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NetBSD Packages Collection Up To 3525 Packages

Dan writes "NetBSD's Alistair Crooks says that by his calculations, at the end of February 2003, there were 3525 packages in the NetBSD Packages Collection, up from 3461 the previous month, a rise of 64. The Package of the Month award goes to pkgdepgraph (yet again), nominated by Andrew Brown (yet again)."

21 comments

  1. Umm so? by jkc120 · · Score: 1

    floyd@deblin:~$ apt-cache dumpavail | grep 'Package:' | wc
    12312 24628 262265

    Debian unstable has over 12000 available.

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    "I drank what?" -Socrates
    1. Re:Umm so? by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      Yeah but NetBSD is dying. And it STILL has 3525 packages! (joking)

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      Why not fork?
    2. Re:Umm so? by SpiritC · · Score: 1

      Fetched 44.5kB in 3s (11.5kB/s)
      Reading Package Lists... Done
      Building Dependency Tree... Done
      Merging Available information
      Replacing available packages info, using /var/cache/apt/available.
      Information about 13182 package(s) was updated.

      dammit! i WIN!!!
      maybe experimental is the cause

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      Smile... tomorrow will be worse.
    3. Re:Umm so? by rtaylor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Last time I looked, Debian packages were by far a vast number of duplicates.

      For example, PHP was compiled in several different versions in several different methods (with XML, without XML, with ..., etc.).

      FreeBSD has a php package for CGI based PHP4, Mod based PHP4, and Mod based PHP3. But all of the compile options (components of PHP itself) are flags to be set during compile time and are one package.

      Anyway, by bundling this way, a single BSD package may be equivelent to 15 or 20 Debian packages.

      So, take the NetBSD repository and double it.

      OpenBSD is even wonkier. They'll have a single port that supports several versions of a piece of software (a -devel line and -stable line) as well as all of the compile time options. So it may have 40 or more different ways of being compiled.

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      Rod Taylor
    4. Re:Umm so? by Arandir · · Score: 1

      Considering that Debian has the highest package-to-application ratio of any system I know, let me respond by saying "so what?"

      Where NetBSD has the "fubar" package, Debian as "fubar", "fubar-docs", "fubar-devel", "fubar-optional" and "fubar-gtk".

      True, Debian has more applications in its package collection than NetBSD does, but don't even begin to claim that the raw number of packages in Debian means anything relevant to the world outside of Debian. Because it doesn't.

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      A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
  2. ummmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that many really necessary? I mean REALLY?

  3. Is this really "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matter" by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1
    Hmmm, if I was really interested in the right NetBSD announcements I'd subscribe to the appropriate list. I don't think this is very, nerdy, and it surely isn't anything that matters.

    While I don't mind the occasional, hey look at this new cool software package, this seems completely out of place on Slashdot. Monthly postings of the number of packages just seems incredibly bizarre. It's not like you are posting a new revision, a new feature, a new major release, major changes. In short, this isn't news worthy, probably not even to people who use NetBSD on a daily basis. If there we're some compelling packages it would be better. It's not like they just finished porting KDE or Gnome, or MS Office to it. That would qualify as slashdot worthy.

    I thought the first time it was done last month, it was weird but okay for slashdot, however, I can't see the use in posting it every month. What is there to discuss? It is merely a statistic, there isn't anything compelling in the story to discuss, hence my meta-discussion of if it is worthy of discussion.

    Kirby

  4. Re:Is this really "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matt by Lshmael · · Score: 1

    64 packages in one month is more than 2 packages being added a day. And besides, among the notable additions were "xmms-funtimedancer." How did NetBSD users survive without a funtime dancer?

  5. not needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    didn't we just have a NetBSD package article? Is this news? We don't know how many FreeBSD and OpenBSD packages there are, how many Fink packages or Gentoo packages there are? I don't want to like like a troll but it doesn't seem nessisary

    1. Re:not needed? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      didn't we just have a NetBSD package article [slashdot.org]? Is this news? We don't know how many FreeBSD and OpenBSD packages there are, how many Fink packages or Gentoo packages there are? I don't want to like like a troll but it doesn't seem nessisary

      Good point. I demand a Black Cat Linux package count.

  6. Re:Is this really "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matt by Flamerule · · Score: 1
    You would have a point if this story had been posted to the main page.

    But it wasn't.

    It was posted to the BSD section, where it's perfectly appropriate. I haven't noticed monthly /. BSD-section postings of the number of packages in NetBSD, and in any case I was moderately interested by this post.

    So either you took time out to visit the BSD section, or you've set the /. option to collapse sections -- either way, if you're not interested, just ignore it.

  7. Huh. Numbers all over the place by great+throwdini · · Score: 1

    The All NetBSD Packages document (long) states 3706 packages ... numbers, numbers, everywhere!

    1. Re:Huh. Numbers all over the place by MobyTurbo · · Score: 1
      The All NetBSD Packages document (long) states 3706 packages ... numbers, numbers, everywhere!
      The figure used in the article is what is in the -current pkgsrc tree (which works with 1.6 -release and -stable, it simply doesn't have a seperate development tree). The URL you included is from the 1.6 -release branch back in September 14, 2002. It's grown yet more since then. Check the latest version of that file in CVS.
    2. Re:Huh. Numbers all over the place by MobyTurbo · · Score: 1

      P.S., there is a special release-1-6-1 pkgsrc, due to the important changes in pkgsrc's infrastructure from NetBSD 1.6 they wanted to have a new tag, that is the exception, not the rule however. (And isn't currently the file the parent of this article's parent claims.)

  8. Re:Is this really "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matt by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 1, Informative
    This is either the second or third time it's been posted, as a monthly statistic. It's just odd. I find a lot of the BSD stories interesting. When OpenBSD posts a new 3.X version that had the GCC patches for helping to detect and stop stack overflow attacks, or when the big packet filter fiasco happened, those are interesting stories that involved something there was to discuss. When NetBSD finally gets ported to the handheld abacus that Sir Issac Newton used (I made that up). When NetBSD has a new stable release. This is basically saying NetBSD is being maintained... I don't find that shocking, or news worthy in any way shape of form. It was good a story first time or two. If they posted about the package of the month (especially, if 3 of them in 3 months, instead of two).

    One example story was here: Stats for Feb

    Posted by timothy, submitted by Dan, with a link to bsdforums.

    Here is another story: Stats for January

    Look at that posted by timothy, submitted by Dan with a link to bsdforums.

    Like I said, I didn't mind the first or second time it was posted, but it seems silly to post them on a monthly basis. I suppose I can start submitting the number of LOC a base Linux kernel has.

    There are lots of interesting stories about BSD, this isn't one of them.

    I'd rather see them post interesting things about BSD, I'm sure they are out there, this isn't one of them. Statistical updates about NetBSD that consist of a single number seem dull to me. If they had a list of interesting packages, rather then a list of 64 packages of which there are 3 or 4 sets of 6 inter-related packages, so the number isn't particularly meaningful anyways...

    Kirby

  9. I'll see you and raise... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    If it exists for Linux, it's probable that it's packaged in RPM format.

    Of course, for both deb and rpm, there's the excellent checkinstall

  10. Shocking by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Funny

    And besides, among the notable additions were "xmms-funtimedancer." How did NetBSD users survive without a funtime dancer?

    They haven't been. NetBSD has been dying for lack of a funtime dancer. :-)

  11. Re:Is this really "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matt by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    When NetBSD finally gets ported to the handheld abacus that Sir Issac Newton used (I made that up).

    Forget Slashdot; the Associated Press would pick that one up in a heartbeat.

    You're right, though. Even a story detailing the last package packaged each month for NetBSD would be more useful. Someone might discover a new software package.

  12. Re:Is this really "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I completely agree. I'm a BSD nerd myself, the BSd topic is always on my front page, but even i think this is a bit ridiculous. Sure, post when you get a cool, round milestone number like 3000 or 3500, but updating it every month is a waste of time.

  13. Most portable package system ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    All you guys seem to fail to catch one important fact: NetBSD pkgsrc does not support only NetBSD itself, but also many other operating systems, including FreeBSD, Darwin, Linux, Solaris, AIX, etc. This is another place where portability and clean design of NetBSD shines.