Interview With Chris McKillop of QNX

Sheepish writes "OSNews features an interview with Chris McKillop, software engineer of QNX Software Systems. Chris, the most outspoken and 'visible' QNX employee in the QNX community, is discussing about performance differences between RT and monolithic kernels, the difficulties of pitching a new OS to the world, the Linux and Microsoft threat to QNX in the embedded space, QNX's Momentics desktop operating system and more."

Comments

Chris is very active on supporting the community.

[qnx6]

If you read the QNX community site, you will see that cdm is very active in the forums, answering questions from QNX users. For the other QNX employees that do "say" something, the number of posts are far behind. cdm is also "full time" on the #qnx irc channel at irc.qnxstart.com. Drop by if you wanna say hi to him :)

It's QNX Neutrino

[variable]

QNX Momentics is our development toolset - it exists on Windows, Solaris and Neutrino. The "desktop" OS is actually QNX Neutrino.

Re:It's QNX Neutrino

[DustMagnet]

I love QNX, but I've never understood why they wont write a swapper for it. Maybe they have in the last few years, I haven't kept up. They had an almost religious statement that QNX should never be a desktop system, so that's why it shouldn't swap.

It would be so nice to see the real time priority system they use applied to a swap server process.

"memory's cheap"

Re:Spyware

[The Bungi]

It's possible, but I doubt it. A dump of the working set mapped libs for IE shows nothing more exciting than Flash and the Google toolbar.

Re:Spyware

[The Bungi]

Haha. Just load into the debugger, and voila. http://itxt.vibrantmedia.com/system/liveintellitxt .asp is serving that crap up to IE5.5 or greater.

Wasn't in my hosts file.

Re: It is NOT spyware

[Anonymous Coward]

This is just a new form of advertising, it only works on IE 5.5 and above. So, it seems that you are using IE... ;-)

Re:Chris is very active on supporting the communit

[Anonymous Coward]

Note that irc.qnxstart.com does not exist and that the correct server is either irc.joher.com or irc.qnxzone.com.

That's simple

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a real time OS. It has hard realtime requirements. Lets say the program that is supposed to respond to an interrupt is swapped out. Then the hard realtime requirement has to include the maximum latency for seeking the disk head, the maximum rotational delay, plus all the regular overhead.

Right now, it's a context switch. They have a well measured, well defined maximum time it takes to do a context switch. Depends on the machine, but it's absolutely consistant, and documented what the worst case is, on the 386's we used for an embedded system it was well under 10 milliseconds (the regular quantum of the QNX 4.2).

I want to say it was on the order of microseconds. It was very, very fast.

The other problem, is that swapping, and virtual memory create a whole new realm of non-repeatable test cases. It's complicates the OS, and the testing of the groups of applications a great deal. QNX is supposed to run in pace makers, the NASA shuttles, fuel injections systems, and all kinds of other places, where "Opps, guess we never hit that case in testing, call the Q/A team, or e-mail the mailing list to find a resolution", isn't acceptable. QNX is incredibly simple, well defined, and acts the same way all the time. That's the beauty of it. Swap is a horrible abberation, that greatly complicates the systems, and introduces whole new classes of bugs, races, priority inversions. Just all kinds of nastyness, which is completely acceptable on a desktop OS, and not at all acceptable on a RTOS.

Kirby

Re:That's simple

[Anonymous Coward]

Man, you are uninformed...

RTOSs don't swap, they have enough memory space for everything. QNX isn't going to swap when it's in the Shuttle or a nuclear submarine. It's not going to swap when it's in a home appliance (TiVo, Microwave). The only place it's going to swap is in your desktop PC with a small amount of RAM.

Never mind this Real Time stuff

[fm6]

QNX is a way cool OS. But back in the 80s QNX blew its chance to be the PC OS, mainly by overpricing licenses. I'll never forgive them for that!

Re:Chris is very active on supporting the communit

[Anonymous Coward]

irc.qnxstart.com DOES exist. nslookup shows irc.qnxstart.com, irc.joher.com, irc.qnxzone.com are all the same IP address. Guess just different names.

Re:Spyware

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, Oh, what's that? Offtopic? Nay, looks like the righteous hand of Jesus to me! SMACKDOWN!!!

Re:test

[Anonymous Coward]

asdasdasdsa

Not at liberty?

[nasim]

I just have to poke at this hornet nest statement from the article...

"...Beyond that, I'm not at liberty to say..."

Not at liberty eh? Sounds like you need some free software. >:^}