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Single-handed, Offline, Portable Data Input?

One Armed Bandit asks: "By now everyone knows the available single handed keyboard alternatives. What I've not seen available is a true portable one-handed offline input device. Gary Friedman's final concept for the DataEgg is a fantastic one. Unfortunately, it never made it to the market. I - for one - would pay a premium for this kind of device. I think one of the reasons that this hasn't been built is because of the requirement for users to learn a new input mechanism. In my experience, this is a more difficult perception to overcome than a skill to acquire. How many of you can navigate your various electronic devices by touch? Is anything on the market? Does anyone have a pet project?"

"The high points would be:

  • Single handed operation (probably chorded)
  • Local file storage
  • On-board display for visual feedback and document review
  • Uplink to host (USB, IR, Wireless)
I can't count the occasions which I'm walking down a noisy street (hence no voice recognition) and dying to jot down my stream of consciousness (without using two hands for a stylus and walking in front of a bus)? I would kill for something like this!"

39 comments

  1. There would be more of them but . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The user base keeps going blind.

    1. Re:There would be more of them but . . . by orthogonal · · Score: 0

      The user base keeps going blind.

      On the other hand, you have a very shallow learning curve, as almost every Slashdot poster is very familiar with the one-handed "chording" required. And advanced users have even learned how to keep from getting their keyboards sticky in the process.

      (Compare this to the demonstrated inability of most of the Slashdot crowd to ever learn how to handle softer, more feminine curves.)

      <voice="Triumph the Insult Comic Dog"> Hey, I kid, I kid!

      You're all Cassanovas here. Sure you are!.&lt/voice>

    2. Re:There would be more of them but . . . by mugnyte · · Score: 1

      On the other hand...

      There IS no other hand, you insensitive clod! RTFA!

  2. Cell phone with noise cancelling headset. by Godeke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even in a noisy environment, you can take audible notes if you have a nose cancelling headset. With the exception of car horns, the traffic can't be heard. However, you also look like a homeless person jabbering to invisible people even more than the usual headphone+cell phone geek, because the normal cell phone pattern of speaking goes away. Nothing like randomly beginning to speak into the air to freak the locals out...

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    1. Re:Cell phone with noise cancelling headset. by unitron · · Score: 2, Funny
      "...if you have a nose cancelling headset."

      Are you sure you're wearing that thing the right way?

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    2. Re:Cell phone with noise cancelling headset. by Godeke · · Score: 1
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  3. Sure but... by wan-fu · · Score: 1

    I can't count the occasions which I'm walking down a noisy street (hence no voice recognition) and dying to jot down my stream of consciousness (without using two hands for a stylus and walking in front of a bus)? I would kill for something like this!"

    Wouldn't a digital recorder built into a pen or something like a mobile phone with voice recorder built in be much better for this task?

    As for the device itself, the above usage of voice brings about what I think is the best interface and that's voice. If you only have one hand to type with (and not because of a disability), it's probably best to use voice to do so. It will be hard to type faster with just one hand than the speed at which you can speak. Improvement of our existing speech-to-text technologies may be required.

    1. Re:Sure but... by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1
      I'm not sure this statement is correct. I can definitely type faster with one hand than the amount of time it takes to train a voice recognition engine, speak, and correct the 15-20% of the document that is incorrect due to flaws in voice recognition.

      In other words, the statement "Improvement of our existing speech-to-text technologies may be required" is not only completely correct, but it nullifies your entire statement -- it's like saying that it's quicker to get to NY via matter transporter, but improvement of matter transportation systems may be required ;)

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    2. Re:Sure but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure? I broke my arm a week ago (primary) and i've been flippin bet lft hnd typng and ViaVoice. (guess which this is). For straight text, VV is way faster, even w/ the corrections. Still training VV though, and ive already spnt bout 3 hrs on it. def wrth it though.

  4. KISS by falsification · · Score: 4, Funny
    Single-handed, Offline, Portable Data Input?

    I don't know. I happen to like PEN AND PAPER.

    1. Re:KISS by p4ul13 · · Score: 2
      Very helpful suggestion. Well except that he'd need two hands for a pad of paper and pen. If it wasn't the case, he already said he'd use something like a PDA.

      Try some of these

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    2. Re:KISS by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Details, details, details. Add a servent dwarf and you're back in business. Only one hand. Hell, with an adequate intelligence, this dwarf could make it so you didn't need to use *any* hands! It just gets better and better...

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    3. Re:KISS by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      A small recording device; people use them all the time. Record your notes, transcribe them later.

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  5. Handykey by rqqrtnb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Handykey, in New York, used to make a device that was both a keyboard and mouse. I got mine about 3 years ago, it had DOS drivers and they apparently came out with Windows and PS/2 drivers later. Plugs into the serial port for data, the keyboard port for power (only drew 9 mA or so.) It's chord based, most characters are two fingers, with the modifiers on the thumb; it had a velcro strap to wrap around the back of your hand to hold it in place.

    There used to be a FAQ about such keyboards; look at any of the RSI resources. Also look at the pages about the "Behemoth" nee' "Winnebiko" project, they used the one of the "bat" keyboard sticks.

    You might also look at some of the one-handed layouts for conventional typewriters that Dvorak came up with, along with the more well known layout. It depends on what you're trying to do...

  6. ASCII chording keyboards by rqqrtnb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember from the early days of microcomputers, when real programmers used toggle switches and keyboards were outrageously expensive, there was a one-handed ASCII keyboard. It was a sphere with four finger buttons and eight thumb buttons. One was supposed to play a chord with the fingers, giving eight bits, and then press one of the thumb buttons, giving three more. It was attractive to a lot of people because the small number of moving parts made it cheap. You might be able to find one used. It would take a lot of training to use, and it might be very hard to get any amount of speed, but it's worth investigating.

    There was a commercially-produced keyboard of this form, known as the MicroWriter. It was - probably still is - quite popular among blind/disabled/special-needs users, though that was not its primary market.

    First incarnation was a hand-sized device with 6 keys (only the thumb had to move) with about 8K of RAM and an 1802 processor. It was intended for use as a portable word-processor. The same mechanics and case were used as an auxiliary keyboard for the BBC Micro (using a resistor network on the switches, fed to an analogue input port on the micro).

    1. Re:ASCII chording keyboards by derago · · Score: 1

      hrmmm http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/408/1991/3/0/ 2145638/ http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=97067&cid=8297 672 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=97084&cid=8299 703

  7. SOMEONE BEAT YOU TO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some cellphone manufacturer (can't remember which one or which model) has already produced an excellent keyboard that's about the same size as a cellphone number pad. Looks like it would work pretty well.

  8. Folks /w arthritis & other disabilites hate th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have small hands. Worse, they have little to no grip. Both are because of a physical disability I guarantee you that I do not have fingers long enough to hold this and reach all the buttons.

    Worse, I can guarantee you that I couldn't hold it and push buttons - I don't have the grip or finger strength. I can hold a standard cellphone in one hand - but my thumb doesn't wrap around far enough to hit the buttons, and I wouldn't have the strength to anyway.

    This, and most one-handed input methods I've seen, exclude those with physical disabilities - including arthritis.

    I would like to see a keyboard "breastplate" - like armor. I can see typing with one or both hands interchangeably on such a device. But it would have to fit very well, or be tightly strapped, in order to be accurate (it couldn't be accurate if it was bouncing around).

    With either method, though, as you describe jogging & typing, display (to confirm input) is still an issue. How many times did you hit the delete key submitting the article? How many more times would you hit delete using a non-standard keyboard, or a Graffiti input device?

  9. CyKey by FesterDaFelcher · · Score: 5, Informative

    CyKey uses a wirless connection to a PDA. Leave the PDA in your pocket, have the CyKey in one hand, and you are ready to Rock, I mean WALK!

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    1. Re:CyKey by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but CyKey is IR remote, not RF. It needs direct line of site and is therefore borderline useless.

  10. Can't remember name by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

    There was a comment/story on a device on /. in the last year... one handed, shaped like a bicycle grip, depending on which combination of fingers you pressed it outputted a different alphanumeric character... can anybody remember the name, or anything more about it? I was trying to find it a few weeks ago...

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    1. Re:Can't remember name by tzanger · · Score: 1

      there was a recumbent cyclist who had something like this... four buttons on each handle bar for the four fingers of each hand -- 8 bits... instant 8-bit ASCII.

    2. Re:Can't remember name by kerobaros · · Score: 1

      i'd guess you're talking about the Twiddler. Google it; MIT's Wearable Computing lab loves the thing, for starters.

  11. a fancy new mobile phone by keot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    when i'm around the house, listening to the radio away from my machine and i hear a song i like, i take out my mobile phone, use the shortcut to load a text editor, tap the song name in using t9 predictive text input, and hit 'send via bluetooth' and it's on my machine for when i return.
    you can operate it single handedly, it has local file storage, a display and can trasmit data via bluetooth or irda or even email if you want to pay.
    it can also act as a telecommunications device. modern phones like the siemens s55 also act as dictation machines should you get the oppotunity to speak.

  12. google for.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    behemoth "chord keyboard"

    I think he used it one handed.

  13. big deal by ajagci · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another chorded one-handed input device, like we didn't have enough of them already.

    What would be nice to have would be a chorded one-handed keyboard with Bluetooth. A small display would then go into the glasses or into a wrist watch. That's a much more convenient arrangement than putting everything into a single "data egg" (with a proprietary and patented layout to boot).

    1. Re:big deal by boy_asunder · · Score: 1

      I agree that the separate display is a fairly essential aspect, since presumably one wants a one-handed input device to be able to use it while doing (and seeing) other things.

      But how is keeping the display and chorded-keyboard apart going to keep it from being patentable? If you put any sort of effort into optimizing it, whoever comes up with it is likely going to have done some sort of innovation. That could include the layout of the device, or the way the chording works. And then s/he's going to be able to try for a patent no matter what.

      And what is really wrong with it being patentable? I understand being pissed off at abuse of the patent process, but shouldn't it be more important that it works well than that no one is patenting it? I mean, if its so non-unique that its not patentable, then is it really going to be useful to anyone.

      Be pissed if someone abuses their legal monopoly; don't be pissed if they make a good device that entitles them (under law if not under everyone's ethics) to that monopoly.

    2. Re:big deal by ajagci · · Score: 1

      But how is keeping the display and chorded-keyboard apart going to keep it from being patentable?

      Because Bluetooth keyboards and Bluetooth HMDs already exist; what would there be to be patented?

      The main patents they can have on the DataEgg is the precise chording and design patents.

      And what is really wrong with it being patentable? I understand being pissed off at abuse of the patent process, but shouldn't it be more important that it works well than that no one is patenting it?

      For a data entry method, it is indeed important that it not be patented. It takes years to get really fast at any data entry method; do you want to spend years learning something only to put yourself in the dependency of a single vendor?

      The other thing that is wrong with it is that there is nothing innovative about one-handed data entry devices. You have one already, one that millions of people use every day to enter information with one hand: your cell phone. For historical reasons, it uses a less convenient keyboard layout, but that's all.

      I mean, if its so non-unique that its not patentable, then is it really going to be useful to anyone.

      Let's see. Toilet paper isn't patentable, and I would guess that it is indeed really useful to almost everybody. Maybe there are just a few counterexamples to your statement?

    3. Re:big deal by boy_asunder · · Score: 1
      Generally, I think you're talking about the general innovation of the combination of a bluetooth keyboard and HMD, whereas I'm talking about how the patent system is built around any little bits of novelty and utility. And I mean any. So I think we're arguing about two different things.

      And yeah, what you're talking about doesn't seem all that new. But rest assured that if there is something new about it at all, and your statement "What would be nice..." suggests that it would be, then someone who combines the two and makes it useful can get a patent. It might be a sucky narrow one, but they can get something. That's because all the patent system cares about is innvoation of any small kind. Yes, if things are so very much alike there are obviousness issues. But if an "inventor" wants it enough and is willing to give up enough, he or she can get a patent. And so if they made something that couldn't get any patent, then in my opinion that would be a sorry data-entry system indeed.

      Oh, and I have to respond to this:

      Let's see. Toilet paper isn't patentable, and I would guess that it is indeed really useful to almost everybody. Maybe there are just a few counterexamples to your statement?

      Dude, nice straw man. This doesn't respond to what I'd said, anyway. I didn't say "all useful things, from every moment in history are all patentable." I was saying that if a new design was made and there was nothing in it that could be patented, then it really wouldn't have created any innovation, and thus wouldn't really be all that great.

      Yeah, TP isn't patentable, now. But if somehow we'd had nothing like it up 'til now and you'd said "let's use this absorbant material which comes in seperable sheets that we roll up" then hell yeah, you'd be able to patent it. Yes, that's a fucked up world where no one has ever thought to use paper to wipe their ass before. And yeah, its fucked up that someone could patent a way to wipe your butt. The point, however, is that just because you can see useful things in the world that don't have patents doesn't mean they would't technically be able to get some if they were new today.

  14. Morse Code by leighklotz · · Score: 1

    Morse Code using a sip-and-puff interface for disabled people; see the video. For desktop or laptop use there is the DARCI Morse USB device, though pure software methods shold be available somewhere. (And yes, technically it is International Morse Code).

  15. SoftAva's Q12 by stoborrobots · · Score: 1
    A device the size of a cellphone keypad, with full one-keypress English data entry?

    The SoftAva Q12 is a prototype of just such a device.

    Unfortunately, they don't produce the hardware, they simply licence it out, and I don't know if anyone is actually shipping it.

    Might be worth following... I'm sure someone will find it useful someday....

  16. Filewalker by nastyphil · · Score: 1

    I think you are looking for this little beast: http://www.filewalker.com/

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  17. morse code by NateTech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't resist...

    Put a morse code key between your fingers. A simple microcontroller could translate to ASCII and store on Flash.

    A little shorthand to shorten up longer words and you're set.

    Not efficient, but very cool.

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  18. KISS again by it0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about a mobile phone, especially 1 with T9 text input?

  19. Logitech Digital Pen by raider_red · · Score: 1

    Logitech makes a pen which records your notes as you write them. Product info can be found here.

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  20. Re:Folks /w arthritis & other disabilites hate by key45 · · Score: 1

    How about one that straps to one wrist, lets you type with the other hand?
    Check out the Half Keyboard
    I haven't tried one yet, but they have a demo that lets you practice on half your real keyboard. It seems pretty cool.