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Latest Research on Quantum Computing

zeristor writes "The The Economist is running a story about the latest progress in Quantum computing. It seems that what has been glossed over in Physics as a minor detail, the decoherence of the superposition of states, is actually quite fundamental to Quantum computing. The decoherence can be measured by something called the Loschmidt echo (is this esoteric or am I just thick? This sounds like a bad episode of Star Trek.) Also goes on to explain how entanglement can be prolonged. All in all very interesting developments."

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  1. What, no Duke Nukem Forever joke? by Ayaress · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Come on trolls, you're getting slow. It's the second article down the page. I've never seen a quantum computing article without somebody making the obligatory "It will even run Duke Nukem Forever!" joke.

    1. Re:What, no Duke Nukem Forever joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now it's just not funny, no thanks to you, buddy.

    2. Re:What, no Duke Nukem Forever joke? by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

      Duke 4ever on quatum computers? That isn't funny. To be funny something has to have at least a bit of realisme in it. Thinking that Duke4ever will be released before QC are obsolete is just ridiculous.

    3. Re:What, no Duke Nukem Forever joke? by tillerman35 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The article itself provides all required humor:

      ...bang-bang pulses, at regular intervals can serve not only to suppress decoherence, but also to maintain entanglement...

      ...spontaneous emission, another bizarre quantum effect...


      Of course, most physicists know they need only refer to their email in-boxes to find several offers for products which claim to help maintain entanglement, suppress decoherence, avoid spontaneous emission, and increase their ability to perform bang-bang pulses at regular intervals. Available for immediate shipping from a Canadian pharmacy near you.

  2. This is both a FP and not a FP by Eevee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We won't know until somebody reads the article and actually understands what it means.

    I found it interesting that something that sounds quite fundamental to quantum physics has been passed over for so long with a 'And then something happens'.

    1. Re:This is both a FP and not a FP by 09za+ · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought this was old news... American computer company(Alientel) supposedly created a storage device based on (I think) the same principle. Something like 12terrasomething. I found this after typing a google search for "Microsoft back engineering alien technology". I did as a joke but what I found was boyh credible and frightening. The guy who founded the company says he learned the concept from a drawing that NONE of the scientists at Bell knew anything about(he worked there at the time..1940's/50's). He says the first microchips were back engineered from debris that was snatched up by the Air Force at Roswell. He went on to create his own computer company which is now called Alientel. The funniest part is He says that those microchips were originally a weapon... that sends out DTE's (Disease Tranfer Emissions..or something like that) It was kinda funny and scary because I think the "Transfer Capacitor" as he called it, was just waiting for methods of manipulating electron orbits to further develop. If I got tricked by this guys story, I'd still have to tip my hat to him..it was an incredible read.

  3. In case of Slashdotting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    FOR evidence of the power of simplicity, you need look no further than a computer. Everything it does is based on the manipulation of binary digits, or bits--units of information that can be either 0 or 1. Using logical operations to combine those 0s and 1s allows computers to add, multiply and divide, and from there go on to achieve all the feats of the digital age. But at each step of the complex operations involved, each bit has a definite value.

    The same cannot be said of many properties in quantum physics, such as the spin of an atomic nucleus (loosely speaking, which way it is pointing) or the position of an electron orbiting such a nucleus. At a small scale, such properties can have more than one value at once. In 1994, Peter Shor, a mathematician then at AT&T's Bell Laboratories in New Jersey, realised that a computer that used such quantum properties to represent information could factorise large numbers extremely quickly. This is an important problem, because much of modern cryptography is based on the difficulty of factorising large numbers--so being able to do so quickly would render many modern codes easily breakable. Then, in 1996, a colleague of Dr Shor's at Bell Labs, Lov Grover, showed that such a quantum computer would be able to search through an unsorted database much faster than an ordinary computer--another important application.

    Computer technology

    With these insights, quantum computing, which had first been thought of as a possibility in the early 1980s, became a hot topic of research. It was clear to many physicists that using "qubits"--which, unlike ordinary bits, can exist in a "superposition" of the values 0 and 1 simultaneously--might yield an exponential improvement in computing power. This is because a pair of qubits could be in four different states at once, three qubits in eight, and so forth. What Dr Shor and Dr Grover showed was that the improvement, if the technological hurdles could be overcome, would be not hypothetical, but real, and useful for important problems.

    The technology necessary to manipulate qubits, in their various incarnations, is challenging. So far, nobody has managed to get a quantum computer to perform anything other than the most basic operations. But the field has been gathering pace, and was the topic of much discussion among the scientists gathered in Montreal for the annual March meeting of the American Physical Society, the largest physics conference in the world.

    There are currently several different approaches to quantum computing, all of which rely on fundamentally different technologies, including ultra-cold ions that are cooled by lasers, pulses of laser light, nuclear-magnetic resonance and solid-state devices such as superconducting junctions or quantum dots (which are confined clouds of electrons). What all these technologies have in common is that they can be used to invoke and exploit the bizarre phenomenon of superposition.

    Superposition is not simple. Though a qubit may, for a while, be in a state of superposition between 0 and 1, it must eventually choose between the two. And in even the best quantum computers, that choice, or "decoherence", happens in a fraction of a millisecond. Just how the choice is made, and how to prolong the preceding period of "coherence" that allows quantum computations to be made, constitute a long-unexplained gap at the heart of modern physics. For nearly 80 years, since the inception of quantum theory in the 1920s, most physicists were content to gloss over the process. What is perhaps surprising is that the technological challenge of quantum computing is now a driving force behind efforts to understand the most abstract and philosophical underpinnings of quantum mechanics.

    Echoes of the future

    Until a qubit interacts with the macroscopic world, which follows the classical laws of physics, it behaves according to the laws of quantum mechanics, which are well understood, at least by physicists. However, the interaction with the classical world--decoherence-

    1. Re:In case of Slashdotting... by icypher · · Score: 1

      Though a qubit may, for a while, be in a state of superposition between 0 and 1, it must eventually choose between the two.

      Just a quick layman question on the above. It is my understanding that subatomic particles exist in two or more states until an intrusive event happens (such as observation) and it is that event that forces the particle to "choose". Is this correct or am I mis-reading?

    2. Re:In case of Slashdotting... by d99-sbr · · Score: 1

      If I remember this correctly the particle's wavefunction is either already in one of its eigenvalues, or not.

      If it's not it is undecided prior to observation in what energy state it is, but it will collapse into one of the eigenvalues.

      The particle must be in an eigenvalue to produce a standing wave solution to the Schrodinger equation, or else the particle would vanish.

      So yes, in layman terms, the particle chooses one energy state when you observe it.

    3. Re:In case of Slashdotting... by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's one way to interpret it. But trying to understand what's actually happening on the quantum level really gets metaphysical and violates common sense.

      Another, in some ways more rational way to explain it, is that a qubit is in both states, and that the qubit is always in both states. It's just that *you* are also in both states, and when a "meaurement" happens that gives a single value for the qubit what happens is that you in one state see one result for the qubit, and you in another state see the other result. It seems pretty ludacris to talk about more than one version of you, and you seeing or doing different things at the same time, but that really is what quantum mechanics appears to say. It says everything in the universe, including you, is actually a wave of sorts, and that those waves really do have all possible values at the same time. It really is the simiplest and most accurate way to describe what we see happening in the universe.

      Pretty wacky stuff, so most people working with Quantum Mechanics pretty much sweep all of it under the rug by ignoring "how it really works" and "what it really means". Quantum Mechanics works, the math is right, and it makes correct predictions. Mostpeopel simply use it as a good and effective tool without mucking around in the bizzare and metaphysical "why".

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  4. Advanced Craps cheating by junkmail · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, lets consider two dice to be our collections of qubits. They can each hold the superposition of the numbers 1 - 6. Shaking and throwing the dice cause the superposition of the values and decoherence happens when they come to rest.

    The question is, what do we use as 'bang-bang' pulses in order to keep the dice from decohering until we can coerce them into making our point?

    1. ???
    2. Go shoot craps
    3. Profit!

    1. Re:Advanced Craps cheating by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

      just keep hitting the table really hard!

  5. Gnarly, d00d! by jo42 · · Score: 4, Funny


    Why don't you send me a quantum echo from the future when this is all running nicely...

    1. Re:Gnarly, d00d! by Muhammar · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Loschmidt echo is what you hear in the state of decoherence. Typicaly it is similar to human voice (quite like yours, but very remote and slow)saying "and make it double, will you"

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  6. You don't need to understand grammer.. by psyconaut · · Score: 1

    ....to understand quantum mechanics, apparently. "Quantum" is not a proper noun, not even in the context of quantum mechanics!

    -psy

    1. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Then what's the singular of quanta, huh, smart guy?

      It's quantum .

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    2. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by psyconaut · · Score: 1

      You lost me there...I was referring to the poster using capitalization....hence the comment about it not being a proper noun :-p

      -psy

    3. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by tm2b · · Score: 3, Informative
      Are you serious? You started a grammar flame:
      • on Slashdot,
      • with an ellipse at the beginning,
      • and mispelled grammar
      in the process? Are you trolling for "funny" points or something?

      Anyway, since you put "Quantum" at the beginning of your sentence, where it would have been capitalized anyway, it wasn't at all clear that it was capitalization that you were talking about. Sorry.
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    4. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by psyconaut · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I've got an excuse: I'm lexdysic.

      -psy

    5. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Oh, I love that one. "I can criticise other people's grammar, but I'm immune because I'm special ."

      Even the dyslexic can use a spell checker, sport, and you'd be wise to do so - especially when you're attacking somebody else's writing.

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    6. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      Actually it's an ellipsis.

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    7. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Try again, monkey boy. Your source agrees that ellipse [definition 2] can be used synonymously with ellipsis.

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    8. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by K3lvin · · Score: 1

      So definition of ellipse can have a superposition between ellipse and ellipsis :D

    9. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by tigersha · · Score: 1

      A member of DNA: The National Dyslexics Association

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    10. Re:You don't need to understand grammer.. by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is full of flames about capitalism..

  7. Decoherence is no detail by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 5, Insightful
    what has been glossed over in Physics as a minor detail, the decoherence of the superposition of states, is actually quite fundamental to Quantum computing
    This has never been a minor detail in quantum computing. People who think quantum computers won't go anywhere (like me) have been arguing that decoherence will kill any quantum computer with more than a handfull of bits. On the other hand, most (maybe even nearly all) papers I've seen on quantum computing recently have been about using error-correcting codes to fight decoherence.
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    1. Re:Decoherence is no detail by dabacon · · Score: 1
      On the other hand, most (maybe even nearly all) papers I've seen on quantum computing recently have been about using error-correcting codes to fight decoherence.
      By, like recently, do you mean since 1995? Quantum error correction (or more generally, the theory of fault-tolreant quantum computation) is one of the most surprising discoveries of the last decade. The next few years are the years where these ideas finally get tried out in the lab. The coming of the quantum machines has begun.

    2. Re:Decoherence is no detail by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      That sounds about right. Before then it seemed to even more people that decoherence would make quantum computing impossible.

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  8. Eigenvalues by manganese4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A number of threads have mentioned eigenvalues/eigenstates and how a system is represented by them.

    Eigenvalues and eigenstates have meaning when in terms of an operator which represents the perturbation to or observation of the system.

    Every operator has a characteristic set of eigenvectors. Every quantum system is described by a wavefunction and prior to a pertubation/observation this wavefunction can be described as a linear combonation of the eigenvectors of the operator.

    Following a perpurbation/observation decribed by the operator, the quantum system will be described by a one and only one eigenvector of the operator.

    Of course, the probability of a particular eigenvector being chosen is represented by the square of the eigenvalue of the eigenvector.

    for more see wikipedia

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  9. An attempt at simplifying the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IANAQP (I am not a quantum physist) but I think this decoherence is the same thing as the observer or observation of the state of a quantum variable in the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics.

    recall schroedingers cat in the box - in a state of aliveness and deadness until you open the box at which point the wave equation collapses and it assumes one or the other.
    The question is what makes this happen -- the answer seems to be -- we don't know.

    To make quantum computers work we probably need to answer the question....then again maybe I should RTA.

  10. Re: My Explanation of Quantum Physics by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

    The most rational explanation I've come up with so far is that we are actually existing inside of a simulated reality. If you were going to simulate a universe but only populate it with a couple of billion people, you would do much better to only pay attention to what each individual sees. That way, you could ignore the virtually infinite processing and memory requirements, and just have a processor per person, and interconnections between people in order to make the experience consistent. So Quantum Physics is just that the descisions about what happened are postponed until needed, and the logic glosses over some of the details.

    Ask a metaphysical question, get a metaphysical answer...

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  11. Re: My Explanation of Quantum Physics by Alsee · · Score: 1

    while (sig==sig) sig=!sig; ::cringe::
    I just thought of an actual use for that code. Assume sig points to an audio port. The output tone would then indicate the load on the system. Owwwwww, owwww, pain, pain, lol.

    As for Quantum weirdness, it kinda makes sense to me. It's hard to describe what I picture, but I'll take a stab at it. Our entire perceived reality would just be a single point or surface in a much larger system or reality. When it seems a quantum value has more than one value, it really has both values in neighboring areas of that higher dimention system. It would be a wave or ripple. Those two areas can interact or interfere to produce the mixed result here. There would be other "here"'s that see other results. What we think of as "quantum randomness" would actually be non-random effects caused by our contact/interaction with the surrounding unperceived reality and ripples.

    Picture a ripple spreading out in all directions, relecting back, and interfering with another part of itself. We would only see a single point of that entire process. From our point of view that "ripple" was a particle, and to us it seems that particle took two or more paths at the same time and then interfered with itself. Exactly what quantum mechanics describes.

    Or not :)

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  12. The Loschmidt Echo by zeristor · · Score: 1

    Looking around on the web I found this rather good site on Quantum Computing.
    This Loschmidt echo thing seems to be buried quite deep, I have not found it referenced in my Quantum Mechanics books.