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Wisconsin Joins the Matrix [updated]

unassimilatible writes "Wired reports that Wisconsin has decided to join a controversial interstate antiterrorism database that holds billions of records of ordinary Americans' activities known as the MATRIX, or Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange. Is your state next?" Update: 03/10 19:05 GMT by T : Thanks to reader philthedrill for a correction: according to an article in the University of Wisconsin-Madison's Daily Cardinal, Wisconsin has backed out of the Matrix, effective yesterday.

43 comments

  1. I don't believe it by lowmagnet · · Score: 1, Funny

    I have to see it for myself.

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    1. Re:I don't believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wisconsin is a hick town. It is probably not the best place to hide if you are a terrorist. About the only thing going for Wisconsin is the Green Bay Packers.

  2. More rejected stories... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Cnet is reporting that Texas-based Symbiot plans to release a corporate defense system that fights back against distributed denial-of-service and hacker attacks by launching counterstrikes. See the press report and white paper for more.

  3. Obligatory reference by smack_attack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wake Up Wisconsin...

    The MATRIX has you...

    Follow the white Republican...

    1. Re:Obligatory reference by joshmathis · · Score: 2, Funny
      Follow the white Republican...
      But... but... WHICH ONE? THEY'RE ALL WHITE!!!!!!!111
    2. Re:Obligatory reference by JET+666 · · Score: 1

      http://www.jcwatts.com/home.html

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    3. Re:Obligatory reference by Discoflamingo13 · · Score: 1

      OT, but Ripon, WI is the home of the Republican party. They also make passably decent cookies there, and Harrison Ford dropped out of Ripon College there.

  4. May I be the first to say by mhesseltine · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    "Whoa!"

    Now that that joke is over, do people really think that having all this information in one setup is going to improve anything? After all, look what happens when massive numbers of users try to access one particular resource at the same time (Slashdotting, Farking, September 11).

    It seems like this MATRIX is going to require a huge amount of potential bandwidth, computing resources, etc. which will cost us (the taxpayers) more money.

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  5. open source! by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    in a boost to the open source movement, the gov't has announced it will be implementing the Giant Database of Evil(tm) in postgresql

    </sarcasm>

  6. i live and attend school in WI and ... by whiteSanjuro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i have hated this state from the moment i saw it, but this is the nail in the coffin...any chance that wisconsin had of keeping me as a post-collegiate resident has now expired and it will be their economic loss

    1. Re:i live and attend school in WI and ... by lcde · · Score: 1

      Heh, i thought the same way until i landed a great job here. now im stuck :) at least until grad school is done

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    2. Re:i live and attend school in WI and ... by kommakazi · · Score: 1

      I live in wisconsin, and the only real problem I have with it is the freakin cold weather. Madison is a GREAT town, it's consistantly been one of the top rated cities in the US to live in, probably due to it being very liberal in general. Also, if I remember correctly, our senator Russ Feingold voted AGAINST the Patriot Act and still is working against it. Wisconsin may also become the next state to legalize medical marijuana...in fact, the bill that would legalize medical marijuana was introduced by a REPUBLICAN. Gee, Wisconsin SUCKS man!

    3. Re:i live and attend school in WI and ... by l0wland · · Score: 1

      As a European, I love Wisconsin. I visited Madison last year, and I think it's a very Europe-like city. I love the people I met in Wisconsin (I travelled along the shores of the lakes Michigan and Superior), and I think they are very liberal. IMHO the original poster really should re-consider his/her decision. ;-)

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  7. article went a little overboard? by hoyosa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article and the MATRIX homepage, seem to have some differences in what information they collect. The data that they do collect/have doesn't really seem like it would be a bad thing.

    from the MATRIX homepage:

    The Data Reference Repository
    EXCLUDED DATA

    The reference repository does not contain the following:

    * Telemarketing calling lists
    * Direct mail mailing lists
    * Airline reservations or travel records
    * Frequent flyer/hotel stay program membership or activity
    * Magazine subscriptions lists or reading lists
    * Telephone calling logs or records
    * Credit card or debit numbers
    * Purchases (e.g., retail store, Internet, or even gas stations)
    * Mortgage or car payments
    * Bank account numbers or account balances
    * The costs of a home addition
    * Birth certificates
    * Marriage licenses
    * Divorce decrees
    * Utility bill payments (i.e., gas, electric, phone, heating oil, cable or satellite TV)

    Therefore, such data is not provided to law enforcement. Under federal law, when such data is required to further a law enforcement investigation, law enforcement must obtain a judicial order (i.e., subpoena) and serve it directly on the organization having or owning such data.

    INCLUDED DATA

    The data reference repository for the FACTS application contains public records from thousands of locations (i.e., county courthouses and other public records locations) on U.S. individuals and businesses. Examples include:

    * FAA pilot licenses and aircraft ownership
    * Property ownership
    * Coast Guard registered vessels
    * State sexual offenders lists
    * Federal terrorists watch lists
    * Corporation filings
    * Uniform Commercial Code filings (i.e., UCCs or business liens)
    * Bankruptcy filings
    * State-issued professional licenses

    1. Re:article went a little overboard? by qqtortqq · · Score: 1

      Most of that, if not all, sounds like information that is already accessable to law enforcement or the general public. I don't see the relevance to terrorism on some of those... If we are singling out people who have pilot's licenses, we'll get a train engineer who will come into Chicago's Union Station at 90 mph and go halfway through the train station, killing lots of people.

      Seems like we need to think about things other than airplanes, because if all our focus is on that, we leave everything else wide open.

    2. Re:article went a little overboard? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I might get crucified for this but wtf does state sexual offenders and bankruptcy filings have to do with terrorism?

      one would think that what they would really need would be gun licenses, fertilizer(&other chemicals useful for blowing things up) buyings and things like that could be related to actual terrorism, flightplans & etc.

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    3. Re:article went a little overboard? by JET+666 · · Score: 1

      what makes you think terriosts will get gun licenses? it is easyer for them to steel them, or buy them on the streets.

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    4. Re:article went a little overboard? by Cecil · · Score: 1

      While I agree that the erosion of personal freedoms needs to be reversed, this is the reason I'm not really worried like the tin-foil hat crowd.

      The government is utterly incompetent. Don't fear them, pity them. They are so caught up in red tape that they don't know what's going on half the time.

      Can you really imagine it? A government program that tracks things which may actually be dangerous, instead of a silly Oracle-licensed database that is little more than an elaborate moneysink? It's not gonna happen until well after terrorism is no longer a threat and there's something far more pressing that needs to be done. Then, about 50 years after it's finished being relevant, the government may get around to tracking that sort of stuff.

    5. Re:article went a little overboard? by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 1

      What's often important is the methods of data collection rather than how the data is stored. If it's not written down on paper or into a database, it doesn't mean that the data hasn't been collected, it just means that not everyone can access the information at the same time.

      How are they going to collect the information? Are they going to log your keystrokes? Use visual surveilance (which does not require a subpeona if it does not include an audio portion)? Either of the two require a human filter to be "recorded," and that human filter will have recorded it. Someone you have not authorized will know the information, and can spread it almost as easily as through written means--they can still talk to other people. You can order someone to forget something, but actually forgetting that thing forever is a bit more difficult.

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  8. the movies were better by bluethundr · · Score: 2, Funny

    This new "MATRIX" sounds worse than the two sequels put together. And in the fictional and non-fictional sense, both matrixes were just plain bad for humanity!

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  9. Big database doesn't matter by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 0

    All of this information is publicly available already, and really not that hard to collect. The mere existence of the aggregated database shouldn't be a fucking problem for people. The problem is that despite the existence of a shitload of data on all of us, there's relatively few laws to restrict who can see it. Usually, the privacy of personal data is protected by the concept of the 'fiefdom'. That is, a government agency spends their fucking money to develop the database, so that database becomes their 'property' so to speak. The officials of that government agency aren't going to be very willing to share that data with others, even those in private industry, because ownership of that data gives them a certain amount of leverage when it comes time for a raise or a political appointment. It's damn scary that our privacy depends on a pointy hair little fuck in government, hoarding their database like that fat guy in 'Office Space' would hoard red staplers.

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  10. My State. by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

    Christ my state can't even pave roads. Not to mention slow Meth production. Rural boobs in the MATRIX is the last of my concerns.

  11. Woah by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Screw Hollywood being out of ideas, now the government has run out of ideas! I mean... MATRIX, agents, UAVs/Sentinels... haven't we already seen this three times, already?

    Crickey! Next thing you know, NASA will be announcing plans for turning the ISS into a larger, more military-oriented space station, tasked to study the sun and keep watch on the Earth, that they call the "Death Star."

    May Neo have pity on us all....

    ~UP

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    1. Re:Woah by JustAnOtherCodeSerf · · Score: 1

      Good god man, Don't give them ideas.

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    2. Re:Woah by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 1

      Whoops! Sorry... but at least I didn't tell them about The One Ring.

      Wait... D'OH!

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  12. Interesting? Bullshit. Flamebait more like it by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How on earth did this get moderated Interesting? It's just some infantile rant by some guy. Hey whiteSanjuro, I've got some news for you: Wisconsin is the most liberal state in the midwest. They routinely vote Democratic. In fact, Madison (the capital) was one of the few cities in the nation to denounce the Patriot Act. I'm not sure where you're thinking of moving to but Wisconsin -- all jokes aside -- is one of the more progressive states in the nation.

    GMD

  13. Guard the Cheese by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny

    That is "mission one" at this time.

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  14. Is it just me? by Sayten241 · · Score: 1

    Or is this a rather unfortunate acronym?

  15. Wisconsin took the Red Pill by philthedrill · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or was it the blue one? Anyway, as a Wisconsinite, I have to make a correction. I saw this article in the school newspaper this morning stating that Wisconsin has backed out of the Matrix.

    1. Re:Wisconsin took the Red Pill by orthogonal · · Score: 1

      I saw this article in the school newspaper this morning stating that Wisconsin has backed out of the Matrix.

      You mean the whole state took the red pill???

  16. Wisconsin's liberty lovers and hunters by PB8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The citizens of Wisconsin may soon be speculating if they have former Republican Governor Tommy Thompson, a Bush cabinet appointee, to thank for this. Keep in mind most of the reliably liberal population has been quarantined in Madison and Milwaukee. However, the university educated liberty lovers won't necessarily be the decisive factor, as articulate and fact based as they may be.

    Competing with elections in November is this little event we call Deer Hunting season in Wisconsin. If this MATRIX thing turns out to be something the NRA doesn't like, we'll be hearing more from the state where beer, cheese, tractors and heavy equipment, Gander Mountain, and Jockey Underwear are headquartered. It isn't just the bearded liberals who demonstrate in Madison. The farmers have rode their heavy equipment around the capitol in the past to make their points. A few dozen combines and tractors positioned at strategic locations around the capitol square can be quite imposing and very photogenic.

  17. I live in WI... by feidaykin · · Score: 1
    Yeah I live in WI, this kinda scares me since I log my chats and IMs. Hmm...

    *find/replace bombs|guns|warez|porn/fluffy bunnies

    There. Now reading my logs would make people think that the Columbine kids and Paris Hilton are really into fluffy bunnies.

    Heh, okay, I'll fess up, I sorta borrowed this from a bash.org quote.

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  18. Re:Interesting? Bullshit. Flamebait more like it by orthogonal · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure where you're thinking of moving to but Wisconsin -- all jokes aside -- is one of the more progressive states in the nation.

    And Wisconsin has a long history as a seed-bed of progressivism: it elected and re-elected, to the U.S. House, the Governorship, and the U.S. Senate, progressive Republican Robert La Follette, Sr. from 1884 until his death in 1925.

    Few remember Bob La Follette these days, but he's proof that Wisconsin, and Republicans, can be progressive.

    But a more familiar Wisconsin name, unfortunately, is that of the man who defeated "Fightin' Bob" La Follette's son, then the incumbent U.S. Senator, in the Republican primary in 1946: "Tail Gunner Joe" McCarthy.

    It's perhaps a cautionary tale for the people of Wisconsin, for the decent majority of the Republican Party that does believe in liberty and the Constitution -- and does not believe in trivially amending it --, and for Americans in general: it only takes a few men shouting lies about "Communists in the state Department" -- or about Terrorists -- to sell out the liberties so many Americans have sacrificed, fought, and died for.

    Wisconsin's MATRIX is one step in the direction of -- to paraphrase the Book of Genesis, Chapter 25 -- buying a "mess of potage" of worthless security by selling the birthright of our liberties.

    And as Joe McCarthy showed us, it only takes a few steps like this before Fightin' Bob La Follette's legacy is forgotten, and Wisconsin's progressivism is a dim memory.

  19. Re:Interesting? Bullshit. Flamebait more like it by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure where you're thinking of moving to...

    Europe?

  20. I'm curious... by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

    Do you actually say "Crikey!" in person?

    1. Re:I'm curious... by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 1

      Yes, but not often. I have a culturally diverse vocabulary and I don't mind using it vocally or through the written word. I'm working on learning morse code so that I can use it through the tactile medium, too. ;-)

      ~UP

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  21. As a Wisconsinite... by kommakazi · · Score: 1

    may I just say "WHEW!" that we backed out of it.

  22. Arrrrrrrrr by bandy · · Score: 1

    It's on-purpose because it really spells "MATIE", arrrrrrrr arrrrrrr.

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  23. Re:Interesting? Bullshit. Flamebait more like it by whiteSanjuro · · Score: 1

    New Hampshire -- why do you assume i'm a democrat? LP all the way.

  24. What's most telling here... by bmasel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is how a little exposure caused our (Democratic) State Attorney General to back out of the Matrix program. When I called their office at ~ 2 PM yesterday, I was told I was give or take the 20th caller. Helps, perhaps, that the AG was already in a good bit of political trouble for her recent drunk driving arrest.

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  25. anyone else crack up when by TerminalInsanity · · Score: 1

    bush says "Moon Base"

  26. Re:Interesting? Bullshit. Flamebait more like it by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

    Wisconsin is just plain fucked up. Yes, they (we? I'm not sure if I still count as being 'from' Wisconsin or not) vote for progressives, and denounce the patriot act. Wisconsin also elected our good buddies Joe McCarthy and Bill Proxmire, and was home to Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gein. Those last four pretty much destroy all hope I have for the state.

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