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Killer Virus 'From Paramyxoviridae Family'

texchanchan writes "Yahoo story about the microbe that's been killing world travelers being isolated and identified as a 'paramyxoviridae' virus (not a bacterium. Simple page on the difference.) Here are pictures of similar viruses (Rinderpest, ugh! sounds as bad as anthrax) from the Big Picture Book of Viruses."

45 comments

  1. Cure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I wonder how soon doctors will be able to release a service pack for this virus?

    1. Re:Cure? by dotgain · · Score: 1
      Cue the
      apt-get antidote

      trolls...
    2. Re:Cure? by Simon+Field · · Score: 4, Informative


      It is related to Canine Distemper Virus, and the Newcastle Virus famous for infecting chickens.

      The "service pack" for Newcastle is usually total destruction of all the birds in the area near the infection. Probably because vaccinations cost more than chickens do.

      It would be interesting to see if innoculating people with one of these (or Parainfluenza Virus) would act as a vaccine, like using cowpox virus to prevent smallpox.

      The Phocine Distemper virus that is killing seals is also related. Does Canine Distemper vaccine work to protect seals from Phocine?

    3. Re:Cure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The "service pack" for Newcastle is usually total destruction of all the birds in the area near the infection.

      I'm glad I don't live in Hong Kong.

  2. Hmm... by smoondog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, I think that, assuming most of the reports are true, the world may be able to breathe a collective (but cautious) sigh of relief. (knock on wood) It isn't influenza. This is good. It doesn't spread through the air/casual contact. This, too, is good. I know for a fact (through collaborators) that the CDC is really, really focused on this right now. Finally, WHO is suggesting that this won't be a global pandemic. This is very good. It also seems that, according to the news, a few people are recovering. I'm really, really impressed at how focused the international health community can be, even when separated by political boundaries and vast geographical boundaries. Lets hope they keep up the pressure to keep this contained.

    Could you imagine an influenza strain that spreads through the air and causes chronic lung damage (and lots of deaths)? That would be devastating.

    Anyway, here is the ultimate of Karma whoring: The Google News link for the story

    -Sean

    1. Re:Hmm... by Colonel+Blimp · · Score: 0

      Amen to that, I have tickets to Asia for next month (Thailand, via a long layover in Taipei), and I'd hate to be bringing back any unwanted souveniers!

    2. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Judging by the note I got from the CDC when I disembarked my Narita to Chicago flight I would have to agree with the CDC's interest in keeping the public (and doctors) informed ;)

    3. Re:Hmm... by arvindn · · Score: 2, Funny
      the world may be able to breathe a collective (but cautious) sigh of relief ... It doesn't spread through the air

      You mean, since it doesn't spread through the air its OK to breathe now? ;)

    4. Re:Hmm... by istartedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Could you imagine an influenza strain that spreads through the air and causes chronic lung damage (and lots of deaths)? That would be devastating.

      That doesn't scare me as much as the possibility of an airborne virus with long latency and high mortality. Imagine what it would be like if AIDS were airborne. Bugs like Ebola aren't actually that frightening on a global scale because as soon a a handful of people get it they immediately quarantine everybody who has contact. Ebola seldom spreads beyond the African villages where it breeds simply because it's so virulent. No, the really devestating viruses are the ones that bide their time.

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    5. Re:Hmm... by Colonel+Blimp · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm guessing you don't have a passport, and your biggest international experience was visiting Epcot when you were 12. I don't appreciate that ethnic slur.

    6. Re:Hmm... by constantnormal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Could you imagine an influenza strain that spreads through the air and causes chronic lung damage (and lots of deaths)?

      We don't have to imagine it -- it's already happened. Check out the Influenza Pandemic of 1918.

      One quote from the link:
      "The effect of the influenza epidemic was so severe that the average life span in the US was depressed by 10 years."

    7. Re:Hmm... by WatertonMan · · Score: 2

      Given the relatively low number of cases in a congested city like Hong Kong, the initial reports of how easy it could spread seemed questionable. I mean if it spreads as easy as the flu, has been around for a couple of weeks, but there are only a hundred or so cases. Well, it doesn't quite sound like a pandemnic. More like the media was oversensationalizing things again.

    8. Re:Hmm... by knowledgepeacewi · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>I'm really, really impressed at how focused the international health community can be, even when separated by political boundaries and vast geographical boundaries. Lets hope they keep up the pressure to keep this contained.
      You know, I'm really really unimpressed seeing that no one cared for months until a few americans started getting sick.
      Try not to decieve yourself. The international health community still only gives a **** if it affects the people giving them the most money.

    9. Re:Hmm... by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "You know, I'm really really unimpressed seeing that no one cared for months until a few americans started getting sick."

      Well, don't mistake media interest for total interest, otherwise you won't get your virus warnings until close to the trigger date, and you'll believe the entire output of CNN.

      "The international health community still only gives a **** if it affects the people giving them the most money."

      Which explains the massive effort into killing smallpox and polio back in the day when it was assumed that the military was on the same side as the people doing the curing. You seem to jumbling up the WHO with Biotech and pharmecutical companies in a delightfully blanket fashion there. Unavoidably there is going to be a higher concentration on the nations with the highest GDP, but this is along the lines of complaining that it's unfair that you get some of the best Indian food in the UK.*

      OD
      * I'm biased. Mines a Pasanda.

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    10. Re:Hmm... by EverLurking · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yup, likey another case of the Media generating mass hysteria to sell air-time. But SARS does seem a bit deadlier than your average Pneumonia upon superficial analysis.

      The total cases of SARS as reported by the World Health Organization is 219 cases with 4 deaths. Doing some rather inexact extrapolation that works out to about 1800 deaths per 100,000. Bear in mind, these numbers have very small and inexact "n" values in the denominator and probably can't be directly extrapolated to this high an incidence (per 100,000).

      Who knows how many people had milder forms of this viral infection and didn't need to seek medical attention or recovered on their own, or how many others were now calssified as having SARS. I'm afraid that's the problem with these statistics: It's hard to derive a truly accurate denominator.

      To give you some perspective, the plain old pneumonia/influenzena deaths as tallied up by the CDC worked out to about 10-12 per 100,000.

      We'll see as the number of SARS cases continue to come in what a more accurate Mortality rate works out to being. I really doubt that this condition is 180 times more deadly than your typical pneumonia. But the media is sure treating it like that in it's daily search for sensationalism.

      DaveC

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      There are no stupid questions...just stupid people.
    11. Re:Hmm... by DustMagnet · · Score: 1
      Very true. People often forget that what is so bad about HIV/AIDS, is it's slow, quiet, and lethal. Good thing is hard to spread.

      I've always been amazed at the number of viruses we catch and never even notice. Each one tinkers with your DNA. Some everyone catches. Some increase your cancer risk. Most we know nothing about.

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    12. Re:Hmm... by sjames · · Score: 1

      I really doubt that this condition is 180 times more deadly than your typical pneumonia. But the media is sure treating it like that in it's daily search for sensationalism.

      Agreed! The small value of n coupled with the novelty of the disease will tend to make the numbers look worse than they are. Given the fairly nondescript symptoms it is entirely possible that there have been tens of thousands of monor cases that were written off as the flu without even a doctor visit. Only the most severe cases are likely to come to attention at all.

      OTOH, the health officials are right to take immediate action. It is also possible that it is much worse than the flu (though probably not 180 times worse).

    13. Re:Hmm... by EverLurking · · Score: 1
      You bring up a great point, that with rare diseases/conditions, it is often impossible to know exactly how prevalant such a condition is. It becomes very difficult to tell if it is a condition that kills 1 in 100,000 or if it kills 0.0001 in 100,000 if you just have a handfull of recognized cases and no idea of what the denominator is especially if the sub-acute (ie. less serious) manifestations of this condition are so benign as to be indistinguishable from the common cold or a mild upper respiratory condition.

      If I recall correctly, another problem arises when investigating these rare disease conditions: It becomes really hard to tell if your therapies are even really working. Did the patients get better because of the anti-virals and the corticosteroid/anti-inflammatory therapies or would they have gotten better with enough time? Hard to say b/c you just don't have a large enough treatment population (what 240 odd cases worldwide) and absolutely no idea what your denominator is. Can't even prove statistical significance here...

      Ahhh...all those Epidemiology classes that I slept through are coming back to me now...zzzzzzzzzzz

      DaveC

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      There are no stupid questions...just stupid people.
  3. My manager the virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My manager is like a virus. He'll keep injecting his own code into a perfectly good working application someone else made until the thing bursts, and then he'll move on the the next application.

    1. Re:My manager the virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU'RE FIRED!!!

    2. Re:My manager the virus by pixelated77 · · Score: 1

      That's nothing, my manager will make *me* inject *his* coding ideas (code necrotic agent) into a perfectly good working application, making it slowly decay into a slushy mess or barely readable code that I have to work on everyday as a trauma patient whose vitals will never stabilize. By the time I'm completely fed up, I have to practically rewrite the damn thing, just so that he can sinisterly make me administer new doses of necrotic agent all over again.

    3. Re:My manager the virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least your damaged code doesn't produce hundreds of more managers. They we'd have an outbreak of bad management.

  4. No worries by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's only a matter of time before they develop a vaccine for it.

    1. Re:No worries by asdfx · · Score: 5, Informative

      I would have to assume you're joking. RNA virili and bacteria are far more prone to mutations in the genes. Why hasn't AIDS been cured? It's an RNA virus; it mutates too often for a standard vaccine to work. The same goes for this virus. A vaccine may be possible (at least one AIDS vaccine is in some phase of clinical trials), but it is not likely in the immediate future.

    2. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

      The world's geniuses are tired of being called "they". From now on, please refrain from saying anything similar to the following:

      -they've got a new gadget that ...
      -a matter of time before they develop a vaccine...
      -in 10 years they will make computers faster than...

      As a suggestion, the world's geniuses have suggested using the name "Sally Struthers" instead of the word "they".

      Thank you.

    3. Re:No worries by dmadole · · Score: 3, Insightful

      would have to assume you're joking. RNA virili and bacteria are far more prone to mutations in the genes. Why hasn't AIDS been cured? It's an RNA virus;

      I am certainly not an expert in this field, but I notice that according to the linked page of photos of this class of virus, that it includes both measles and mumps. The body pretty much self-vaccinates against both of these diseases, in that normally, once you contract the disease once, you have a lasting immunity.

      This seems to contradict the sweeping statement that because of the class of virus this thing is, it would mutate too often to make a "standard" vaccination work. Obviously, if it mutated so frequently, people would be succeptable to mutated strains of the diseases over and over again.

      Oh, yeah, not to mention that there are effective vaccines for both measles and mumps.

      Interestingly, though, RSV (respiratory syncytial virus), yet another illness in this same family, is not currently prevented with a vaccine, but rather with a monoclonal antibody injection, Synagis

    4. Re:No worries by umofomia · · Score: 3, Funny
      It's only a matter of time before they develop a vaccine for it.
      And reverse engineer its code? That would be a violation of the DMCA. :)
    5. Re:No worries by SiMac · · Score: 1

      SiMac proposes that we eliminate all pronouns. That way, the citizens of the world will not have to worry about mistakes like these. SiMac certainly wouldn't make a mistake like this. Would Anonymous Coward?

    6. Re:No worries by pyrrho · · Score: 1

      if somone patented it's process of infection... it would!

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      -pyrrho

    7. Re:No worries by insanecarbonbasedlif · · Score: 1

      So this would properly read:

      -Sally Struthers've got a new gadget that ...
      -a matter of time before Sally Struthers develop a vaccine...
      -in 10 years Sally Struthers will make computers faster than...

      Hmm... I'm pretty sure that some of that is improper grammar...

      --
      Just because I doubt myself does not mean I find your position compelling.
  5. Thank Deus! by arvindn · · Score: 3, Funny
    being isolated and identified as a paramyxoviridae virus

    What a relief! You won't believe how much sleep I've been losing thinking it could be a pseudopicornaviridae!

  6. When I have children... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...they will enjoy the Big Book of Viruses. Every night!

  7. Is it possible to vaccinate for this? by windows · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's my understanding that this same family of viruses is responsible for measles and mumps in humans and distemper in dogs. For a little information about this virus, check here. All of those have vaccines for them. So would it be possible to prepare a vaccine for this virus, too?

    1. Re:Is it possible to vaccinate for this? by cperciva · · Score: 1

      All of those have vaccines for them. So would it be possible to prepare a vaccine for this virus, too?

      Probably... if you're willing to wait 3 or 4 months. Even without the usual extensive testing, producing vaccines against new viruses is very time consuming.

  8. not really surprising by g4dget · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is not particularly surprising: viruses in that family cause a lot of "common colds" and other URIs (among them, parainfluenza is in that family). See here and here.

  9. SuperVirus!!! by DrLudicrous · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Man, can anyone say superbug from The Stand?

    Whatever you do, stay away from guys with the initials RF.

    1. Re:SuperVirus!!! by DrLudicrous · · Score: 1

      It seems that ./ readers do not also read Stephen King novels... but thanks for the mod!!! ;-)

  10. Some more info on paramyxoviruses by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Informative

    This family of viruses (paramyxoviruses) are very closely related to influenza viruses- in fact, influenzas belong to the family orthomyxoviridae. Myxo, by the way, comes from the Greek for "mucus"- appropriate given their tendency to cause respiratory tract infections.

    Both families are single-stranded "antisense" RNA viruses- the RNA strand is complementary to a coding, or "sense" strand of mRNA that it acts as a template for. It should be noted that while these are RNA viruses, they are not retroviruses, as some other posters have suggested- no reverse transcriptase, no DNA stage- instead of hijacking the cell's transcription machinery like HIV, myxoviruses are slightly more considerate guests- they come packing their own RNA polymerase proteins. The RNA polymerase makes a gigantic number of of sense mRNA from the antisense strand. Once these get made, the virus stops being a considerate guest in the cell- the mRNAs head over to the ribosomes in the cell and get translated into proteins just as if the cell's genome had produced them. These are of course viral proteins however- new capsids (protein envelopes), new polymerases, new glycoproteins. This is the part where it really starts to suck for the cell- the original viral antisense mRNA gets replicated many times, and then gets packed into the newly made viral particles. The viruses then lyse (kill) their host cell and then spread out an move on to a new cell. This takes about 20-30 minutes from fusion with the cell to lysis usually.

    Both ortho- and para- myxovirus families respond to a characteristic test called hemagglutination, which is pretty much what it sounds like- a glycoprotein on the surface of the virus causes red blood cells to clump together. The major difference between the orthomyxoviridae and paramyxoviridae families is simply a matter of genome arrangement- ortho viruses like the influenzas have their genomes cut into several different smaller segments inside the virus, while the para viruses like measles, rinderpest, and our mystery illness have a single segment.

    It should be stressed that genome comparisons are of limited help at the level of families- all the single-stranded antisense RNA viruses have pretty much the same structure, but they code for quite different glycoproteins (these are sugar-protein hybrid molecules on the surface of the virus). Glycoproteins are both the source of host recognition- they bind to specific receptors on a cell (these receptors are often, but not always, unique to the cells of a species)- and the agent that kills the cell. In the paramyxoviruses, remarkably these two functions (fusion and lysis) are carried out by two linked subunits on the same glycoprotein.

    The variety of glycoproteins these RNA viruses have produced have made them incredibly diverse- they infect plants, animals, humans, they cause all manner of symptoms. The paramyxoviruses, for example, have members which result in mumps and measles, and then others that cause pneumonia. A closely related family (also ss antisense RNA) are the rhabdoviruses, some of which infect plants, and one of which causes rabies. Another antisense ssRNA family are the filoviruses, which tend to have rather toxic glycoproteins- members include Marburg and Ebola.

    While it is a relief that the virus causing this deadly outbreak of pneumonia has been isolated, and catalogued in relation to other viruses, it should be noted that finding this relation may be of little use, given the nearly infinite variety displayed by even its closest relatives.

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    "FDA staff reviewers expressed concern about the number of patients who were left out of the study because they died."
  11. That pesky Paramyxoviridae family by IainHere · · Score: 3, Funny

    Killer Virus 'From Paramyxoviridae Family'

    I always said that family caused nothin' but trouble.

  12. Can you eat the birds? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "service pack" for Newcastle is usually total destruction of all the birds in the area near the infection. Probably because vaccinations cost more than chickens do.

    No seriously, is the virus dangerous if the birds are cooked or do they need to be incinerated?

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  13. New news by gene_tailor · · Score: 3, Informative

    The media is now reporting that most of the cases from Hong Kong all seem to have been exposed at a particular hotel floor... Here's a link to the story.

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    1. Re:New news by gene_tailor · · Score: 1

      Further backtracking traces "more than 90 percent of Hong Kong's infections to a single visitor from neighboring Guangdong Province" [in China], see article at Int'l Herald Tribune . The article notes that details on what's happening in China (total # of cases etc) are not readily available and it will be hard to learn more about the history of the outbreak's development without such information.

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  14. (oops, first attempt to respond didn't take...) by EverLurking · · Score: 1
    You bring up a great point, that with rare diseases/conditions, it is often impossible to know exactly how prevalant such a condition is. It becomes very difficult to tell if it is a condition that kills 1 in 100,000 or if it kills 0.0001 in 100,000 if you just have a handfull of recognized cases and no idea of what the denominator is especially if the sub-acute (ie. less serious) manifestations of this condition are so benign as to be indistinguishable from the common cold or a mild upper respiratory condition.

    If I recall correctly, another problem arises when investigating these rare disease conditions: It becomes really hard to tell if your therapies are even really working. Did the patients get better because of the anti-virals and the corticosteroid/anti-inflammatory therapies or would they have gotten better with enough time? Hard to say b/c you just don't have a large enough treatment population (what 240 odd cases worldwide) and absolutely no idea what your denominator is. Can't even prove statistical significance here...

    Ahhh...all those Epidemiology classes that I slept through are coming back to me now...zzzzzzzzzzz

    DaveC

    --
    There are no stupid questions...just stupid people.