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Where Has All The Rubber Gone?
Makarand writes "We all recognize vehicle tailpipe emissions to be a source of pollution.
But what happens to the castoff rubber from your tires that have lost tread?
No one knew where this rubbber was going
until recently. Allison Draper, a professor of environmental chemistry
at Bucknell University, is conducting research to end all guess work on
this topic and with the hope of finding ways to make tires less polluting.
She found for every kilometer a car travels, about 90 milligrams of tread wears off in particles ranging in size 10-75 microns.Toxins in the larger suspended particles leach out when exposed to water and the run off harms plant and animal life.
These toxins are still being identified."
Prof. Draper recommends we start using wooden tires as in bullock carts.
I propose genetically engineered rodents whose lung tissue bonds with rubber particles, which in turn are eaten by stray cats that are attracted by extra-potent rodent pheromones. The cats are then collected and forced to vomit. Then the vomit is taken to the Springfield Perpetually Burning Tire Fire and set ablaze! Woah nellie, talk about a flash of insight into the mind of Rube Goldberg!
No one knew where this rubbber was going until recently.
Isn't it obbvious? They're making keybboards out of it now!
Well, I for one am married, so I only use that resource once a month at most. ;-)
On second thought this is slashdot, you don't know.
Thinking this over again what a sad loser i am...
I've always known where the tires went: in your lungs.
cut yr rubber pollution in half (or prob even more) by changing over to a motorcycle
:
added benefits
experience the joy of sweeping through curves on two wheels as opposed to whaling through them on four
riding a motorcycle is so dangerous you will be forced into a state of active meditation everytime you get out on the road
It (polution) starts to become really scarry when you start adding up all of the little things (like this) that you never think about. Especially when you add it's effect to the larger more commonley talked about polution problems.
Is because I patented magnetic wheels and steel roads!
Magnetic roads and steel wheels patent pending.
Ali
Ph33r m3!!!
I remember reading a while back about a guy that convinced Nike to remove a few of the toxins from their rubber soles so they would cause less problems for the environment. I wonder if the same thing could be done with tires.
I remember this question being posed 30 years ago. My rough recollection is that UV light was significant to the decomposition of the "rubber" bits (it's a petrol product) and that they were somehow biodegradable when washed away. It's noteworthy that the stuff doesn't pile up on the side of the road.
... what are the chances of a significant reformulation of tire rubber?
A figure I recall is that Americans use up 100 million tires a year.
The particulates causing asthma could be plausible. Another suspected culprit is diesel particulates or DEP. The particles may be more or less benign, but cause an irritation that might contribute the the rise in asthma and other respiratory problems.
Anyway
It looks like Dr. Draper is taking a very direct method of testing this out -- grind up tires, expose to water, raise test organisms in water. Looks like a very empirical approach.
One thing about the rubber that comes off tires is that it's worn and weathered. Both the surface where the wear is directly, and the particles themselves have had time to oxidize, which is going to change the types of compounds that you'll leach from your samples. More accurate results might be obtained if she took her ground samples, and let them age a bit while exposed to air and sunlight. Some substances would break down or be altered, while other new ones might be formed during this time.
After leaching the particles, you might then pass it through soil samples. Larger particulates will settle out, while some organic substances will bind to clays or be degraded by microbes. The results might be more like what actually ends up in run-off.
If she wanted to take a more reductionist approach, she could obtain the individual substances used in tires, and test them individually against her organisms. Butadiene rubber, Carbon black, Silica (sometimes), Sulfur vulcanizing agents, etc. This ignores any reactions that may occur between the ingredients (probably minimal for some ingredients like carbon black, but extensive for the vulcanizing agents, for example), but gives some hints as to what exactly is causing your problems.
How about the effects of "retread" tires on the environment? Here in BC, we have a lot of big trucks going through. Since new tires are expensive, they get continuous retreads (basically old tires with new tread applied). You see a lot of "gators" on the side of the road, in the road, etc where large portions of the retread have simply come loose and spun away.
Granted, retreading a tire is probably nicer on the environment than bringing out a whole new tire, but not when these retreads are laying along roadsides polluting etc.
Not to mention that some of these suckers are quite large. When they come flying off of big-rig towards you, it would be somewhat of a safety hazard?
90 mg/km = 1 kg per 11111 km =
1 lb or rubber per 3080 miles?
I have 70,000 mile tires on my car, so does that mean that when they're old, my tires will be 22lbs lighter, EACH?
I find this suspect...
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
... happen to come with your Ford Explorer ?
On a normal car *I* have to drive in, I would not trust tires that last 70.000 miles, because under adverse conditions (cold, wet) the rubber would be too hard to get good grip on the road.
If you want to reduce the cost of driving, buy a smaller car or drive more carefully to save on gas and tire wear, but do not risk your and your families health by compromising the single most important active safety component of your car.
I thought all the rubbers got flushed actually, I used to work at a sewerage works, we had millions of retreads to choose from.
If the treadwear rating on the tire is low (e.g. 60 for racing slicks), then the tires will wear out five times faster than the average passenger car tire (treadwear of about 300). It also depends on how you drive and what surfaces you drive on. Driving over crushed shale on your way to these remote towns north of the Arctic Circle is a lot worse than driving over freshly paved smooth blacktop. But there's a bigger problem here. Most of the mass of the tires is in the steel belts and the sidewalls to keep its integrity. I don't disagree that there may be some impact from tire dust, but this sounds like another misguided crusade to try and find something wrong with cars with respect to the environment.
... the influence of synthetic hormones on wildlife is threatening aquatic species by feminizing males. (No, those hormones are not rendered inactive either by the body or by sewage-treatment plants.) Latex, so long as you aren't allergic to it, at least has the benefit that it's biodegradable.
Scientists restrict study to entire physical universe; creationist
... the wisdom of a Degreed Environmental Scientist(tm)? To the gallows wit' ye!
I remember reading recently (within the last year) that a naturally occuring bacteria has been found along roadsides that actually break down and digest the rubber debri from tires. Again, these were NATURALLY occurring organisms, not GMOs. The lack of rubber debri buildup had puzzled scientists for years until this discovery.
You've got to remember the second law of thermodynamics: all things move from order to disorder (at least I think it was the second law... :) ). Nature has a way of breaking down just about everything, even our pollution! It may take time, and yes, we can "overproduce" polution, overwhelming the natural process. We simply need to pace production to meet measured, natural remediation. Sometimes, we need to give it a helping hand to make things better (our hand in defying that same "second law" that we are relying on.) Sometimes relying on nature and its cycle is not wise because the presence of certain chemicals in the environment, even if they do get broken down quickly, could cause health problems.
Another thought... When one large volcano erupts once, and we're talking a big blast here, not your typical "I think the mountain god is hungry" type of rumble, Chloro Flouro Carbons (however you spell it) and other polution (typically only linked with modern industrial pollution) are pumped into the environment in volumes in excess of ALL modern pollution over its entire history. Yea, the ash drops the temperature/raises the temperature, causes storms and other hellish environmental catastrophies, but it passes. The cycle catches up, sun goes up, sun goes down.
I'm adamantly FOR environmental responsibility. I am also for a LEARNED response to otherwise fear inciting "discoveries". Think it out. Learn the process. Compare with past evidences. THEN make policy. If something comes up that seems to contradict the policy, follow the same procedures and if the policy is wrong, change it.
Pure environmentalists are great people. We would lack the necessary conscience to take proper care of our environment without them. They are, however, oversensative to their ideals and, so, should not be running the policy. Just like RMS should not be "running" the open source movement. He is a great voice in the frey. Without him, we would not have gotten as far as we have, nor will we get were we need to be without his voice and others like his. The edgyness of his idealism, however, would drive too many people from the cause if he were "in charge". He's a great man in the struggle and his opinion should be listened to and respected. In the same way, environmentalists should be listened to and respected. Just don't give them the keys to the armory! We'd all be dead for stepping on ants!
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Haven't you always wondered how they made the black licorice nibs?...
I have some friends who are strong greenies, and most of them understand that humans are going to have an impact, and what they would like to have happen are the small changes that we have from time to time such as recycling bins efforts to carpoole etc.
However most of them also note that whatever they ask for they will only get a comprimise if they get anything at all. This is why they ask for so much.
As my friend told me "if you want a hundred bucks, don't ask for a hundred bucks ask for a thousand, you will be stoked if you get the whole thing, but you will be satisfied if you only get a tenth of what you ask for"
I used to have a cool sig, back when I cared
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) documents all kinds of air pollution (literally) in AP-42. Section 13.2.1 addresses paved roads, and section 13.2.2 addresses unpaved roads.
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