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Intel Demonstrates 220Mbps Variant of UWB

MattyIce writes "InfoWorld has a story about a yet to be approved standard for a high-speed, short distance communications standard. Last year, Intel demonstrated 100MBPS speeds but they have bumped the speed up to 220MBPS this time." Fast stuff, but I imagine it'll be a long time before it comes to market. I haven't even upgraded my wireless network to 802.11g yet!

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  1. Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Technology keeps outdating itself... but some people can never accept it.

    My $1000 486 10 years ago has seen a 99.9% decrease in value.

    This $20 book published in 1998 has some idiot trying to get $5 out of it.

    I've seen organizations rent computers for $30/month/each just to escape this madness.

    1. Re:Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it's an open source businessmodel!

      1: Write free software.
      2: ?
      3: Bump up from 100MBPS to 220MBPS.
      4: Profit!

    2. Re:Technology by JJahn · · Score: 1

      Good thing no one is standing over you with a club telling you to always be bleeding edge. (Well maybe some people have to deal with that but I don't.) I look at all these new shiny toys and think, thats great but my 802.11b still works for my purposes. My 2 year old computer is still good for my needs. Until they aren't, I'll stick with the old stuff.

    3. Re:Technology by IAR80 · · Score: 1

      I'll give you 5$ for it. :) Still you can build a firewall out of it so all is not lost.

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  2. Another name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    a high-speed, short distance communications standard. isn't that called shouting?

    1. Re:Another name by forged · · Score: 1
      shouting = cheap and reliable, but low tech !

      This is news for nerds. Show us hardware, and we'll find things to do with it !

    2. Re:Another name by Oscar_Wilde · · Score: 1
      a high-speed, short distance communications standard. isn't that called shouting?

      Now what kind of LoC transfer speeds can you get this way?!

    3. Re:Another name by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      For a high-speed, short distance communications standard, you could always adapt Pigeon Protocol (see the RFC) for use with hummingbirds.

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    4. Re:Another name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its a high speed, short distance communication. However, can it ever exceed the throughput of throwing DAT tapes at someone?

    5. Re:Another name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ahem.

      From RFC 1149:
      Avian carriers can provide high delay, low throughput, and low altitude service.
    6. Re:Another name by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
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  3. How far does it go? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Exactly how far away does this thing work? Does it go through walls, etc? I have never tried a wireless network, yeah I know... stuck in a cave!

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    1. Re:How far does it go? by yehim1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Judging from the frequency of this network, between 3.1GHz and 10.6GHz, the distance must be limited to the size of a PAN (personal area network). The article puts how useful it is to replace bluetooth as the medium of transfer for PANs (also, it solves the conflict between bluetooth 802.11b, since they use the frequency bands).

      Perhaps one day we'll be able to synchronize our ipods over this connections; it beats connecting the firewire cable anytime! I can even put the ipod in the pocket. Something that we can already accomplish with bluetooh, minus the available bandwidth (and also minimizes interference with WLAN networks).

      For longer radius of operation, 802.11a is suggested to be used (for example between buildings).

    2. Re:How far does it go? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Yeah, too many words in the article, better ask someone to repeat the important parts. Two minutes reading is just TOO LONG.

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    3. Re:How far does it go? by afidel · · Score: 1

      The frequency has nothing to do with distance. 802.11a's 5Ghz is almost squarely in the middle of the range you quote yet good adapters can get ~100ft indoors and even more outdoors in unobstructed areas.

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    4. Re:How far does it go? by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

      Actually, frequency does have something to do with range. Not proprotionally, but as it relates to the material in the environment. As 802.11b operates in the 2.1Ghz spectrum, which is the same frequency range that your microwave oven operates in, range is suseptable to environmental effects that many people do not think of.

      A microwave oven generally works by oscilating the water mollecules in the food you are putting in their path. It is reasonable to assume then that as the amount of water in the air increases, you will see a loss of range on 802.11b, simply by virtue of the radio waves interacting with that water.

      As 802.11a operates in the 5Ghz spectrum, (which is not a resonant frequency for water) it is susceptible to other elements and molecules that resonate at that frequency.

      As a comparison point, IR is more likely to be affected by water in the atmosphere than UV is, but UV is strongly affected by the amount of O3, which seems to have little or no effect on IR.

      -Rusty

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    5. Re:How far does it go? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Actually .11b is 2.4Ghz and microwave ovens work by putting several hundred to well over a thousand watts of energy into a tiny space, it has nothing to do with resonant frequencies (not sure how many times I have seen this myth corrected). .11b actually has a fairly low rain fade rate with decent equipment (for instance Cisco bridges with directional antennas). .11a does have problems penetrating cement block though due to wavelength issues.

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  4. So? by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When can I use my HDs merely by putting them within 1 meter of my comp? Screw those stupid & ugly flat cables, I want a nice, clean and wireless solution for this and I'm pretty sure allot of people with me.

    1. Re:So? by m1chael · · Score: 1, Funny

      you would hope the range is only one metre or you may not be the only one watching your porn.

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    2. Re:So? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      War-wanking? I really really don't want to know what chalk-symbols would be used for that.

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    3. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll still need a power cable. So you might as well just use SATA since it's already here.

    4. Re:So? by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't understand the desire for wireless. You need to get power from somewhere, so they best you can hope for is a small, simple cable connecting things.

      So, get Firewire hard drives, and you should be set.

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    5. Re:So? by m1chael · · Score: 1

      its karma sutra encrypted.

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  5. Well ... by TwistedKestrel · · Score: 4, Informative
    I haven't even upgraded my wireless network to 802.11g yet!


    IEEE hasn't even ratified 802.11g yet!
  6. MBPS vs Mbps by Skreech · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article is talking about megabits (Mbps), not megabytes (MBps) as mentioned above. Capitalization matters on that acronym.

  7. Lynchpin for adoption? by Quarters · · Score: 4, Funny
    Fast stuff, but I imagine it'll be a long time before it comes to market. I haven't even upgraded my wireless network to 802.11g yet!

    The time to market for new wireless technology is connected to your personal networking topology exactly how?

  8. That's nothing! by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now you can buy cable from this guy that allows communications faster than light! A mere $325.00/1m, what a bargain! (It seems that Mathew Orman figured out where Einstein was wrong. [But don't they all?])

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    1. Re:That's nothing! by rocca · · Score: 1

      Now THAT was one of the funniest things I've read in a while. :-)

    2. Re:That's nothing! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      He's still got a ways to go to catch up with Time Cube or Alex Chiu

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  9. Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&g by forged · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just earlier today I bought a FireWire 6-to-6 pins cable to plug two of my PC's back-to-back, since they're otherwise on different VLANs (one on VPN to work ond one directly on the ADSL link for personal stuff). That worked really nicely, and I'm now experiencing the joy of transfering stuff 4x faster than FastEthernet between the two machines. Cost of the cable: 25 EUR.

  10. What a UWB device is and how it works. by fejrskov · · Score: 5, Informative

    Originally the term "Ultra Wide Band" designated a special modulation technique but in February 2003 the FCC approved a standard to define UWB-communication as a communication with a minimal 10-dB bandwidth of 20% of the center frequency.

    The original modulation scheme associated with UWB works almost as Pulse Position Modulation (PPM): Within a certain, fixed time slot a very short pulse with high energy is emitted. The position of the pulse is decided by a in advance determined code scheme. Depending of the code scheme and the pulse position, the time slot is interpreted as containing either a 0 or a 1.

    The powerfull short pulses can be shown to have a very weak and very wide representation in the frequency domain. Without knowing the coding scheme in a link, a UWB signal is thus seen as noise.

    Walls and other obstacles tend to obstruct certain specific frequencies only. Since UWB signals have Ultra Wide Bandwith, UWB communication can theroretically go through all kinds of natural obstacles very easily.

    The hard part in UWB is making an antenna, that can actually emit signals with this very high bandwidth. Normal antennas are designed to emit in a narrow band. Thus, to make UWB work flawlessly, a lot of research must be made to make a good antenna.

    Disclaimer: EE student (only) in the field of Wireless Communication Networks.

    1. Re:What a UWB device is and how it works. by Eros · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think I speak for the majority of slashdotters who aren't EE majors when I say -- WTF?

      All and all it was a good attempt.

  11. Oh is that all?? by hydrino · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was all excited when I saw the MBPS. Now I'm only 1/8 as excited.
    This isn't Fox News guys.
    You all need to sit down in a room and go over the (b)bits and (B)Bytes thing....

    1. Re:Oh is that all?? by needlenose · · Score: 1

      Why 1/8? Try again. How about 1/10 or 1/12 or so? There ain't no stupid network in this world that sends you 8 bits per byte!!! 10 to 12 is a bit more realistic. 8 bits isn't even true inside a cpu unless it's cheap and dumb. Parity and ECC eat bits for lunch.

    2. Re:Oh is that all?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're talking about the difference between bps and baud, which is not really the problem here. Fight that battle another time.

    3. Re:Oh is that all?? by rtscts · · Score: 1

      Baud is the signal rate on the line, ie. how quickly a modem can change tones. Each tone may carry more than one bit worth of information.

      At one time, bps = baud. Each beep down the wire represented one bit. Once the modems were capable of generating more unique tones, each tone carried more than a bit worth of information.

      Parity is error correction, which is independant of baud, bps and the rest of it.

  12. Antenna by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative

    The discone antenna is simple to construct and has very wide bandwidth.

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    1. Re:Antenna by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Very wide bandwidth, but little gain. That probably shouldn't matter for short range.

      And for everything else, there's Pringles... :^P

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    2. Re:Antenna by IAR80 · · Score: 1

      The gain deppends on the frequency. Low gain for low frequencies and high gain for high frequencies. Also high bandwidth with BPSK modulation might work better than low bandwidth 256QAM modulation.

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  13. Not too late to market either... by watzinaneihm · · Score: 1

    The article seems to suggest it could be out by 2004-05. Thats just about a year and a half to wait.
    The speed seems good enuff to replace cables evarywhere you use them. Cables are essentially used when we have short ranges and large data, exactly what this offers.Imagine wireless monitors, external storage and all sorts of reconfigurable computers (imagine a beouwulf cluster which can be reconfigured by just moving machines around and joining a group).

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    1. Re:Not too late to market either... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intel late as usual...Time Domain has a 240 out already. Saw it at the FCC showcase last Feb.

      UWB will go to 500 or so within a year or two. But speed is only a fraction of what UWB can do.

      UWB is capable of detecting size, shape and composition of what it reflects off of, and because it can be run at very high frequencies, it can detect microscopic objects.

      I have always wanted to hook up a really large cluster and an antenna array and try an scan animals for diseases.

      Or, for that matter of fact, add a "herf pulse" effect and do some non invasive surgery...

  14. What's the speed of this? by SysKoll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see MBps (mega Byte per second) and Mbps (Mega bit per second). A byte is 8 bits. That's an order of magnitude of difference!

    The standardized way of writing this unit is Mbit/s or MByte/s. Don't invent your own, use the standard units.

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    1. Re:What's the speed of this? by needlenose · · Score: 1

      Sorry...in geekdom MB and Mb are standard.... also MB/s and Mb/s

    2. Re:What's the speed of this? by SysKoll · · Score: 1
      Yes, I agree, that's what I said. MB/ and Mb/s are OK. It the dumbed-down "BPS" writing that is a mistake. It's on par with the murky "musical watts" of sound equipment makers.

      So you're absolutely welcome to use MB/s or Mb/s.

      Thanks for your reply.

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    3. Re:What's the speed of this? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Don't invent your own, use the standard units.

      Damn Right! You younguns and yer crazy metric system, and other such...

      Why it was 2 score and 5 years ago, back when I started workin' on computers. The hard drives we had back then was 4 cubits talls by themselves.
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    4. Re:What's the speed of this? by SysKoll · · Score: 1
      Not to mention magnetic tape in half-furlong reels!

      Ah, good old time, when mentioning RAID inside a computer room made people man the battle stations and wait for the Vikings.

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  15. What's the point??? by evilviper · · Score: 1

    Is there really a market for this kind of thing?

    Please, name an application where two devices are less than 1 meter apart, need very high-speed communications, and a $0.10 cable can't be used.

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    1. Re:What's the point??? by fejrskov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a huge market for this because since the UWB technique doesn't require carrier waves and lots of power it doesn't require all sorts of power amplification as traditional communication methods.

      So why is that cool? It means that UWB can be used as an inter IC communication method, thus eliminating the need of parallel buses!

      When the antennas are becoming better (higher gain), the UWB technique will expand to have a larger range, which will expand the market even further.

  16. Re:Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&am by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Freedom from wires means freedom from climbing into your attic to run cables from the living room to a back bedroom, and punching holes in the ceiling to drop the cable through.

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  17. Re:Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&am by evilviper · · Score: 1

    But gigabit ethernet cards are cheaper than firewire cards, and CAT5 cable is dirt cheap.

    Then you can experience "the joy of transfering stuff [10x] faster than FastEthernet between the two machines." Or better than twice as fast as firewire, have the ability to hook up more than two systems to each other, etc.

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  18. Re:Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&am by forged · · Score: 1
    While I agree with your post, I don't have a GigE NIC in any of my PC's, and the 1394 cable only cost me 25. With firewire becoming ubiquitous in new machines, it seemed interesting to point this out.

    Check what these guys do.

  19. Beinng a dork by Epistax · · Score: 1

    approved standard for a high-speed, short distance communications standard We now have a standard for a standard? When did that standard pass?

  20. Re:What a Discone is and how it works. by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    You have have seen discone antennas sold for scanner aficionados, who need a wide frequency range but usually not directionality.

    Imagine a cone, pointy side up, with a disc on top. Take one wire to the disk, the other to the cone.

    I'm having a devil of a time finding an explanation of the theory that won't collapse under a Slashdotting. One important point is that a frequency range of 3 to 1 or 10 to 1 is considered pretty good for a practical antenna, which might not be enough for a UWB signal.

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  21. This is not a WiFi replacement by sbwoodside · · Score: 1

    This is not a WiFi replacement, it's a cable replacement (like Firewire). UWB cannot be used at range, at least partly because it uses very very low power so as not to interfere with the large number of other devices using the variety of frequencies that it covers (which is a huge swathe).

    There is some mention by an Intel person that this might become a part of the Bluetooth standard though.

    simon

    1. Re:This is not a WiFi replacement by JohnnyCannuk · · Score: 1

      It's at very low power because the FCC said to put it at low power. The Pulse Position Modualtion (PPM)nature means it is not likely to interfier with other transmissions - it will look like regular background noise.

      So, to get bigger distances, TURN UP THE POWER! I'd be willing to bet it works ;). That's why its part of the IEEE 802.15 standard for Personal Area Networks (PAN).

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    2. Re:This is not a WiFi replacement by sbwoodside · · Score: 1

      It's at very low power because the FCC said to put it at low power.

      But your argument is circular ... the FCC said to put it at low power because it will interfere. It really doesn't matter if the signal looks like noise or something else, it will still interfere!

      (and since it's ultra-wideband, it will interfere will a lot of different signals)

      simon

  22. Just the opposite by Saeger · · Score: 1
    It's actually just the opposite.

    It's like whispering to your nearest neighbor vs a broadcast shout to everyone in the area, and if your neighbor isn't directly wired, he should in turn route your message further along an overlapping mesh of other wireless nodes.

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  23. Re:Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&am by afidel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your security guy would kill you if he heard that. By bridging your unsecured PC to your VPN'd pc you have opened a door that crackers can use to get into your corporate network. The whole point of a VPN is to have a secured connection between your pc and the corporate lan that can't be used by outside sources.

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  24. Re:Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&am by rtscts · · Score: 1

    For the price of a GbE card, you can get a 4-6 port FW card. Use one machine as a router/server, and you have 5-7 machines at FW speeds. To do that with GbE you'd need a Gb switch, which ain't cheap.

  25. Re:Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&am by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

    Multiport FireWire cards have all the ports on the same bus, so in that scenario all the machines would share the 400Mbps.

  26. CowboyNeal?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't trust any news brough to me by CowboyNeal. I have strong evidence given to me by my advisors that he is part of the axis of evil and part of the evil regime that held iraq in a iron fist.

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  27. Re:Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&am by evilviper · · Score: 1

    You don't need a switch for gigabit over copper. Assuming the total wiring length is less than 50 meters, all you need is some CAT-5 splitters, which should cost less than a single firewire cable does.

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  28. Re:Wireless means Freedom, but cables are cheap&am by evilviper · · Score: 1
    with firewire becoming ubiquitous in new machines

    Wow! That's the first time I've heard someone claim that! My experience is quite the opposite (here in the U.S.)... If you want firewire in your new system, you either have to buy the card yourself, or shop around until you find the few systems that come with firewire, and pay significantly more for the feature.
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