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BSDVault Interviews Rick Collette of EkkoBSD
An anonymous reader writes "BSDVault has interviewed Rick Collette of the EkkoBSD project. Among other things they discuss project goals and roadmap for this new distro."
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This thread is so barren and empty you can hear ekkos from the comments posted in here!
Ekko...! ekkoooo! ekkooo!
Ekko BSD. Ekkos of BSD's death cry.
BSD is fucking dead.
*BSD is dead.
I mean look at these comments!
It is common knowledge that *BSD is dying. Everyone knows that ever hapless *BSD is mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which *BSD is the worst off of an admittedly suffering *BSD community. The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The erosion of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of BSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major marketing surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are infinitesimally dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes *BSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking.
Fact: *BSD is dying
ekkoBSD is OpenBSD with an as yet unwritten web front end to the config files.
Good luck to them but I can't help thinking
"quick, set up a bit torrent mirror before it gets
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
This crutch and vacant stool have become orphans, not unlike the now dead FreeBSD. No longer will FreeBSD hobble about on its cripple's crutch. Like the empty hearth, and the vacant stool, FreeBSD lies cold and still. FreeBSD's corpse, lifeless beneath frozen earth and December snows, will see no more Christmas cheer. No, there will be no Christmas ever again for FreeBSD, for FreeBSD is dead.
Goodbye, FreeBSD. The pain of life forever stilled, sleep for all eternity in that long winter's nap. Fade gently into Earth's frozen bosom where in dreams even cripples walk and blind men see.
I can still here the Cryptkeeper cackling as he pulls out another spider-web-dusted *BSD distro CD from the casket.
"Hehehehehee!"
By forking away from a well-rooted OS, were given the
In other words, OpenBSD is fucked.
bash$
Necrophilia is both a sin and a crime. Leave this *BSD corpse alone, to finally rest in its grave. God wants it this way.
This has got to be the least-cared-about story on Slashdot, ever. =)
But if the entities who derive benefit from the BSD code trees they take from are unwilling to support it, and are willing to support GNU/Linux instead, the long term doesn't look good.
/. I give you the below.
/ streami ng/
/bin/bash as the shell, and when that gets fixed it STILL doesn't install correctly.
As pointed out elsewhere on
Go look here:
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects
Then read the 'binary versions supported' section:
Mac OS X (Duh!)
Solaris (Ok)
Windows (Again, Ok)
RedHat Linux (Ok)
Yet no FreeBSD binary.
That's fine...lets use the source Luke. The Install script is broken for a FreeBSD install because it wants to use
So FreeBSD is good enough for Apple to sync to (or plain old "steal" the code as a GPL zealot would say), but NOT good enough to be bothered to have DarwinStreamingServer supported in ports, a working binary, or even working Install scripts.
Way to go Apple! Your lack of support for the VERY codebase you take benefit from just shows how the long term prospect for FreeBSD is.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
Can some one help me counter these fake points?
1. You can not play games on it.
2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
4. There is no support available for it.
5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
7. You have to compile everything and know C.
8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
10.It is dying.
Thank you.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
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The linux hacker
From the neglected-to-be-mentioned web site:
What is it?
The goal of the ekkoBSD project is to provide a safe, secure, and simple to administer network operating system. This will be accomplished in a democratic manner, with a well-defined hierarchy, and an eye towards new ways of thinking.
The Operating System
ekkoBSD as a core OS offers security, stability, and flexibility to your infrastructure. As a default installation, ekkoBSD gives you an E-Mail server, Web Server, ssh, and several other services that would normally need to be added and secured.
Single Servers
A concept that has been with ekkoBSD since it's beginning are the implementations of "Single Servers". These are much like the single-floppy firewalls, rescue discs, etc. found within PicoBSD. ekkoBSD/TF is a single server example of a transparent nat firewall on a single floppy, hard disk, or CD.
Oct. 23 -- BSD resumed receiving life-sustaining care yesterday in a
Florida hospital room, but many experts said there is virtually no hope
that it will ever recover, despite it fan boy's desperate hopes.
"IF IT'S over a year, BSD's not ever going to get up," said Fred Plum, a
professor emeritus at Weill Cornell College in New York. "You'd just
don't see it. It just doesn't happen."
BSD, 39, has been in a persistent vegetative
state since its heart stopped for unknown reasons in 1990. A feeding
tube in BSD's stomach was removed this past Wednesday after its husband,
Theo De Ratt, who said his wife had told him she (BSD) would not want to
be kept alive under such circumstances, won a long series of court
battles to have life-sustaining nourishment withdrawn so she (BSD) could
die.
No I couldn't give a flying fuck about the /. editors.
I don't need to repost other people's comments to get 5's thanks.
I already have a great time thinking of my own comments.
Now then, fuck off.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
lol u still fall for it
I see that anti-BSD posts are being modded down - as they should be.
But why is someone with the username of gnu-sucks (the parent poster) modded up?
Hmm?
Please correct this. Otherwise its hypocrisy.
those are all things Linux can do and BSD cant.
Never let your emotions get mixed up with something as silly as a computer
operating system. It isn't healthy. So BSD fails. Big whoop. Deal with it and move on.
Hope this helps.
you != intelligent unless canfly(pigs)
Somewhere, in a lonely hospital room,
*BSD is dying
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various BSD machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a BSD box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the BSD machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that BSD is a "superior" machine.
BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
This is a rehash of an old Apple troll. Mod down accordingly.
this particular troll seems to trip alot of them up. so funny.
Proof that BSD is dying and good to see some moderator abuse.
- deal with the inevitable.
- grieve for your loss.
- move on.
Never let your emotions get tangled up with something as silly as a computeroperating system. It isn't healthy. So BSD fails. Big whoop. Deal with it and move on.
Your post was neither insightful or informative and does not deserve extra points.
Oh wait, thats called hypocrisy.. A practice common in the BSD section of Slashdot.
you fell for such an obvious troll. congrats on getting the 'stupid' award.
see his other posts.
mod parent up insightful please
why, nigger?
The driver of the bus was negotiating a bend in the road when he lost control of the vehicle which skidded and crashed into a gorge, nearly 200 feet below. Residents of nearby villages and authorities found 22 bodies. BSD was among the dead. The corpse has gone unclaimed, leading to speculation that BSD was indeed an orphan. Calls to former spouse Wind River went unreturned.
It's clear why this section is deserted. All the BSD "l"users are spamming the Developers forum. Evidence. I'm totally sick of your lame, cut and pasted "Linux is dying" bull that you crapflood the Developers forum with, so cut it out. I've sent several strobgly worded complaints to the Slashdot about this, so watch out : IP bans could be next.
Linux is a growing, vibrant community and I for one am sick of you BSD users who continually troll. If you can't even utilise your own section, stop trolling other peoples. I said as much in my e-mail to slashdot. I post anonymously because I don't want any repercussions.
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
Losing JKH from -core was to say the least, unsavory, yet you think FreeBSD is dependant on 1 or 2 members of the -core team? I mean... come on, seriously? If FreeBSD is "dead" because of a 'decline in market share' or due to losing a member or two of the core team, you're just sadly mistaken. To play devil's advocate: Let's assume you're correct, and we lose half our user base. What a pity! /*sarcasm*/ Regardless, we'll continue to hack away, we really don't care - and our success is NOT measured by how many use our "Product." If that were the case around the board, Linux might as well be refered to as "dead", since Microsoft reigns supreme, still.
.. I think I might know why *BSD trolling has seen a sharp increase in the last 6+ months or so, Hmm, gee..
I quote:
Seven of the top nine sites run on FreeBSD. The exceptions are Datapipe, which is doing a fine job of promoting the reliability of Windows 2003, and German hosting company komplex.net which runs on Linux.
Posted by mhp at 08:54 AM UTC on Jan 11, 2004 in Hosting, Performance.
Reference: news.netcraft.com
FreeBSD seems to have been whooping ass in the hosting field for a while now according to NetCraft surveys. (Long before this article's 6 month window as well.)
This NetCraft article proves nothing about say, Linux vs. FreeBSD or FreeBSD vs. Win2k3, to me it says, FreeBSD isn't dying off, and if it is, it sure is a pain riddled, horrifcally slow death. (if less people are running FreeBSD, good, less morons to have to help , I'm sick of being asked how to update the locate database after all these years..)
Before you put words in JKH's mouth: See JKH's resignation
Why did Apple hire JKH? Not because he looks good in a push-up bra, I can promise you that.
If JKH thinks FreeBSD is no longer viable code, why does Apple continue to develop a branch off FreeBSD, and why is Panther based from FreeBSD 5.x? OS X Panther(features column)
FreeBSD isn't a "clique" of elites, we didn't all install FreeBSD because it's "Cool". So many Linux zealots have called FreeBSD users out, saying we're trying to "fit in." Which is ironic, since many of them installed it because their buddies said, "Oh l00k, itz 31337 d00d."
I've run Linux since kernel 0.99, there was a time I prefered Linux(0.99 - 2.0.34) over any BSD, those days are long passed. However, I DO NOT look down my nose at Linux users, and I certainly don't troll any Linux "forums", yet why is this occuring vice versa? It's unfortunate, the Linux community is also very plagued by the '14 year old zit-faced kids who just installed RedHat, and want to "hax teh g1bs0n."' (I've taken enough abuse from the Linux crowd, talking about "Fat, unwashed, Star Trek watching *BSD nerds" to justify that last comment.) Which is one reason I don't ever want them crossing over to the FreeBSD crowd, thus if we have less 'market share', in that respect it's a VERY GOOD THING(tm).
Many of my sysadmin friends run purely Linux based networks(server-side), and when I ask why they don't even try a *BSD, the common answer I've received is, "It's too hard." Which in turn makes me chuckle to myself because they're really missing out on something great. I don't make fun of them and/or their networks, nor try to say they're running an antiquated or conviluted system. (To say FreeBSD is either of these, is to deny the facts.) To each his own, and if they choose to live in ignorance, MORE POWER TO THEM, it's their prerogative.
We were around in 1992, and we'll continue to be, regardless what the slashdot trolls attentively (or not so attentively..) splurge in digital form.
-mpf
P.S. I wonder how long Yahoo!(tm) will run a dead operating system (FreeBSD) across it's server pools?
( Next time don't post out of date,