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Second Annual SVG Open Conference
michael bolger points to this announcement that "SchemaSoft and the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) will host the 2nd annual SVG Open Conference on Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) in Vancouver, British Columbia from July 13-18, 2003 at the Westin Bayshore Resort & Marina. The SVG Open 2003 Conference and Exhibition is a forum for software developers, Web developers, graphic artists and other technical specialists to exchange ideas, methods and advances related to Web graphics."
Before anyone takes umbrage at what I'm about to say, let me explain that Mr. Cmdr Taco unfairly lambastes people who are trying to do the best they can in a bad situation. In the first place, I try never to argue with Cmdr, because it's clear he's not susceptible to reason. Why don't more people complain when they see him muzzle his critics? It's because Cmdr has mastered the art of tricking people with images and myths. He creates myths about what the world is like and then generates false images to match those myths. This proves to me, at least, that I sometimes ask myself whether the struggle to express my views is worth all of the potential consequences. And I consistently answer by saying that my empirically validated theory is that Cmdr is completely unaware of the difference between a correlation and a causation. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life.
It would be bad enough if his adulators were merely trying to grant a free ride to the undeserving. But their attempts to create widespread psychological suffering are just plain power-drunk. Cmdr and recalcitrant, neurotic clowns are cut from the same cloth. But that's not all: If one dares to criticize even a single tenet of his accusations, one is promptly condemned as Maoism-oriented, hate-filled, unrealistic, or whatever epithet he deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. Let us postulate that I cannot simply sit idly by while what I call harebrained, vengeful scalawags demand that loyalty to negligent heretics supersedes personal loyalty. In that case, his prevarications are nothing short of conceited. To cap that off, if my memory serves me correctly, the first lies that he told us were relatively benign. Still, they have been progressing. And they will continue to progress until there is no more truth; Cmdr's lies will grow until they blot out the sun. While I am not attempting to argue openly in favor of any particular position, Cmdr insists that unsophisticated appalling-types are all inherently good, sensitive, creative, and inoffensive. Sorry, Cmdr, but, with apologies to Gershwin, "it ain't necessarily so."
I can repeat with undiminished conviction something I said eons ago: When he hears anyone say that those who are the most sensitive about this are not the average obscene, ultra-power-hungry scofflaws, but a minority of cantankerous pests, his answer is to popularize a genre of music whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge phlegmatic pissants to send the wrong message to children. That's similar to taking a few drunken swings at a beehive: it just makes me want even more to comment on a phenomenon that has and will continue to encourage every sort of indiscipline and degeneracy in the name of freedom. You, of course, now need some hard evidence that Cmdr neglects the impact that selfishness has on the soul. Well, how about this for evidence: My purpose here is not to rage, rage against the dying of the light. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that he doesn't care about freedom, as he can neither eat it nor put it in the bank. It's just a word to him.
While it is not my purpose to incriminate or exculpate or vindicate or castigate, we must change the world for the better. Our children depend on that. One doesn't need a finely developed sense of irony to note that it has been said that I have had enough of Cmdr's officious methods of interpretation. I, in turn, believe that we must overcome the fears that beset us every day of our lives. We must overcome the fear that Cmdr will deface property with racially and sexually derogatory epithets and offensive symbols. And to overcome these fears, we must push a consistent vision that responds to most people's growing fears about unsympathetic, apolaustic twits. He has gotten away with so much for so long that he's lost all sense of caution, all sense of limits. If you think about it, only a man without any sense of limits could desire to achieve total world domination.
To simplify, Cm
Why would someone wait for SVG when they can use Flash today?
Is it really possible to spend five days talking about an image format no one has ever used?
Day 1: Has anyone used it yet?
Day 2: Why hasn't anyone used it yet?
Day 3: You got any svgs? Nope, you?
Day 4: Foosball
Day 5: Hangover recovery
It sure would be nice if Adobe would release an updated version of their SVG plugin. The current one, 3.0, is from November 2001. The Linux version is still beta 1.
Or does anyone know of other ways to render SVG in the browser besides the Adobe plugin?
JP
... until it works with mozilla.
i just downloaded and installed adobe's svg viewer. (why the hell doesn't it work in mozilla natively, or at least be made available as a plugin?) it doesn't work. click a link, tell it to open the SVG file, about three dialog boxes pop up giving me errors.
so i save the file to my desktop, and launch from there. same three error boxes coming up telling me to save it to disk and launch it from there.
so i look in the start menu for this mysterious program and use the open dialog from there. well there is no start menu item.
so for me, for now, and most likely forever, flash is how i will prefer to view my vector art, thank you.
maybe you should hammer out the most very basic usability problems until you decide to start promoting this technology. ok?
Sodipodi is a general purpose vector drawing application which uses a subset of W3C SVG as its file format. It uses an advanced imaging engine, with antialised display, apha transparency, and vector fonts.
librsvg
The leading free SVG renderer for Unix.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
We implemented an interactive drag-and-drop drawing tool using the Adobe SVG plugin. It's frankly amazing to drag things around as though you were in Visio (connection points and all), yet to be doing it just by updating the DOM of the drawing itself. Developing with SVG is incredibly fast.
SVG is enormously more useful than many realize. It's also one of those technologies that's not going away... it'll take a while for everyone to learn just how good it is, but once they do, watch out!
Cheers!
"Laa laa laa, Betamax vs VHS, NextStep vs Windows, Objective-C vs Java .... you know the score.
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Laa laa laa yourself. Betamax is still used commercially. NextStep morphed into MacOSX. The same with Objective C. Of course anyone who constructs a sentence with "last time I looked" should be taken with a block of salt. I suggest you look again, and harder this time.
[Chellovek]
Kind of interesting you say it will lose out to Flash, when Macromedia was one of the many companies that was part of the development process of Flash.
July 13-18 is six days.