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Giant Synchrotron to be Constructed in UK

Posted by michael on from the time-to-make-the-doughnut dept.

juntunen writes "According to the BBC, construction will start this week on Diamond: a £500 million synchrotron in Oxfordshire at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory. These facilities are crucial to a deep understanding of structure in matter. With all the new emphasis on biotechnology, demand will certainly be high. Diamond has its own homepage, and the Accelerator Physics Group has publicly available tech notes."

20 comments

  1. Good by K3lvin · · Score: 1

    Europe should invest more to biotech, the US is too far ahead.

  2. and by barakn · · Score: 1

    it will be good for materials research in general. The building looks more like a stadium than an accelerator.

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  3. oh that's great... by C21 · · Score: 1

    I just wish we had gotten that huge particle accelerator and congress hadn't overturned it, oh for the chance to produce new and undiscovered particles...

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    1. Re:oh that's great... by jma34 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm pretty sure that this accelerator is used more as a light source and not for finding particles. I just looked briefly at the documents but they all seemed to be dealing with the light beam rather than the actual particle beam. I don't think that there are going to be any great particle discoveries from this accelerator, but there will certainly be some very, verry cool pictures take. I was working at the Cornell Synchrotron and they had some awesome pics of the cold virus that they had taken using the x-rays of their beam.

    2. Re:oh that's great... by Dastardly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just wish we had gotten that huge particle accelerator and congress hadn't overturned it, oh for the chance to produce new and undiscovered particles...

      The SSC is crap. The (Large Hadron Collider) LHC being built at CERN reaches higher energies at a fraction of the cost of the SSC. I think RHIC at Brookhaven gets pretty close to SSC energies. Although, applying the technology being used for LHC to a tunnel the size of the one SSC was supposed to use would reach even higher energies.

      That suggests an idea. Maybe the tunnel and detector caverns should be approved and built first, then decide what to put in them later.

      Dastardly

    3. Re:oh that's great... by atomicdragon · · Score: 1

      The LHC reaches a peak energy of 14 TeV while I believe the SSC would have reached 20 TeV. Part of what made the LHC better was that it was built in existing tunnels at CERN, which saved a lot of money.

      They are already looking into the creation of a Very Large Hadron Collider with possible energies as high as 100 TeV.

  4. Couple of questions... by SolemnDragon · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. the lifespan of the facility is expected to be "about twenty years." I'm curious as to whether this is expected to be a result of technological obsolescence, or the depreciation factors which affect a unique type of facility such as this?

    2. The French promised to help fund it. And then pulled out of it. When? This article is lacking in a little depth and background, here... does anyone know more about this?

    3. 'understanding the proteins of genes' (paraphrase)??? let me get this straight... you're going to batter a gene with electrons, and see if the X-Men really were just a comic book concept? Or are we going to try to understand basic matter, which should take, oh, say, 19 years 364 days and twelve hours, and then *hurrah* just before the building collapses, we suddenly understand the complete human genome!!! Too bad our proof is buried under the rubble... This article ties together every modern theme, in a facility shaped remarkably like a hubcab...

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    1. Re:Couple of questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      One thing that synchrotrons are great at is producing high power x-rays, which have applications in both material science and high power microscopy. This x-ray production is actually almost a byproduct of the main application, which is usally smashing beams of subatomic particles together to better understand what they're made of.

    2. Re:Couple of questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The French promised to help fund it. And then pulled out of it.

      I think it's quite obvious what happened. They saw how big it was and surrendered.

    3. Re:Couple of questions... by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 4, Informative

      To answer the third question first: organism have a truly massive number of proteins encoded in their genome, (almost) all of which have a specific and well-defined 3-dimensional structure. Currently the structures for several thousand proteins have been determined, and the structures are deposited at the Protein Data Bank (PDB). Most of these are solved using xray crystallography, which is part of what I'm studying. We've learned that if you are carefull, you can coax purified protein to crystallize rather than just fall out of solution in an uniteresting and useless glop. Hampton Research is one company specializing in supplies relating to the crystallization of proteins, and has some pictures of protein crystals on their site. It had been known for a long time that if you put a nice ordered object (like a crystal) into an xray beam, you would get a diffraction pattern from it. The diffraction pattern can tell you some information about the internal makeup of the crystal, such as how big the repeating unit of the crystal is (crystals are made up of a large number of small units that are stacked next to each other in a lattice). Eventually it was found that you could rotate the crystal in the beam and collect many diffraction patterns from different angles and with a large amount of effort calculate the structure of the molecules in the crystal. In the bad old days in the 60's this meant that you hired a couple of math majors to be human calculators and after five years you would have your protein structure. With computers you can go from data collection to solved structure in only a few months.

      I don't quite get the "20 years" thing either. The Advanced Light Source (ALS) at Berkeley was built in 1942, or at least the original building was. It has naturally gone through a number of upgrades, the last being a totally new synchrotron built in 1987-93?. I don't know about wear and tear on the facility but we've found that as far as macromolecular crystallography (usually meaning proteins) goes, xray intensity is no longer an issue. A complete data set collected at the Advanced Photon Source at Argonne Nat'l Labs took me less than an hour. That's just 1 second exposures to xrays as opposed to up to an hour or more on our lab's xray source. The big change occuring at synchrotrons for macromolecular crystallography is automation--it takes more time for a newbie to get trained and get set up for their first collection than to actually collect their data, but robotics for this kind of thing are relatively new--also data processing and structure determination is still very time consuming. Structural genomics (basically have structures of all the proteins in an organism determined) is also taking off and automation is a Very Big Thing for them as they screen 100,000's of protein crystals--Syrrx is probably the most advanced at this so far. Of course the problem with structural genomics is that you generate 100's of structures that lay around uniterpreted--a process that still requires a human touch. Anyway, hope that's some help.

  5. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Diamond synchotron? Sounds like a fancy monitor to me.

  6. Synchotron shminkotron by EatHam · · Score: 1

    Who comes up with the names for these things? Homer Simpson?

  7. Controversial Siting by seanellis · · Score: 3, Informative
    The new facility, Diamond, will be housed at Rutherford Appleton Laboratories near Oxford. There was a concerted effort to get the project sited at the existing synchrotron facility at Daresbury.

    The reasons for siting at Daresbury seemed to be well thought out and sensible - see the campaign website for more information.

    The government has decided to site it in the expensive South of England, putting the existing synchroton research team at Daresbury in jeopardy and virtually guaranteeing a dispersal of talent.

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    1. Re:Controversial Siting by The+Iconoclast · · Score: 1
      Not that I am a Brit; in fact, I am a damn Yankee, but I was just at RAL working on an unrelated project and I saw ISIS, which is a syncrotron-based neutron & muon source.

      It's not as big as Diamond, but it's not like they are building the Diamond accelerator out of the blue out in the middle of nowhere with no support infrastructure in place. They are building it after some consideration of the infrastructure already at RAL, which just so HAPPENS to be out in the middle of nowhere. ;-)

      Wonderful country however, I need to go back for more beer. ;-)

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    2. Re:Controversial Siting by kgp · · Score: 5, Informative

      Daresbury in addition to being the birthplace of Lewis Carrol (Charles Luttwidge Dodgson -- there's a neat stained glass window in the church where his father was vicar) was also the site of the first dedicated storage ring for generating synchrotron radiation (i.e. polarized light from IR to hard X-ray).

      Originally the site was created to extend particle physics in the North of England (to include a collaboration of the "northern universities": Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Hull. A particle physics 5GeV electron synchrotron called NINA was built there in the early to mid 1970s and did some useful work.

      It also attracted a new group of condensed matter physicists (surface scientists too) who used the synchrotron radiation emitted to do spectroscopy and diffraction of various sorts (photelectron spectrosocopy in the extreme UV and soft X-ray where the SR sources are particularly bright compared to other sources). They set up the SRF to try out these ideas.

      The NSF (Nuclear Structure Facility -- for doing energetic heavy ion collisions -- nothing to do with nuclear weapons!) was built there in the late 1970s. That's the tower you can see in the site pictures. Unfortunatly SERC killed nuclear structure work in the UK in 1990. They pulled funding for the NSF and told people to look for beamtime at other sites outside the country. In fact the Recoil Seperator ended up at Oak Ridge, TN (so they didn't keep that expertise in the country).

      http://www.srs.ac.uk/srs/

      NINA was decomissioned in the late 1970s and it was decided to build the Synchrotron Radition Source (SRS) using part of the old NINA site (and the NINA linac, I think) to provide a dedicated SR source in the UK for chemists, biologists, martials scientists and physicists.

      All though this time a theory group was based there and a large regional computing facility (that used to have a Cray 1 in the good old days from 1979 to 1983) that was a major node on JANET (the academic network in the UK).

      The SRS was comissioned in 1982. This is where the 20 years mentioned in the article comes in -- opened in 1982 and closed in 2003(ish). I not sure if they'll keep the SRS open although the parameters for the SRS and DIAMOND are rather different. DIAMOND is good for high brightness X-ray studies but not so good for soft X-ray or XUV uses.

      I worked there as a (suface science) grad student (from Liverpool University) and got my PhD working on the TGM and GIM and SEXAFS stations on beamline 6 and later did some work on Beanline 1 when I worked at the Surface Science Center at Liverpool University.

      The site had a lot of experitise for machine physics (the epople who understand how to keep the electrons going around the ring), beamline and monochromator design. I suspect some of these will move down south and another nothern resource will be lost.

      I'm sure the RAL people are happy (the decision as made almost 2 years ago) but they don't have a site who boundary is formed by the Bridgewater Canal. Perhaps it's heading the same way as that old tech.

      Kevin Purcell
      Beamline 6 (and 1)
      University of Liverpool.

  8. SSC by QEDog · · Score: 3, Informative
    The huge accelerator was called Superconducting Super Collider. Its purpose was different. It would reach higher energies.

    This new acceleratos will only reach about 3.5GeV. Much less than FermiLab's TeV accelerator, so its mail goal is not to discover new sub-atomic particles (as those energies have been studied before) but to have biological applications.

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  9. Giant Sync-o-tron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that what the guy from Trigger Happy TV uses to sync his giant mobile phone to his Mac?

  10. Rutherford Appleton location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know why they are planning to re-locate there. I know it's a nuclear lab (about 2-3 miles from where I used to live), but that part of oxfordshire is in the green-belt & a synchrotron is quite big.

    Maybe they should keep it up north. At the planned location there's a good vantage point outside the planned labs that terrorists could take advantage of - you can see the whole lab layout easily!

  11. Synchrotron is for high power X-Ray research by Confessed+Geek · · Score: 1

    A Synchrotron is a High Energy Photon Source of - wait for it - Synchrotron Radiation or as you or I would call it Really High Power X-rays. Like an earlier comment pointed out, its not for smashing atoms to see what falls out.

    Synchrotron radiation is used for things like molecular crystalography (used for drug research amoung other things) http://imca.aps.anl.gov, Biology research (examining how a flys wings work for instance http://www.anl.gov/OPA/frontiers2002/c1facil.html)
    or medical research like very early detection of Breast Cancer http://www.anl.gov/OPA/news99/news990304.htm

    For more information you would need to talk to someone who actually works in the field. I just fix their computers ;)

    All those URLs are for the Advanced Photon Source at Argonne National Lab. The APS is one of the brightest Synrotron Radiation sources in the US. I work with some of those folks so I thought I would give them their props.

  12. URL correction by Confessed+Geek · · Score: 1

    Whoops!! That should have been:
    http://www.imca.aps.anl.gov/