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DARPA to Fund TIA Study

clonebarkins writes "Federal Computer Week has an article on a DARPA-funded study of privacy-related concerns related to TIA. "We envision software that will mask the identity of any individual whose pattern of activities triggers the suspicion of investigators," says the program manager of the Information and Intelligence Exploitation Division. Yeah, sure--that'll happen about as soon as Ashcroft converts to Islam."

18 comments

  1. yah, right by elmegil · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because after all, masking the identity of individuals who the Defense Department thinks might be a threat is the WHOLE POINT, right?

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  2. Just the facts, please by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, sure--that'll happen about as soon as Ashcroft converts to Islam.

    Can we please have the submitters refrain from making editorial comments in their story submissions? Please use the Comments section like everyone else. We get enough of being told what to believe from the mass media. We don't need it on slashdot, too.

    My request is directed towards editors, as well.

    GMD

    1. Re:Just the facts, please by clonebarkins · · Score: 1
      Can we please have the submitters refrain from making editorial comments in their story submissions?

      Can we please have the registered users' posts be on-topic? Please use the Comments section like everyone else. We get enough off-topic posts from Anonymous Cowards. We don't need it from registered users too.

      The entire concept of Slashdot is to editorialize.

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    2. Re:Just the facts, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please use the Comments section like everyone else.

      um, this *is* the comments section.

      The entire concept of Slashdot is to editorialize.

      i think that dude is trying to say that editorial comments belong in the editorial/comments section and *only* in the editorial/comments section.

    3. Re:Just the facts, please by clonebarkins · · Score: 1
      um, this *is* the comments section.

      You're absolutely correct. However, he's using it to gripe about the use of the post as an editorial rather than to discuss the topic of the article; ergo, his use of the comments section is unlike "everyone else". It was meant to be farcical, aka a parody.

      i think that dude is trying to say that editorial comments belong in the editorial/comments section and *only* in the editorial/comments section.

      Perhaps, but he gives no reasons why that should be. He only asks for a certain behavior, indicating that the current one is wrong, but gives no clear reasons why one way is better than the other.

      Additionally, I would like to see if this same person has made this same comment in every other topic that has editorials in the original story. Of the last 10, 9 of them have editorials in the submitted story.

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  3. Bad idea... by Paddyish · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In theory, TIA would enable national security analysts to detect, classify, track, understand and pre-empt terrorist attacks against the United States by drawing upon surveillance and patterns in public and private transactions.

    And in theory, communism worked beautifully. Too bad no one thought it through to the nth iteration...

    It would be interesting to see details on how
    1.) 'Threatening' patterns and their levels are selected, and
    2.) How someone could spam the system with threatening activity.

    Mmmm...spam...

    1. Re:Bad idea... by ArsonPanda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would be interesting to see details..

      Of course, its only a matter of time until even asking for such details lands you in a cell in cuba, for public safty. Wouldn't want you knowing how to get around it now would we? After all, the DOJ has already made great strides in gutting FOIA.

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    2. Re:Bad idea... by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Very good point, however it seems people here in the states at least are so worried about terrorists and everything that they seem to like the idea of TIA. I believe that the general public does not understand it and its consequences. Right now we as citizens have security through obscurity. When, not if, all of the government agencies all the way down to the local library have a single "master database" to cross reference everything then we are in trouble.

      This does show potential for security, but the risks far outweigh the benefits. With one system a hacker must only break one system. If there is a virus, again only one system. A government employee that works on the database can be selling information to other companies/individuals/rouge nations. Even the government could give detailed information to certain large benefactors.

      Go calculate something

    3. Re:Bad idea... by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

      In Theory there is no difference between Theory and Practice. {Doctor Strangelove}

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  4. why have a forum then? by zogger · · Score: 2, Informative

    why even have any sort of inter active website, with commentary being a main part of the whole construct?

    That's the deal here, come up with an article, use your born with rights to drop an opinion, add more links to support your case, perhaps, and so on. Get the ball rolling. That's a valid point he made, it's a sarcastic comment to make a political point-what the government says and what it does is more often than not two different things. That is called "lying" what they do a lot, and there's so much evidence of it now that anything big brother inc says should be taken with several large handfuls of salt. ESPECIALLY when it comes to privacy concerns, actually following constitutional law, respecting people's BORN-WITH not government-granted "rights". They are big fat lying goons when it comes to that, the editor was being too kind if you ask me. And they think they own you, that they have all the power, and you don't, and they can throw you a bone at their leisure. Goons. I wouldn't buy a used skateboard from them, let alone believe them on anything really important. Putting poindexter in charge? That guy? Mr blatantly lie to congress? Mr. veracity himself? Ha!

    I do believe, though, their entire purpose was summed up quite nicely with that first symbol they used for TIA, the all seeing cult control eye over the planet, and the word "total". Now that I believe, that is their true intentions, now it's spin control, just like they spin most everything.

    Just like at waco when the tank was smashing it's way in and they kept broadcasting "THIS IS NOT AN ASSAULT!"

    Puh-leeze. Slashdot is news for nerds, stuff that matters, then we discuss it, cuss it, opinionate on it, rant on and rave on. It's a nice formula,it's not perfect but it "works" and all in all it ain't that "broken". Ya we get some dupes, oh well, if you missed it before it's handy, if you saw it before easy enough to not click on it. Besides that I am just not seeing this website being "wrong", it's pretty good really. If all you want is raw data, try google news. really easy to use and navigate. Of course, all or most of those articles are spun as well, just the nature of the reporting/politics/business beast. It's almost impossible to find anything news-like written by a human that doesn't have an opinion angle included with it. The article submitters and editors are "human", it's just going to happen. It just is. Everyone here has a free shot at it, to submit their own story for discussion. There are more important things to be upset over.

    my 2 coins, nothing personal at all

    1. Re:why have a forum then? by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you understand my point or not. If so, your reply isn't really responding to it (at least the first half of your reply). It's going off about the fact that politians lie and we all have the right to speak our mind and so forth. Well, I happen to agree with all that. I'm not complaining about people speaking their opinions -- I'm complaining about those opinions being part of the story summary.

      I come to slashdot to read the comments primarily because I DO want to hear what others are thinking. But I don't want those opinions embedded in the story summary, regardless of whether they are from submitters or slashdot editors. That's all I'm saying. I don't see how you can think "Yeah, that'll happen as soon as Ashcroft becomes Islamic" is a valuable contribution to the story summary. It actually has very little to do with the summary -- it's a childish little comment the submitter "sneaked in".

      GMD

    2. Re:why have a forum then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read somewhere else then, girly man!

  5. uh huh... right... by Zaphod+B · · Score: 1

    Question 6: How will privacy issues be resolved?

    Answer:
    Congress will have the major role in resolving any privacy issues that result from TIA research. All TIA research complies with all privacy laws, without exception. In addition, the oversight boards that the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics has established will ensure that TIA develops its products and disseminates them in a manner consistent with public policy concerns.
    ...so, uh, I'm supposed to trust my Congresscritters, including Her Holiness Dianne Feinstein, as well as the Department of Defense, to keep the DoD from prying into my life?

    Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

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    1. Re:uh huh... right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are the same people, no doubt, who oversee Carnivore, a project that is widely suspected (we don't know becuase WE HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD) to just grab every damn mail that passes it on the hunt for anything interesting

    2. Re:uh huh... right... by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

      Do you expect the gov to tell you? espc. if at some future point it could be ruled unconstutional.

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  6. OK, I understand that by zogger · · Score: 1

    --I understand that point. Guess it's a matter of taste then, I don't care about it all that much. I also know should I choose to I can submit my own articles, with whatever little quips I want to insert. I like a zesty forum! Not flame wars and vulgar city, just *zesty*, lotta action. I think part of the deal is, you DO get to put your own little synopsis here with an article submission. If you couldn't, it would be basically a link and the article authors headline title, and that's it. Or it would be pretty dry and droll. who wants that? It's the little payoff, the "bonus", for being a contributor that the website-slashdot- gives to the voluntary article submitters , the only thing they get that makes it worthwhile for anyone to want to spend the time to find an interestinf article, write up the synopisis, submit it, and then maybe to share it. Else, no point, find article, read it to yourself. Wait for "the other guy" to submit an article. Wait for the editors to do it. Depending on "the other guy" to do stuff just doesn't always work. If they disallowed a "free" type of synopsis, I would wager article submissions would drop off considerably. That's just a guess and opinion, but bet I'm right on that one.

    The really main *thing* I have noticed, running and moderating forums since 97, if a forum isn't zesty, it won't get used. You got to prime the pump all the time, or your forumites do it, or that forum goes bye bye. Sometimes it helps to drop something "controversial" just to get discussions going on them. Opinions usually work for that purpose. Having them included right off the bat in the lead synopsis isn't that bad, as long as they aren't completely misleading to the actual text of the article, IMO. I think we can all read around an opinion, it's just some words on a screen after all.

  7. If TIA had been available during WWII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two nazi code breakers are able to crack into the all-in-one TIA database with records from *all* government departments. They are looking for a famous defector so they can "neutralize" him.

    nazi 1: OK, we're in. What do we search for?
    nazi 2: How about, "world famous physicist"

    (types on keyboard)

    nazi 1: Wow, we have a match. But wait, the name is 31nst31n. What gives?
    nazi 2: Hmm, I don't knew. Check if he has purchased white lab coats recently.

    (searches again)

    nazi 1: Yup. A closet full. Hey, and look the second credit card belongs to Mrs. Einstein!
    nazi 2: Good work. Find their home address and work hours while I put on my fake nose and moustache...
    nazi 1: Yes sir. And while I'm at it, I'll find out who thought up this Total Information Absolutism and give him a raise!
    nazi 2: No. It stands for Thoroughly Imbibed Alcoholics. Get it straight.

  8. Here's an idea... by Ezekiel+Zachariah · · Score: 1

    If we don't like these various ways the government is trying to gain information about us, why don't we protest in good /. fasion? By this I mean, do it the backwards and intelligent way. So the gov wants our info? Fill the system with faulty info, eg: borrow wierd books from the library, or whatever will mess with the system. Let them have their toys, lets just make the output pointless and useless garbage. If we tell them we don't want them to do it, and make it pointless for them to do it, that might make them stop. After all, without results, what is the point? Don't like the system? FInd a way to mess with it! :)

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