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Tauzin To Delay National "Do Not Call" List
akb writes "The Washington Post is reporting that Billy Tauzin (R, LA), powerful chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, has told the FTC that he will block their request for funding for the national do-not-call list in order to review the plan. A spokesman said Tauzin does not oppose the creation of the do-not-call list but is concerned with giving the FTC carte-blanche and would like to clarify what the role of the FCC is in the matter. The FTC had hoped the do-not-call list would be implemented by the middle of this year, they said delay in the funding proposal would push implementation back at least 6 months."
I'd stop it too.
oh, and first post...
Actually, Federal Commissions suck.
Goddamn Democratic Bureaucrats.
How does a two week delay results in a six-month time loss?
Fucking assholes. Now they'll just need more money.
A spokesman said Tauzin does not oppose the creation of the do-not-call list but is concerned with giving the FTC carte-blanche and would like to clarify what the role of the FCC is in the matter
Sure... don't believe everything a politician says.
It's much more politically feasable to say "I just need to check on the FTC powers" then to say
"My funders oppose the do-not-call list".
Tauzin is not wanting to block the do-not-call list. He wants to make sure that it is done the first time correctly. Taking 6 months now to make sure that it starts out right will be a ton better then needing years later to correct issues with the call list.
Tauzin is also concerned about the overlapping jurisdiction of the FTC and FCC. If the jurisdictional issues aren't dealt with before hand we might end up with 2 do-not-call lists or a prohibitive amount of regulation for companies to deal with.
If this do-not-call list is going to work, we must stop and make sure that this is being implemented in the most effective manner.
-Brent
To say it plainly: In the current form, a credit card company could call you even if you're on the do-not-call list. Once the FCC is in the picture, that credit card company is also blocked from calling.
I can't say that I don't give a fuck. I've just run out of fuck to give.
TELEMARKETERS BLOCK YOU!!!!
C'mon, now who really profits from telemarketing? <cough>#2</cough>
It's just a coincidence, people.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
The title uses the word "delay", the spokesperson's statment saying Tauzin doesn't oppose the d-n-c list is the 2nd sentence, the word "block" is applied to the funding the same as in WP article.
What is misleading?
...to investigate it now and block it if it doesn't pass muster?
This story would sound reasonable, except that there is another story in which the facts are easier to check: Telephone Price Wars Called Off. The story says that the long distance companies are losing money and need to raise their rates. I think the truth is that providing long-distance services has become cheaper, and they are only trying to squeeze the customers. Why do I think that? Look at BigZoo. That company is able to make a profit at 2.9 cents per minute and 75 cents per month.
If you begin to doubt the "telephone companies are poor" story, then it is likely that you will doubt the "Billy Tauzin is only thinking of how to manage this best" story.
Here is a southern Repbulican man who, even though he is an adult, is still called by the diminutive name "Billy". Is is possible that he would take $16,250 to slow the passage of extremely popular legislation while he tries to stop it? Has such a thing ever happened before? Or, is it true that Billy is taking an intellectual interest in the bill?
Did this whole idea of having a do-not-call list jump into reality last week? No, it has been around for a long time. Billy Tauzin could have "studied" it before.
A lot of newspaper stories are really paid advertisements for a point of view the payers want you to believe.
As a resident of Massachusetts, I will now take this moment to laugh in your collective faces.
*laughs*
That is all.
I caught a few minutes of the committee on C-SPAN this morning. Tauzin sure sounded like he was trying to get a reasonable understanding of how FTC's work was being done, and how it might mesh with the FCC.
What struck me was their budget for this program -- $16 Million. I dunno - is it just me, or does $16M sound like a lot of money for a relatively simple database? (Or am I mistaken about the database being simple?)
> It's much more politically feasable to say "I just need to check on the FTC powers" then to say "My funders oppose the do-not-call list".
Voters' votes, donors' funds?
Politics is one hell of an optimization problem.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
We already have a no-call list in Colorado, and guess what the first thing that happened is? Companies had to pay for the list, and so the companies that couldn't pay couldn't call anyone. Also, Qwest(Ride a light? But Gandalf, how am I to find this light?) managed to get themselves out of having to use the list. Who knows what companies will slide out of this if it is used across the US?
"... is it just me, or does $16M sound like a lot of money for a relatively simple database?"
Especially since I would be willing to do it for $250,000, no, make that $500,000.
Place your bids now. We can send them to Billy's office, and show the price for the fraud it really is.
...telemarketers call you!
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Face it, when money talks in our dictatorship-I-mean-democratic republic, legislators tend to listen. There are only two things that can be done, let the states hold their Congresscritters accountable criminally and civilly so that even if the feds don't take action, the states are free to do so. Then reduce the size of the government so that the average corporation won't get anything from lobbying. The **AA would stop lobbying overnight if the courts took a hardline, strict constructionist interpretation of Article I, Section 8, Clause 8.
You get the kind of government you vote for. Are you whiners really voting for the right party (LP)? Thought not.
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
The credit-rating agencies jointly offer a service designed to prevent pre-approved credit card offers from being sent. As you probably have heard, these offers can be a security risk if someone pilfers one and fills it out with their address (why the credit card companies don't use better security is beyond me).
More information from FTC.
Note this is a junk mail problem, lasts just 2 years, and won't suppress offers from companies that do not use the credit-rating agencies -- but the call is automated and really fast. The FTC also lists the addresses for DMA junk mail and telemarketing opt-outs.
If you don't like it, don't just post your whining on Slashdot.
Tell Reps. Tauzin and Dingell how you feel about this by sending them email from the U.S. House's "Write Your Representative" website at http://www.house.gov/writerep/. Just enter the state of Lousiana and zipcode 70360-1111, and your email will go to Tauzin. Dingell is in Michigan at 48124-1111. Make sure you also send one to your own rep. Maybe a few thousand (dare I hope, 100,000?) protests will help them reconsider.
Here's what I just sent them:
"I am very disappointed that you have blocked the initial $16M funding for the FTC's proposed national do-not-call list, as reported by the Washington Port. The money requested is very small, and the benefit to consumers is very large. Most consumers strongly favor, AND WOULD USE, the list if offered it. That the telemarketers association opposes it is only to be expected, and should not affect the FTC being allowed to pursue its development.
Please reconsider your action, and permit immediate funding for the FTC's nationwide do-not-call list.
Thank you."
Consider the specifications of the system that will hold do-not-call information. Everyone who doesn't want their telephone system abused will make one entry into the database every time they change their telephone number. I figure, on average, one entry every two years.
I've got a 386SX-16 computer around somewhere. That's probably overkill. Looks like I'll be making a profit on my $500,000 bid.
Tauzin W J 'Billy' U S Congressman
426 Lafayette St
Houma, LA 70360
985-876-3033
Perhaps if he took the time to ask each and every telemarketer to put him on their 'do not call' list, he may have a change of heart.
Though maybe he'd take the easy road and call his friends at BellSouth that donated $16,250 to him. I bet they have a 'do not call' list that doesn't take a year to get up and running...
Of course signing someone else up for telemarketing is presumably some sort of electronic or mail fraud, so of course I'm not suggesting that anyone actually do this. This post is purely for entertainment purposes.
Saw a congressional discussion about this on CPAN satellite channel last night. Programmers would recognize that those talking are not serious about understanding and solving problems.
So at an average of two calls per day from people changing phone numbers, that bid would pay you to answer 410,000 calls per day? Okay, only 1/3 population would sign up, but 130,000 calls per day is still quite hefty.
And that wouldn't even cover the enquiries from telemarketers wanting to check a phone number. Suppose you made an internet form to do so, you'd still need a fair few Oracle licenses, and a Solaris server or two.
You wouldn't be able to publish the list; it's necessary for privacy that the telemarketer needs to ask "is 01291 272 272 okay to call", rather than just "tell me who I can't call"
"So at an average of two calls per day from people changing phone numbers."
Sorry, I meant to say "one call per two years", which is what the calculations are based upon
I don't understand why the telemarketing lobby is against the do-not-call list. Surely, it is an effective way of identifying the least receptive segment of the population and eliminating them from their advertising budget.
Won't this result in more hits for less effort, or am I missing something blindingly obvious?
BTW, here in the UK we have national do-not-call, do-not-mail and do-not-fax opt-out lists, and I'm on all three. So far, the DNC list seems to be working, but I still seem to get lots of junk mail for some reason. Oh, and I don't actually have a fax, but those telemarketers are so terribly cunning I though it best to cover all the bases...
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I'm guessing that the call center would be entirely automated. There are no decisions to be made. Touch-tone entries would be enough.
Let's see.... you have to:
- have an automated system, capturing ANI, doing IVR (interactive voice response in mutiple languages) to take calls to an 800 number
- have to PAY the bill on the 800 number (figure about 30 cents per call, 60 million calls annually).
- have a system whereby the 16,000 telemarketing companies can access the database of 80 million phone numbers easily and effeciently.
- not to mention alternative signup methods for the disabled and people without touch-tone phones. And of course, the mail-in requests for people with multiple numbers on the same line that can't be captured by ANI.
- then you also have to handle removals after whatever period they specify, number reassignments via the local exchange carriers, and some commentors are suggesting that the USPS NCOA (National Change of Address database) be used to do removals.
$16 million is pretty reasonable.
Exactly. Been on the list since it was first uttered.
It works like a charm too. Haven't been called since!
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And it rocks. The only problem is that for some odd reason, churches and police officers are exempt. I think there are a couple other groups, but since I've been put on the list, i haven't been called by a telemarketer.
Not once.
This was a few years ago too.
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I would have those people leave their address and phone number, and have transcribers send them a form to fill out.
My understanding is that the $16 million is just for setting up the system. There would, of course, be a yearly cost.
Tauzin....one of the most paid off politicians in history! Once again, he shows how little he cares about the people who put him in office..and how much he cares about the telemarketing industry who helpe greas his pockets...
So, can I put my e-mail on the do not e-mail list and never get a spam again?