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Fake Snow from Potato Starch

Makarand writes "According to this article on Nature.com German chemists have created a new biodegradable type of fake snow from potato starch for the film industry. Most artificial snow types are plastic and it is impossible to pick up all the snow flakes scattered on film sets. The new snow presents no such problems. A good soaking is all that is needed to dissolve these biodegradable snow flakes. The process involves using starch from corn, potatoes or seaweed and puffing it up to make a spongy foam resembling snow."

47 comments

  1. Evil plot to off a superhero by grammar+nazi · · Score: 3, Funny

    How will Iodine-man stay camouflaged if the snow is made of starch? Without Iodine-man's camouflage, the world is doomed!!!

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  2. So this is what happened to HAILSTORM? by Tune · · Score: 2

    Wow. So Hailstorm wasn't about a brave new e-service. Rather just another plot of Microsoft to take over the movie industry. But it's sad they need German scientists to cover up their involvement, why can't they just admit they like both Hollywoon and potatoes?

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  3. how is this "new" ? by spike666 · · Score: 2

    filmmakers have been using potato buds for decades to fake snow scenes...

    i know that in Home Alone for some of the winter scenes they used a combination of real ice-made snow and potato buds to create snow in 50F weather...

    1. Re:how is this "new" ? by stickb0y · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed.

      http://csmweb2.emcweb.com/durable/2000/08/01/p18s1 .htm has more information on various techniques filmmakers use for making various storms.

      This new development seems more evolutionary than revolutionary.

  4. Fake Potato by Tin+Weasil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interesting.

    It sounds like it would take a LOT of potatos to blanket a complete scene in this kind of fake snow.

    I wonder if anyone has considered using all of these potatos for any other purposes... like maybe feeding hungry people?

    Seriously, I think that everyone would be better served if they would just develop a better method for collecting all of the old plastic fake snow after it had been used. That way it could be recycled as fake snow for the next motion picture.

    1. Re:Fake Potato by exploder · · Score: 4, Informative

      Riiight...because as we all know, the reason people are hungry is because there just isn't enough food to go around.

      Idiot.

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    2. Re:Fake Potato by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seriously, I think that everyone would be better served if they would just develop a better method for collecting all of the old plastic fake snow after it had been used. That way it could be recycled as fake snow for the next motion picture.

      Fine, except then the snow will be dirty after it gets swept up off the ground. So, unless the directors will accept beige snow, you're going to have to wash the fake snow, which requires quite a bit of water.

      Did you consider using all that water for other purposes... like maybe irrigating crops to feed hungry people?

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    3. Re:Fake Potato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh!!, You said drop the fake potatoes

      I thought you said baked potatoes...

    4. Re:Fake Potato by helix400 · · Score: 3
      I wonder if anyone has considered using all of these potatos for any other purposes... like maybe feeding hungry people?

      How dare those evil Hollywood producers, using their own money to buy things for themselves! There should be a law against that!

      Oh wait, that's called Communism

    5. Re:Fake Potato by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      Throughout human history, when the going to tough, we upped and moved. I have no sympathy for anyone who sticks around a famminous area, just like I have no sympathy for people who live on cliff edges, flood plains or coast lines. It's dumb, dumb, dumb. "Canidates for natural selection" is what I call them. If you're dumb enough not to move out of a barren area into a fertile one, then I 'd prefer that you didn't stay in the gene pool.

      Now if you are not permitted to leave a country or enter a neighboring one, it's slightly different. But I get pissed at Sally Struthers saying 'feed the children' don't FEED them, MOVE them! Problem solved!

      I kknow I sound like a hard-ass but it's for their own good.

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    6. Re:Fake Potato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who have little food can alleviate future problems by NOT BREEDING. Poverty is a choice.

    7. Re:Fake Potato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not feed them the leftover snowtatoes?

    8. Re:Fake Potato by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      Also the more educated the society, the less children they have. (It was covered on /. a while ago, search for population decline, details are in some study done for the governments of the world)

      This will lead to a hude dichotomy between the weathly and educated versus the uneducated, rapidly breeding people in poverty. If something isn't done, shit gonna happen.

      The saddest thing though, is that those who are born into poverty don't choose it themselves. Maybe I'm not such a hard-ass after all?

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    9. Re:Fake Potato by bozojoe · · Score: 1

      Ahhh.... were you parents(if you had any) mean to you as a child?

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    10. Re:Fake Potato by MaverickUW · · Score: 2, Informative
      Okay, you're missing a few things here. I happen to work for a farm that supplies potatos to Frito Lay (occassionally up to a million pounds a day). If you saw the number of potatos that normally get rejected or filtered out for some reason, you could understand how this could be a good thing. Like many foods, potatos for human consumption have to meet certain requirements, and those used for stuff like chips have to meet even tougher requirements. As a result, many many tons of potatos are generally thrown out in some fashion or another. Many times they're sent to be mashed up for non-human use, so it's actually doubtful that the people doing this would actually use the human-consumable quality, as that's worth more than double what the really crappy quality stuff is, and the crappy quality stuff still has all the starch in it.

      Perhaps paying farmers for the crops they have to throw away will make more of them more willing to grow more food for feeding hungry people?

    11. Re:Fake Potato by Alsee · · Score: 2

      Well, now that they aren't using the plastic snow anymore they can just feed that to the hungry people.

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    12. Re:Fake Potato by ottawanker · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that most of the people in starving nations would gladly move to somewhere like the United States or Canada (insert other country here) or elsewhere, but its not like they can just go buy a plane ticket, fly there, buy a house, and start a new life..

      It's a question of cost.. What's cheaper and easiest, moving everyone, or just shipping them some food once in a while?

      Also, as for the fact that most people in impoverished have more children than those in other nations, that's because there's not much else to do.. I mean, what would you do if you and your girlfriend were sitting around the house, and there was no Nintendo, Slashdot, or Back to the Future DVDs?

      .. And you probably wouldn't have the money to afford the condoms or birth control either.

    13. Re:Fake Potato by Fat+Casper · · Score: 2
      I wonder if anyone has considered using all of these potatos for any other purposes... like maybe feeding hungry people?

      They might even do it with the potatoes.

      Seriously, I think that everyone would be better served if you just took the money you were going to waste on a ticket to the movie with fake snow and donate it to the hungry.

      Waste is in the eye of the beholder, pal. Think of the man hours or energy or time on the set. Would you rather the producers spend more money on those instead?

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  5. That's nice but... by uncoveror · · Score: 2

    ...Can you ski on it?

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    1. Re:That's nice but... by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      ...Can you ski on it? Only once. After that it is too mashed.

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  6. Tidbit from the History of Snow in Movies by Paul+Burney · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The movie "It's a Wonderful Life" won a special Academy Award (Oscar) for its invention of a new way to make realistic looking snow for the movies (a kind of plastic/foam used by fire departments).

    Before that, movie productions used cornflakes painted white. They were loud, leading to sound problems that required redubbing. Moreover, they caused rodent infestation problems.

    I wonder if these potato starch snowflakes are going to cause problems simialr to ones the corn flakes caused?

    BTW, I learned this from an interview on the Motley Fool radio show last night:

    A conversation with film historian Jeanine Basinger about the business behind the Frank Capra holiday classic. (14:40)
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    1. Re:Tidbit from the History of Snow in Movies by rpresser · · Score: 1

      Moreover, they caused rodent infestation problems.

      I wonder if these potato starch snowflakes are going to cause problems simialr to ones the corn flakes caused?

      The very first thing I thought of when reading the story was, "Won't that promote rampant mold growth?"

  7. It should be healthier... by vudufixit · · Score: 1

    Another benefit to these potato flakes is that they wouldn't be as harmful as the plastic ones if accidentally inhaled or ingested.

    1. Re:It should be healthier... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Another benefit to these potato flakes is that they wouldn't be as harmful as the plastic ones if accidentally inhaled or ingested.

      Yeah, but they might go strait to your hips, which to a star is worse than death.

  8. wow.. by tewmten · · Score: 0

    I like potatoes :D

  9. Watch the weather... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2

    A little bit of rain, and the set will turn into potato soup.

    [pictures Tara Reid floundering around in potato paste]

  10. Packing Pea ^H^H^HPotatos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    When you're unpacking all your mail order toys be on the lookout for this stuff. Back in the early 90's we got some supplies delivered to our Bio class in High School and the Packing Peanuts were made out of starch (not sure if it was potato). They look like the Cheese-Doodle type not the S-shaped. They're not as white as the polystyrene kind. If you wet your finger (lick it) and touch one it will be sticky/slimey. We disposed of them by washing them down the sink with warm water. Some spit (amylase digests starch) would prolly speed it up.

    1. Re:Packing Pea ^H^H^HPotatos by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 2

      I was just going to ask if it's really that much of an "innovation" if I get a VCR packed in potato snow...

      Also, to head it off, it doesn't taste good. I don't think you can spice it up enough. Maybe baking?

      There should be a recipe book.

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    2. Re:Packing Pea ^H^H^HPotatos by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      You can lick'em, and stick'em to each other, other things, and even walls and filinf cabinets. I made a sphere out of them for a mobile once.

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  11. *Looks up at snow* by bagsc · · Score: 1

    *Whips out the sour cream and chives, and sticks out his tounge*

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  12. Why not... by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 0

    Use real snow and shoot on location? After all, they're spending millions of dollars on each actor, they could at least afford to do that.

    1. Re:Why not... by SB5 · · Score: 1
      Use real snow and shoot on location? After all, they're spending millions of dollars on each actor, they could at least afford to do that.


      I don't know how that would happen since you can't really schedule a snowstorm. Especially since we haven't been that great at predicting the weather.
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    2. Re:Why not... by stickb0y · · Score: 1

      Probably for the same reason they can't use potatoes instead of ice cream: sets get hot.

  13. unintended consequences by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Cook: "I don't understand why nobody is ordering potatos this week. Are they tired of them?"

    On another note, it reminds me of a Hieniken (sp?) beverage TV commercial. You see a view of an office building with bunch of snow falling from the sky to the xmas tune of "Let it Snow". On the first floor is a group of people enjoying a drink in a cozy pub. The camera then pans up to near the top floor and you can eventually see that the snow is really a bunch of documents being shreaded by a roomful of worried accountants. Closing caption:

    "To all those who have not been naughty this year: a Hieniken"

    Why don't the studios simply buy some Worldcom and Enron confetti?

  14. 3. PROFIT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, there might be money in my dandruff!

  15. In other news... by bobdotorg · · Score: 2

    I looked outside and the ants are doing a victory dance.

    I live in Studio City (a suburb of L.A.) and there are movie shoots on my street all of the time (I live down the street from Captain Kirk).

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  16. How about rice? by jridley · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to the DVD extras on the extended edition of Fellowship of the Rings, they used a rice product, not plastic. So apparently degradable fake snow is not exactly new.

    (wow, how's that for geek karma?)

  17. Fake Potato Starch from Snow by The+Gline · · Score: 2

    ...Now that's an innovation!

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  18. SPONGY FOAM!?! by rasjani · · Score: 2

    Oh man, allmost christmas.. Im looking out and its allmost -15C outside. Aah and the snow. That wonderfull spongy foam. .ffm! WHAT ! SPONGY FOAM!?!?!

    Man i gotta lay off from that crack pipe for a while..

    Seriously. I wouldnt describe snow as spongy.. Nor foam. Having lived thru quite a few snowy days down here in finland where polarbears poo icycles.

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    1. Re:SPONGY FOAM!?! by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Nice sig. Fooled me.

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    2. Re:SPONGY FOAM!?! by Scrameustache · · Score: 2
      Seriously. I wouldnt describe snow as spongy.. Nor foam. Having lived thru quite a few snowy days down here in finland where polarbears poo icycles.


      Hurrah for finland!

      I'm writing from Canada, and I too think that "tv snow" looks nothing like real snow (except for the colour). But hey, it never snows in hollywood : )

      PS I never cared to check what polar bears poo...

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  19. Hey, its even edible! by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    So whey they smack someone in the face with a fake snowball on the set.. no need to freak out :)

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  20. The DEA by yerricde · · Score: 1

    What will the USA Drug Enforcement Agency think about making cocaine, known on the street as "snow", from potato starch?

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    1. Re:The DEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being somewhat "street wise", I don't think I have heard Cocaine refered to as "Snow" since the 80s... Just in case anyone here is looking for Cocaine, asking around for Snow if probably going to get you some odd looks.

    2. Re:The DEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would the DEA think about shutting you and your bad jokes the fuck up?

  21. These actually have a hexagonal microstructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cuzz they puffed em up real good

  22. How to make Starch from Frozen Potatoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Potatoes much frozen will make very good starch, though it is a shade darker in color. All coarse clothes requiring to be stiffened, where whiteness is no object, may be done with starch made from potatoes greatly penetrated with frost. The best method of making potatoes into starch is to grate them down into water, then to take out all the refuse with the hand, and next to strain the whole of the water in which the potatoes have been grated through a thin cloth, rather coarse, or fine sieve, and afterwards frequently putting on and pouring off water until it comes clear from the starch, which is always allowed to settle or fall to the bottom of the vessel in which the operation is performed. An experiment was tried with a few potatoes that were put out to frost. They were grated down and made into starch powder. The produce of the fresh potato weighed 876 grains, while that of the frosted was only 412, being less than half the quantity.
    The refuse of the potato, when taken from the sieve, possesses the property of cleansing woollen cloths without hurting their colors, and the water decanted from the starch powder is excellent for cleansing silks without the smallest injury to their color. In making hair-powder it has long been used, and is therefore well known.