did spend about an hour reading several different sites related to this

      I wasnt sure what "Tunguska" was or meant, so....

      well, anyway, I was more convinced of the Antimatter posibility than anything else
      where there was a given amount of antimatter in a field of some sort (plasma/magnetic/etc) and when it came into contact with the earth's more dense atmoshpere, the field was destroyed, bringing the antimatter into contact with regular ol' matter,

      KABOOM

      besides, the calculations i have heard about say that the object exploded some distance about the earth, which, yes, could have happened if there was fusion of hydrogen, but, the other effects of the Tunguska situation do not seem to go along with the comet theory

      (thats just the .02$US of a non-whatever i would need to study to know about this stuff)

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    4. Re:Well.... by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Informative

      One possibility is that is was a loosely held together lump of gravel. This would have pancaked in the atmosphere and eventually exploded.

      The problem is we don't know, and scientists are still debating it.

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  6. Nuclear Blast vs. Extraterrestail Assault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ability to distinguish between a terrestrially originated nuclear blast in inner space (requires rocket/launched satellite), and an extraterrestrial meteor encounter has been around for quite a while now. NORAD follows the rocket stuff, but more importantly, the spectral signatures of the two are not nearly the same, and are easily distinguishsable.

  7. For Those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.nature.com/nsu/021118/021118-7.html

  8. Re:For Those Interested in the Nature Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    D*mn this new keyboard. Here is the Nature Abstract on the this subject

  9. Bah! by KillerBob · · Score: 2

    Don't you read Spider Robinson? Tunguska wasn't caused by an asteroid, it was caused by Nikola Tesla's death ray device!

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  10. Based on hypothesis... by Mazzaroth · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The conclusion of the analysis is valid if the following hypothesis (somewhat related, i know) are considered as true:

    The rate of objects entering the atmosphere in the 10 years observation period is representative of the average rate of the 1000 years period of the conclusion

    The rate is constant (no asteroids or comets storms like the Leonids shooting stars storm we just observed)

    The sampling (300 meteors) is statistically significant

    The extrapolation/interpolation to bigger size meteors is valid.

    This is definitely not a sig.

  11. In related news... by fstanchina · · Score: 1

    ...scientists found out that mass extinction of entire species (say, dinosaurs) may only happen about once in a hundred million years or so.

    Come on, if it was any different, there would be records of unexplained explosions all over history books, not to mention that at least some of the holes would still be visible.

    1. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humans have a way of coming up with explanations for things, even when their knowledge of a particular area is lacking. For example, in ancient history nobody is going to say, due to lack of knowledge of astronomy and comets/asteroids, that X city was destroyed "by an unexplained explosion." They are going to say city X was "destroyed by the gods" or by God, or by some force that is within their perceived realm of understanding. And indeed there are such references in historical accounts (Sodom and Gomorrah for example).

  12. Once every millenium? We're still fucked! by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 0, Troll

    The Tunguska explosion devastated an area the size of England in the grimmest and most frostbitten lands of Siberia -- if one occurs every 1000 years, then it could absolutely devastate civilization and make the destruction of 9/11 seem absolutely trivial. If it had hit Europe or an ocean instead of killing a few Siberian eskimos, we would have been set back a century.

    Too bad there is no chance we'll ever develop a system to intercept asteroids should we ever have to within our lifetimes.

  13. Other Tunguska theories by geoswan · · Score: 2
    There are other Tunguska theories. One theory explaining the Tunguska explosion is that it was due to the release and subsequent explosion of a very large, high pressure, deposit of natural gas.

    Proponents of this theory describe how near the very center of the explosion the trees were unburnt. They say that the gas squirted out from the underground deposit under such high pressure, over a number of days, that an ice dome formed around the hole -- just like your can of canned air gets cold. This ice protected the most central trees.

    The explosion is said to be right over a natural gas field. The region of Siberia has huge natural gas reserves .