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Electrochromic Visor Aids Motorcyclists

opticsorg writes "A team from Uppsala University and the firm Chromogenics Sweden AB have developed a flexible electrochromic foil and integrated it into the visor of a motorcycle helmet. The result is a visor that the rider can electronically switch between dark and transparent states. Applying a voltage of about 1V to the initially transparent visor causes it to darken in a matter of seconds. When the voltage is turned off, the visor keeps its properties, while applying a reverse voltage makes it revert to its natural lightly tinted state."

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  1. MIT and LCDs by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Something similar was tried as a studen project at MIT. They used a flexible LCD panel, fixed over the faceplate of a motorcycle helmet. It had the desired effect, letting them dim the view during the day and lighten it at night, all with just three AA batteries, a rocker switch, and a simple 555 strobing timer circuit.

    The project lead didn't manage to show up for the project class presentation however; he'd wiped out on the way to school.

    Apparently on a colder morning, the LCD began to dim on its own as the cold wind affected the crystals, making them darken slowly and subtly. By the time he consciously realized he wasn't seeing well, he'd already skidded into the back of a flatbed truck!

    I guess the simple lessons can be painful ones at MIT.

    1. Re:MIT and LCDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am calling shenanigans.

    2. Re:MIT and LCDs by HotButteredHampster · · Score: 1

      That's hilarious and sad at the same time. Kinda like when a clown dies.

      Seriously, on a motorcycle what you don't expect can kill you. A related phenomenon I ran into (not literally) was discovered when riding through light fog. The centre section of my visor began to get condensation on it from driving into the suspended water droplets. It was so subtle that I just thought that the fog was getting thicker. Eventually I could hardly see and then pulled over. Only then did I realize that the fog was no worse, it was only my visor!

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    3. Re:MIT and LCDs by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 1
      I had similar happen when I added a thick scarf for some late autumn riding. I thought it was gradually getting foggy, but the scarf had effectively sealed the airflow through the helmet sufficiently that the mouth grill wasn't enough to vent. I was causing vapor myself!

      Now I don't ride that late in the autumn. Instead, I spend my free time setting the stage for my wintertime barratry.

    4. Re:MIT and LCDs by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Any real rider doesn't feel the need to wave his cock around, and knows there's nothing magical about picking up an old bike on ebay and spending a month of weekends in maintenance classes. Or, I'll bet you take yours to the shop whenever you smell oil or stall you poser.

    5. Re:MIT and LCDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason to go to the shop is to buy a new part that is broken or worn. I build my bike up from the ground up. In fact the only time my bike was ever in a shop was on a cross country road trip when I blew out my front tire. didnt have the tools to replace it there, so I had a shop do it for me. Fucking RUBs.

    6. Re:MIT and LCDs by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 1
      In all seriousness, ask around in the community and find a good shop. Any good biker can do most everything on his own, but some things are just easier with the right tools.

      No matter how well you think you know the engine, you'll always learn a few things by working with someone else as well. There's a real hacking quality to tuning a bike, and the benefits you get crom community are no different there either.

    7. Re:MIT and LCDs by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 1

      p.s. You owe me $699, you thieving bastard. I'm invoicing Slashdot on your behalf.

    8. Re:MIT and LCDs by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "The project lead didn't manage to show up for the project class presentation however; he'd wiped out on the way to school."

      I wonder if I'll find this story on snopes.com... :)

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    9. Re:MIT and LCDs by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      And when it does, will it be labeled 'true' or 'false'?

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  2. This isn't "transparent" by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative

    The maximum transmissivity is 50% - in other words, at its "light" setting, it STILL blocks half the light coming in.

    At its "dark" setting, it transmits 20%.

    So what you have is not "clear" and "krylon black", but rather "dark" and "darker". While this is useful, it still would be darker than clear.

    And for all the people who will post about "I want this on my car" - no, you don't. Many municipalities have a legal limit of about 90% on car windows - pass less than this and the nice police officer can ticket you. Since 50% < 90%, if the cop wants to give you grief he can.

    1. Re:This isn't "transparent" by Shiifty · · Score: 4, Informative

      50% still isn't good enough for night time riding. I use a tinted visor on my helmet and sometimes get caught out after dark without my clear visor. The tint isn't too dark, maybe 35% but its enough to make you feel uncomfortable on main streets, nevermind rural areas. 50% wouldn't be much better. Simple solution, just flip it up if you get caught out, thats what I do.

    2. Re:This isn't "transparent" by synaptik · · Score: 1

      Ah, but once they've improved that tint range, we'll be able to make that post with impunity. :)

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    3. Re:This isn't "transparent" by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Funny

      And for all the people who will post about "I want this on my car" - no, you don't.

      Aww, c'mon, I've been waiting 20 years to say, "KITT, darken windows".

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    4. Re:This isn't "transparent" by tessaiga · · Score: 1

      And for all the people who will post about "I want this on my car" - no, you don't. Many municipalities have a legal limit of about 90% on car windows - pass less than this and the nice police officer can ticket you. Since 50% < 90%, if the cop wants to give you grief he can.

      Depends on where you live: assuming you're talking about the U.S., tint laws vary from state to state. Many states will allow you to pass much less than 90% through your windows -- often 50% or less, for which this material would be suited just fine. Also, regulations tend to be more lenient if you're talking about side/back windows rather than front.

      This guy has a summary of the limits from each state, or you can just google "tint laws" in the state of your choice.

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    5. Re:This isn't "transparent" by Anonymous+Cow+herd · · Score: 1

      Many municipalities have a legal limit of about 90% on car windows - pass less than this and the nice police officer can ticket you.

      Actually, in some places, the tinting has to be removed on the spot, regardless of the tinting type.

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    6. Re:This isn't "transparent" by Khlatu_Barada_Nicto · · Score: 0

      In many eastern states, the limit is only on aftermarket tinting. In FL I believe you can have 0% LT on the rear window, and if its a 4-door on the rear door windows.

      The statement about it being removed on the spot applies to stick-on window film, tinted _glass_ can't really be removed on the spot, been there, had the roadside conversation, left without incident

  3. Forget motorcycles... windows! by Tom7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sweet. I've always wanted window panes that I can "turn off", and this is getting pretty close. Liquid crystals aren't so good because you need to keep the voltage applied in order to keep the crystals aligned.

    1. Re:Forget motorcycles... windows! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The venetians have had something to do that for years.

    2. Re:Forget motorcycles... windows! by netmask · · Score: 1

      I wish I knew the name.. but this already exists. Th e conference rooms at Qwest have this.. They push a button and they "frost" over..

      Smarglass auto tints.. check it:

      http://www.smartglass.com/html/information_for_b us iness_windo1.html

  4. I would buy one by HotButteredHampster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this makes it to market in Canada, I will be first in line to get one. Vision is tremendously important when operating a motorcycle, and tinted visors are a bad compromise at best. Magazines suggest that you should have a second, clear visor and change it after dark, but there are different situations such as tunnels, forest roads, and even weather changes that can darken a sunny day but are easy to wave off as not bad enough to stop, dig out a clear visor and install it.

    This would be much more convenient and by extension, safer.

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    1. Re:I would buy one by vasqzr · · Score: 1


      Flip it up.

      Sucks when it's cool out, like 60 degrees, and it's night time. And you've forgotten your clear shield. (People who don't ride wouldn't understand why you'd forget it) So you're riding a hour home with the shield UP and you've got a nose full of snot and watery eyes on the way home.

  5. I've wanted this for my car for years... by synaptik · · Score: 1

    Where I live, your window tint can't be darker than a certain law-defined limit, which police can enforce with the use of a light meter once they pull you over. It'd be great to cruise around with my windows as dark as I want them to be, and then flip a switch when a suspicious cop decides to check me for a violation. :)

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  6. Where is the film layer located? by Shiifty · · Score: 1

    Is it sandwiched between two pieces of plastic? Is it located on the inside/outside of the visor? This is important, because by sandwiching it, the two pieces of plastic could start separating over time. If its on the outside, like current iridium coated visors (the metallic mirrored ones) it will be easily scratched and damaged by bugs and debris. Inside is obviously best, however it would still be susceptible to fingers/foggy breath/scratching that could damage it.

    I wonder how much these would cost. Current visors cost between $40 up to $100 for mirrored fancy ones. (up here in Canada eh)

  7. Sunscreen for the Car by sunbane · · Score: 2, Informative

    We looked into this several years ago after doing a digitized lighting system for a wealthy family up in New Hampshire who had glass capable of this effect in their shower, overlooking a beautiful valley. If you wanted the privacy you could instantly have it. We thought, this is perfect for when your car is parked... block all of the suns rays and heat with a simple switch - no more need for those cardboard sunglasses. Unfortuneately the only supplier we could find wanted $5000 / sq. foot. But, if prices have come down, this would be pretty cool to have.

  8. been out for years by austad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Welding visors have had this for years. Kind of interesting it's only being used now in helmets.

    The welding visors ran about $200 to $300 last I checked. When the glass is as dark as it needs to be to protect you, it's impossible to see through it to see what you're doing. Traditional visors require the user to leave it open, get ready the strike a spark, and then put the visor down right before. It's a pain in the ass, and if you're welding all day long, you're bound to accidentally strike a spark before the visor is down, leaving nice little trails on your eyes for awhile. With this, the initial spark is detected by a light sensor, and it auto darkens the glass. Much more convenient, especially when you need both of your hands to hold something in place before you start welding it.

    I've always wanted something like this for the side windows in my car, and a nice little slider to adjust how dark they get. Alas, no one seems to make film I can apply. :(

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    1. Re:been out for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure it's not the same thing. Don't welding helmets just use a few solar cells to trigger a liquid crystal plate? Please correct me if the more expensive ones use something else.

    2. Re:been out for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With this, the initial spark is detected by a light sensor, and it auto darkens the glass. Much more convenient, especially when you need both of your hands to hold something in place before you start welding it.

      What i would like to see is the visor panel dim controll wired into the trigger of the welding wand. Thoes electronic visors for welders use a cadmium sulfide cell to detect the light from the welding, and they have latencey.
      Id like to have a variable resistor in the trigger of the wand, so i could squeeze the handle to a certian point to dim the pannel, and after a certian point, the welding action begins. This way i could pre dim the visor befor i begin my work, protecting my eyes, and keeping my hands free.

  9. The potential is enormous by azav · · Score: 1

    I want this for my car windows when I'm making out.

    Think of the possibilities!

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    1. Re:The potential is enormous by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

      I'd be happy if I could use this to keep the sunlight out of my mom's basem... My room...

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  10. Good for hot climates by azav · · Score: 1

    I'd love something like this for those times when you leave your car in the sun.

    Might go over big in Arizona or LA.

    Also, if you can't see into the car, you cant' see any stuff to steal.

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    1. Re:Good for hot climates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, if you can't see into the car, you cant' see any stuff to steal.

      Problem is, having no visibility makes one think there might be something good in there to steal. At the very least, one who has enough money to get this for their windows, has at least a fist full of change to gank...

  11. Ah, a Danger-Sensitive Visor! by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It immediately darkens when dangers is near because what you can't see can't hurt you.

    Now if they shrink it down to sunglasses size, we can all be like Zaphod Beeblebrox!

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    1. Re:Ah, a Danger-Sensitive Visor! by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 1
      we can all be like Zaphod Beeblebrox!

      ...well, except for the second head and third hand.

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    2. Re:Ah, a Danger-Sensitive Visor! by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I already have a second head, you insensitive clod!

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    3. Re:Ah, a Danger-Sensitive Visor! by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 1
      And for those keeping track at home, Ladies and Gentlemen, our score for witty observations stands at:
      • ConceptJunkie: 2
      • Embedded Geek: 1
      Note, however that the goal for Embedded Geek was questionable and on review of the replay tapes will likely be revoked. He will also be given a red card , bludgeoned, and fed to the Slashdot Hooligans in the stands. Now, on to the latest Brockian Ultra Cricket scores...

      (Translation: Good one, ConceptJunkie!)

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    4. Re:Ah, a Danger-Sensitive Visor! by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      That's OK, EG, for every "good one" I make, there are 5 lame ones...

      Besides, I saw the tapes and they demonstrated some serious ski-boxing moves (without the benefit of a third arm). Keep on sluggin'! :-)

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  12. Safe welding techniques by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...especially when you need both of your hands to hold something in place before you start welding it.

    I don't know much about welding, but I think you're going to need more than a special visor to handle this situation, as you try to strike your spark and somehow also hold the torch. Whoa, might want to put the beer down for a sec, too.

  13. Now we don't need towels by joebok · · Score: 1

    to protect us from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beasts of Traal anymore! Hooray for Technology!!

  14. Something to say when I know little about subject by annisette · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    More for the protection of motercyclist I say, there are a couple (of many) neat less well known motorcycles: The Royal Enfield a copy of the triumph 500 made in India since the late 40's and the Russian copy of the 650cc BMW circa mid fiftys called the URAL. There is a military version of the URAL with a sidecar with positive rear traction,(availaable in the U.S.) that is both rear wheels spinning. Well, I did not know the science related to this article so now you know about the Enfield and URAL.

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  15. I want some by ed333 · · Score: 1

    peril sensitive sunglasses!!

  16. electrochromic vs electrochromatic by kaltkalt · · Score: 1

    Anyone know what the difference is? Electrochromatic is the word car companies typically use to describe the auto-dimming rear-view mirrors. Dictionaries seem to only define electrocromic. Odd. Is electrochromatic just a made-up word that sounds better than the proper one? Sorta like disenfranchise (not proper) vis a vis disfranchise?

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  17. Re:Something to say when I know little about subje by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
    Even funkier, the Indians make a diesel Royal Enfield.

    The Ural was marketed as the Cossack in the UK - it was the only bike that you fixed with a lump hammer.

    My mate had the powered sidecar versio when we were teenagers - about as basic as you can get.

    I don't think Enfields are Triumph copies - Royal Enfield was originally a British company based in Middlesex, shipping its first motorcycle in 1901.

    The UK operation shut down in 1970, but the Indians have been making 1940s designs since 1955, and are still going.

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  18. Did you day diesel? by annisette · · Score: 1

    Diesel is a favorite subject of mine, I drive a 1983 MB 300SD turbo diesel, Jetta makes a great diesel and I have a 1980 Rabbit Pick-up diesel your remark (any sights I could check?) about the diesel enfield caught my attention and the rest of your information will be greatly appreciated by my brothers. We talked about both of these cycles and checked a bunch of sights. The Bike talked up a lot when I grew up in the 60's Was the BSA. It seemed like it was rather depedable and looked and sounded very cool. What ever happened to this company?

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    1. Re:Did you day diesel? by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
      a potted history

      I'm not sure what the new bikes are like, but the Starfire (1960s) was a great fun bike, and the Gold Star was pretty much the cream of 1960s British bikes. My personal favourite was the Rocket (1970s) - a three cylinder 750 that shared its engine with the Triumph Trident.

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    2. Re:Did you day diesel? by annisette · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the information, I do not think the BSA has been sold in the U.S. since the early 70's. Back to the topic of less known bikes I read some time ago about a Polish 1000cc one cylinder 4 cycle, motorcycle. It must of been a unusual ride and if it backfired when kickedstarted it must of been an experence. Ever seen one?

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    3. Re:Did you day diesel? by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
      Never seen a 1000cc single - like you say, if it kicks back on start then it's ortopaedic surgeon time.

      I believe there was an outfit in Buffalo (NY?) who made a 1000cc single, but I've never come across one in the wild.

      The biggest singles I have seen are around 640cc or so on some odd motocross machines (I think they were Italian).

      Most singles gop up to around 500cc, like the J.A.P. engined speedway bikes.

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    4. Re:Did you day diesel? by annisette · · Score: 1

      One of the more radical bikes here is the custom made turbine motor cycle. A million dollar army helocopter turbine (bought surplus for 1/100th the price) and a sureal frame. top speed is unknown, plenty of power to spare at 200mph. Jay Leno the Tonight Show host has one and he said it takes time to wind up, 0-40mph or so is remarkably slow then it is more than anyone could want x100. I checked out the sight you sent me and apparently the Royal Enfield diesel is not available in the U.S. In response to sending your first e-mail to my brother he said there are a few other diesel bikes, the websight he sent me did not arrive with his mail. A diesel bike would be interesting if only to be the only one on the block to have one. When I get the sight from my brother I will send it to you.

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  19. diesel bikes by annisette · · Score: 0

    The web sight I found for diesel bikes is http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/pictures/diesel .htm it seems the enfield diesel is not made any more but then I did find a reference for sale from mexico and venez. Apparently there is one still made that can be bought and it is from U.K. most of the others were custom built or those made and still around. It got my intrest. Thanks again for the information on the Enfield and URAL. Annisette

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