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New NetBSD Core Team Announced

Dan writes "NetBSD's Alistair Crooks, on behalf of the Board of Directors, The NetBSD Foundation, announces the appointment of a new NetBSD core team. He says that after a long period of discussion and debate, they have decided to keep the core team at the same size as the original (5 members), with what they believe is a good balance of knowledge, skill, inspiration and enthusiasm."

33 comments

  1. FP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FP!! Damn, I'm a loser!!

    1. Re:FP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But in Soviet Russa, losers are you!

      Wait, that doesn't make sense. Nevermind.

  2. Itojun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I couldn't help but notice, that while acknowledging Itojun as the most active developer in NetBSD, they also dropped him from core.

    Itojun is a long-standing OpenBSD developer (esp. KAME related stuff) and a brave, brave sole for navigating the NetBSD/OpenBSD political waters for the time he has been serving on NetBSD core. There is still a huge amount of hostility between these two camps. I hope he wasn't axed from NetBSD core for petty reasons ... but this is my first suspicion.

    Can anybody refute this theory? Or has childishness again won the day BSD-land?

    1. Re:Itojun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putting a halt to any progress or development in the name of political reasons is the way things work for *BSD. The pointless rules, petty bickering, and senseless arguments are what led long-time FreeBSD developers Mike Smith and Jordan Hubbard to suddenly part ways with that project. It's no longer about producing a better operating system, or even about doing something that's enjoyable for all involved. It's about rules and political games, and it's killing *BSD.

      This sort of thing is exactly what's preventing *BSD from being taken more seriously as a viable operating system. Instead of implementing new features and adding support for more of the latest hardware, time is instead being wasted on arguing over unimportant things.

      The fact is that each of the three major *BSD operating systems adds something unique to the *BSD community. The projects traditionally have borrowed from each other and cooperated to make the experience better for all. It's too bad that recently, egos and grudges have got in the way.

      This sort of dispute is becoming more and more common among the various *BSD operating systems. The *BSD community has already lost many good developers and if the trend continues, many more are sure to be on their way out. We may never be sure why Itojun was left off the new NetBSD core team, or exactly what promted Smith and Hubbard to part ways with FreeBSD, but there is one thing we can be sure of. These petty disputes are a big factor in the death of *BSD and each developer lost due to them is just another step closer to the inevitable death of *BSD.

    2. Re:Itojun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Can anybody refute this theory?
      Well, that's not exactly the scientific way to approach theories is it?

      It's possible that itojun didn't want to be on a basically management team, maybe he wanted to devote his energy to developing. Who knows. It doesn't really help anyone to start talking about conspiracy theories, though, does it?

    3. Re:Itojun... by vesamies · · Score: 1

      I also would like itojun to have more say about how NetBSD is developed. I agree with many points he is making. He would like to port PF (OpenBSD packer filter) to NetBSD, for some reason it is not yet included. Same goes for resolver library from ISC. About bsdauth, don't know what is better, PAM or bsdauth... And I too hate NetBSD NIH attitude!!! But I also think NetBSD is the best and I hope the NIH attitude stops.

    4. Re:Itojun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess the reason is that Itojun is too busy.
      In exaggerated terms, he is always riding on an airplane :-)

  3. Re:See the new team (Socre:2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Silly /dork luser.

    That is a link to the VA Research staff.

    You know...the group who chased after Linux as VA Linux.

    Both groups are dead these days.

  4. Re:Troll-in-one by addaon · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up as insightful. I'm too lazy to read the whole thing, so it wasn't interesting; it surely wasn't funny. Nor is it offtopic and, not having been rated yet, it is neither underrated nor overrated. And it's not trolling, it's metatrolling... besides, with that much text, there has to be /something/ insightful in there.

    --

    I've had this sig for three days.
  5. Re:*BSD and AIDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a *BSD user, I must say I'm depressed.

    1st I miss out on hertosexual sex.
    Now I find out I'm missing out on gay(lesbian) sex.

    Oh woe is me! Guess it is back to my Hitachi Magic wand and sybain. (hint:not the Venus)

  6. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, its definitely the NetBSD core team.

  7. Re:*BSD and AIDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You appear to be female. I'm male, a *BSD user, and I'm lonely. Can I meet you? Kthx.

  8. fuck you troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    mod this fucking cut n paste troll down somebody

    I swear if I ever win the lotto I'm gonna give a huge chunk of cash to the Free/NetBSD foundations just to piss off you pimply-faced juvenile delinquent fucktards from /.

    GAFL already

    1. Re:fuck you troll by bsd_usr · · Score: 1

      I'd do the same damn thing. Give them like 5 million bucks or something.

    2. Re:fuck you troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wouldn't bother us trolls. None of us give a shit what happens to *BSD. We don't care if it dies or not. We just talk about it dying to piss off zealots like you who will bite.

      YHBT! YHL! FOAD!

  9. The shortlist who is in the team... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Satan - we need a powerful leader
    2) The Grim Reaper - Actually joined years ago
    3) Hitler - Knows what to do with corpses
    4) Anyone from the cast of Six Feet Under
    5) G. W. Bush - We don't want this OS to suceed

  10. Foundations and *BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "I'm gonna give a huge chunk of cash to the Free/NetBSD foundations"

    Let's see:

    "Free/NetBSD Foundation"

    "McArthur Foundation"

    "Ford Foundation"

    That fits, you know. All of these foundations are named after the deceased.

  11. we'll leave the light on by harkabeeparolyn · · Score: 2, Funny

    After Darl finishes bending you Linux freaks over, we BSDers will be waiting with the cold compresses and Preparation H.

    1. Re:we'll leave the light on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. You'll be paying $699-per-CPU for the continued right to use *BSD. Everyone knows that BSD infringes on just as much SCO code, if not more, than linux, and is infused by the same pro-theft, anti-property culture as Linux. The only safe choice is Windows XP.

    2. Re:we'll leave the light on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows that BSD infringes on just as much SCO code,

      Who is this mis-informed person called Everyone? Because the facts are a settlement was reached with USL (USL ended up in SCO's hands).

      Please explain how a settlement is 'infringement'?

      infused by the same pro-theft, anti-property culture as Linux.

      I can understand how you'd come up with such a view about GNU/Linux based on the 'software should not be property' POV of the GPL.

      The only safe choice is Windows XP.

      Now you are just trolling.

  12. Re:YHBT. YHL. HAND. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The vaccum that is your head is leaking.

  13. yhbt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yhbt

    1. Re:yhbt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CLEVER, BUT WRONG.

  14. a lesson well learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What We Can Learn From BSD
    By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0

    Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

    Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

    These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

    As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.

    Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the benevolent goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

    The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.