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Danger Makes Free Sidekick SDK Available

DivideByZero writes "Turns out that Danger, Inc. has finally gotten around to making the SDK (Sign up here) available for the Hiptop (Released in the US as the T-Mobile Sidekick) - free of charge . The Hiptop/Sidekick has been mentioned previously on Slashdot.)"

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  1. How much for hardware and service ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    how mcuh does one of these cost ? And what is the monthly fee that I pressume it needs to connect ?

    t-mobile.com and danger.com didn't seem to have this info. t-mobile.com made me select a state and city, but had no options for city, and then gave me the error that I needed to specify a city . . . someone needs to be fired.

    1. Re:How much for hardware and service ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Uh, you need to select a state AND a city. Works fine for me.

      Anyways, list price is $249. T-mobile has a $50 rebate on their site, bringing it down to $199. Like most cell phones, you can get it a lot cheaper if you shop around and/or are willing to sign up for a 12+ month contract; I've seen it anywhere from $250 down to $75, minus monthly fees.

      T-mobile says they're out of stock and won't let me see what plans are available for the Sidekick, but after a quick search the cheapest plan seems to be $39/month for ~1000 voice minutes and unlimited data for 1 year. Not sure about how much data you'll get after that 1 year is up though.

    2. Re:How much for hardware and service ? by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Wow, almost enough for me to want that over my land line. When you get unlimited data, at what speed can one expect for thoroughput?

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    3. Re:How much for hardware and service ? by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      It's GPRS, so about 60-144kbps is normal.

    4. Re:How much for hardware and service ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember that you can't use it as a modem, so unless you want to do all your web browsing through a little 2" greyscale screen, keep your landline. :)

  2. What is it with companies and SDKs? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why can't they see fit to distribute the SDK free of charge without any strings attached? Why must they either charge you an arm and a leg for the kit or make you sign up to some sort of "approved" list of developers?

    If there's anything of Microsoft's that ought to be emulated, it's their SDK distribution policy.

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    1. Re:What is it with companies and SDKs? by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Informative

      **If there's anything of Microsoft's that ought to be emulated, it's their SDK distribution policy.**

      not really, tried to get xbox sdk? or ms visual studio for free? the sdk's they got are add-ons to their existing products.

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    2. Re:What is it with companies and SDKs? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, their development products are expensive, but the SDK itself is free and can be compiled against using any compiler from VC to Borland to gcc.

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    3. Re:What is it with companies and SDKs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The embedded tools version of Microsoft Visual Studio is included free with the eMbedded Visual Tools 3.0 sdk, available from here.

      Download MVT 3.0, the PPC 2002 SDK or Smartphone SDK and you have everything for embedded mobile development. Assuming you have a Windows PC on which to install it.

      However, I agree it sucks for them to not have a free compiler available for their OS, but I suppose that reflects the focus of their company. Which explains the presense of GCC on Win32 I suppose.

      Talking of which, there are a few free compilers for Win32. LCC-Win32, MinGW and DJGPP (for DOS, based on GPP) are particular notables. I think Cygwin includes a port also, amongst the unix toolset.

      The Xbox SDK is a subset of the Win32 SDK. Nintendo doesn't publish SDKs for it's gamecube, Sony doesn't publish (full) SDKs for the Playstation (I know the Linux kit contains a few of the docs though). So why should MS publish the Xbox SDK?

      (I also believe MS shouldn't stop people from trying to mess with their Xbox, but that's another issue).

    4. Re:What is it with companies and SDKs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The (free) Windows SDK does come with a compiler.

      Long standing principle of Microsoft is that developing for Windows doesn't cost a dime, except for OS licence.

  3. WIFI + JEBUS = FRENCH ARMY KNIFE by mighty+jebus · · Score: -1


    intel is even this very minute embedding me into the Trollorama 4000 XP chip.

    ph33r.

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  4. What is SideKick dev like? by RevAaron · · Score: 1

    Anyone had a look at this? What is development for the SideKick like? What kind of model/style? What language? Presumable C or C++.

    (I'm a big platform/PDA nerd, yes)

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    1. Re:What is SideKick dev like? by Wonko42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've been playing around with it. The SDK is really nice, and includes a simulator (since there currently isn't any way to actually transfer applications to the Sidekick). Everything is Java-based (J2ME), which makes things really simple. Several very nice example applications are included in the SDK, along with a very nicely-done VT100 SSH terminal application.

    2. Re:What is SideKick dev like? by aminorex · · Score: 0

      So, you've got it. What filenames should I be searching on WinMX and Kazaa?

      I admit that I'm almost pissed off enough to
      give up on developing for this device, but
      not quite.

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    3. Re:What is SideKick dev like? by Wonko42 · · Score: 1

      Why not just register? It's free. Make up a fake email address if you're paranoid.

    4. Re:What is SideKick dev like? by aminorex · · Score: 2

      It does you no good. You can't get it unless you
      supply a tmail address (i.e. sign a contract with
      t-mobile).

      These games do no one any good, and just piss off
      the application developers. Why do they pull this
      crap?

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    5. Re:What is SideKick dev like? by Trinn · · Score: 1

      If the sidekick has a web-browser, why can't you r un a mini-server & serve up the JAD/JAR combo to it? Just make sure the filetypes are right.

    6. Re:What is SideKick dev like? by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Presumably.... but J2ME is taking the big wireless markets by storm. I believe even Motorola is looking at J2ME in there new devices.

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    7. Re:What is SideKick dev like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A tmail address is not needed for SDK access.

      Brian

  5. For everyone griping... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The SDK is quite Nice... uses J2SE and comes with a good bit of example code that is licensed BSD Style...

    Its good stuff!

  6. Malicious Hacker by themo0c0w · · Score: 5, Funny

    I love the the classifications of developer they offer:

    * Hobbyist
    * Open Source
    * Professional
    * Corporate
    * Malicious Hacker

    Gee, I wonder if the last one flags me as a terrorist... *grin*

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  7. EEtimes teardown of hiptop by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Informative

    EETimes has a teardown of the hiptop... Engineers will get a chuckle out of finding the part that won't die!! There's also a block diagram.

    (hint: it's a national part on the same side as the processor)

  8. wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Intelligence officials had long been frustrated in their attempts to track Saddam Hussein's erratic movements. Then, on Wednesday, according to senior U.S. government officials, Iraqi informants produced a lead.

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    The Iraqi leader, and possibly his two sons, were said to be in a private house built over an underground bunker in southern Baghdad.

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    What happened next, one senior administration official said Thursday, ''has created one of the great mysteries of the first day of the war -- did we hit anyone and if so, who did we get?''

    .

    On Thursday night, officials were still holding out hope that one of the American 2,000 pound bombs and nearly 40 Tomahawk cruise missiles, each carrying 1,000 pounds of explosives, may have struck Saddam or one of his sons, Qusay and Uday.

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    ''It may take days,'' the official said, ''to sift through it all.''

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    The mystery deepened as intelligence agencies monitoring Iraqi communications detected a significant drop in intercepted conversations among the top leaders of the country. Some officials speculated that Iraq's leadership had gone underground, others believed that, as one official put it, ''their phones melted.''

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    Either way, it was a surprise start to the war. It began close to 3 p.m. on Wednesday, when George Tenet, the director of Central Intelligence, got the tip that Saddam and his top leadership might be in the fortified bunker in Baghdad.

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    Tenet raced to the Pentagon to discuss the information with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, then spoke to General Richard Myers, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff.

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    ''There was no question about the legality of the target, but there was some discussion about how solid the information was and who might actually be there and when,'' said a senior official. ''The conclusion was that even though we didn't know for sure, it was an important target in any case.''

    .

    General Tommy Franks, the commander of allied forces in Iraq, had already begun planning a strike with Tomahawk cruise missiles against the bunker, the official said, and ordered the F-117A fighter jets aloft in preparation to strike -- even before Bush signed the attack order.

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    Franks, who was at his forward command post near Doha, Qatar, had the same intelligence information from CIA. officers in the field that Tenet was giving Rumsfeld, the official said.

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    Around 3:30 p.m., Tenet and Rumsfeld carried the information to a meeting with Bush and his top national security officials in the Oval Office. For three hours, the group discussed the source of the information, how likely it was to be true, and the risks of the operation. They spoke to Franks and came to the decision, the official said, that Tomahawk cruise missiles alone would not destroy a bunker that intelligence showed was buried under layers of dirt and concrete.

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    Assembled for the discussion about the attack was Bush's war council: were Vice President Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, national security adviser Condoleeza Rice, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card Jr., and General Richard Myers of the air force, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. The group concluded that it was imperative to send the F-117s, which can carry ''bunker buster'' bombs, a much heavier payload than a cruise missile.

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    According to senior government officials, Bush listened impassively as his top aides debated what might be done, weighing, as minutes ticked by whether to stick with the meticulously scheduled opening of the war with the extraordinary possibility that the United States could land a potentially lethal blow against the Iraqi regime.

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    ''This was the end of the 48-hour period for Saddam to get out of Iraq,'' said one official. ''So to have at that very moment when you're considering starting a conflict, to have a fairly good idea of knowing where senior most leaders are, is a pr

  9. IRAQ is dieing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    CNN confirms it: Iraq is dieing.

    Let's ignore the rhetoric and look at the facts. bleh bleh bleh, kreskin, Iraqi Leader Saddam Hussein, bleh bleh bleh

    Fact: Iraq is dead

  10. Pig in a poke by metamatic · · Score: 1

    That was what killed it for me. The Sidekick is tied to a single provider, they won't tell me how much it's going to cost per month, and they still expect me to pay $200 for the unit as well? I don't think so...

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  11. Meanwhile, in Baghdad: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
    *Ring* *Ring*

    Saddam: Hello?

    George W Bush: Can you hear me now?