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Open Source Winning Java Server Market
Seldo writes "C|net is reporting that free open-source J2EE servers are gaining market share. From the article: "Analysts say it's difficult to measure the extent to which open-source Java application servers, such as Tomcat and JBoss, have eaten into the revenue of commercial providers of Java application servers. But the growing popularity of the open-source application servers is undeniable." The article also points out that the emergence of J2EE as a standard led to a commoditization of Java-based application servers, giving the low-cost OSS alternatives an advantage."
huh? woowoowoo! ?
Where is everyone?
Java application servers were eventually going to be commoditized. It's just unfortunate J2EE had to be the form of it's incarnation. Like XML, J2EE is a committee-led disaster. Too many cooks have made it into an unpalatable grey soup that includes too much and accomplishes little.
Flame on. I spent over a decade in the client/server, app/server, web-service/server business. I've seen a lot of crap (can you say DCE) and J2EE is right up there.
just doesn't do the job right, at least it doesn't work well with database sessions. More than once it locks up database session when the corresponding http session ended prematurely. Sometime it returns errorous status when the database session closes its connection, the http session just died, while it should not. Well enough rant. :(
> fp!
Hooray for you!
We need a couple (or 3) new moderations:
+1 fp!
-1 fp!
-1 not fp!
That would in addition to the
+1 correct
+1 right
-1 wrong
-1 stupid
that others have mentioned.
How are they stored, anyway? in an enum? or some sort of array? I suppose they only store the most recent moderation done to a comment, as an enum, and then the score as a byte or something. How hard would it actually be to add a moderation option?
meta.slashdot.org, anyone? Or is there such a place, already?
nt
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> Java servers feel the open-source heat
.Net or Windows, so Java servers are not being threatened because Tomcat/JBoss alike are getting huge popularity.
I don't get this. Why are commercial software vendors being threatened? MS doesn't care because they don't care about Java. IBM? Maybe, maybe not. WebSphere is really about the whole package not each component. Tomcat is a component. JBoss is a component, so probably IBM doesn't care, either. Sun? They are thrilled to hear news like this. I don't know if Tomcat/JBoss would lead to Sun sales increase, but as far as Sun is concerned, this is exactly what Sun wants to happen. Tomcat/JBoss, Java is getting as widely adapted as ever and... eventually, they'll go to Sun, the creator and the master of Java, right? They may not be selling iPlanet, but they don't care.
Strategy behind Java is very different from that of
Comparing the market for OS Java application servers to the rise on Linux - that has got to be a positive thing for Java in general. Right?
The J2EE market has until recently been a bit like the Unix market 20-30 years ago. Relatively portable and aimed at businesses.. with big money to be made.....and then there was Jboss
There are a few more open-source J2EE app servers than just Jboss and Tomcat - and its good that these are targeting different markets (just like the various Linux Distributions target different types of user/server markets )
Yeah! Companies are really starting to understand the value of open-source (free speech) software. This GetThere guy is really saying you can take you proprietary code and shove it where the SUNW don't shine.
Will the companies that sell J2EE app servers today be in some sort of trouble if J2EE becomes a commodity? No, they're not in trouble at all because they make money from their unique products and services around J2EE. Oracle make money from their databases, for IBM and Sun its hardware + services. Macromedia sell J2EE as a backend to a Flash/swt gui builder kit(yuck! but hey different strokes to move the world i guess) . BEA well... er.. yeah they are in a world of shit probably! (but BEA can adapt and focus on their performance centric niche market).
J2EE was always intended to be a commodity thats why the big guns adopted it because they understood the importance of customer demand for inter-operation and portability. The fact that there are various OS implementations simply proves commodity status has been achieved. I reckon Jboss & tomcat will do for Java adoption in business what Linux did for the Unix market. The big vendors will adapt, costs will fall, and one-hell-of-a-lot more people will finally know what 'Container Managed Persistence' is.
'Be the change you want to see in the world' - Al Gore
He was still a retard.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
And the alternative? That these providers would have eaten into the pockets of all the companies that chose free open source solutions? Anybody remember how freakishly expensive first application servers were?
I don't think they get the point. Software is not there to make software companies rich. It's there to make all the other companies productive and rich.
"If anything can go wrong, it will." - Murphy