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China Shuts Down 8,600 Cybercafes

ThatGuyAZ writes "China has shut down over 8,600 internet cafes in the last two months as a part of a new crackdown on "underage" internet use. The crackdown has also limited access to blogs, and forums, and requires video surveilance of cybercafe patrons. Only in China would a reduction of internet access to the public be called an "education campaign"."

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  1. yeah.. by hookedup · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only in China would a reduction of internet access to the public be called an "education campaign

    Yeah, and in america they call it 'securing your freedom'

    1. Re:yeah.. by the+morgawr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah, and in america they call it 'securing your freedom'

      Except, fortunately for you, you don't get arrested, tortured, and imprisoned for saying it. Such a situation would not be so if you were in China.

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    2. Re:yeah.. by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose they might, if it actually happened. But since Bush's stormtroopers haven't invaded any cybercafes just yet, your freedoms might be safe for a few days more. You might want to go ahead and take your tinfoil hat in for servicing, just to make sure you're ready.

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    3. Re:yeah.. by isorox · · Score: 1

      Except, fortunately for you, you don't get arrested, tortured, and imprisoned for saying it.

      Allegedly

    4. Re:yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would you know, given the unwillingness of the US to indulge the names or bring to court people arrested under the Patriot Act?

      And don't assume they don't torture "terror suspects(tm)".

    5. Re:yeah.. by gstoddart · · Score: 0, Troll

      Not yet anyway. Some people are wondering about the consequences of some of the current administrations policies though.

      (yeah, call me a troll, whatever)

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    6. Re:yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but in China when you get caught using the Internet they cut off your father's penis as punishment for creating a deviant like you. As far as I know we don't do that in the U.S. yet.

    7. Re:yeah.. by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and in america they call it 'securing your freedom'



      What does this mean? Have their been any actions take in the US to limit internet access, public or otherwise? I'd love to hear a single example.

    8. Re:yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First quote: Yeah, and in america they call it 'securing your freedom'

      Second quote: What does this mean? Have their been any actions take in the US to limit internet access, public or otherwise? I'd love to hear a single example.

      Please take a look at the Patriot Act requirements of libraries to log who reads what, and to log Internet usage at their public kiosks, and to turn over those records without notifying those investigated. In the name of "fighting terror", we're violating the privacy and rights of all sorts of innocent people.

    9. Re:yeah.. by L-Train8 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um, how about the PATRIOT act? According to the American Library Association's website, the law now permits the FBI to compel libraries to produce library Internet use records without a warrant.

      While it doesn't directly close down those library terminals, it is certainly comparable to the Chinese practice of requiring video surveillance of cybercafe patrons. And that goes a long way toward discouraging use of the internet for anything that the government doesn't like.

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    10. Re:yeah.. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Yup. The current administration holds US citizens and foreign nationals as 'unlawful combatants' supposedly outside of the sway of any court on the planet, and my above posting gets marked as a troll.

      didn't see that one coming, did I?

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    11. Re:yeah.. by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      Um, how about the PATRIOT act? According to the American Library Association's website, the law now permits the FBI to compel libraries to produce library Internet use records without a warrant.

      this is a COMPLETELY different issue, as I'll explain below.

      While it doesn't directly close down those library terminals, it is certainly comparable to the Chinese practice of requiring video surveillance of cybercafe patrons. And that goes a long way toward discouraging use of the internet for anything that the government doesn't like.

      The difference is PUBLIC and PRIVATE. A library funded by the government is PUBLIC. A cybercafe is PRIVATE.

      Now, the reason I think you're confused is, that while a cybercafe is open to the public, it is a private institution--this can be a tricky concept, but I think if you reason it through it'll make sense. Now, having understood the issue, would you like to restate your position?

      Believe me, if the government were requiring PRIVATE cafes or ISPs to keep records, etc, I would be up in arms, but that simply isn't the case. THe beauty of the American system versus the Chinese (or any socialist) system is that no corporation can have as much power as the government can. What is the recourse if the government wrongs you? There is none. Are you going to sue the govt? Sue the FDA? etc? of course not...

      Beyond which, we can of course get into a discussion of intent. The intent of the PATRIOT act is to stop terrorist--which we can all agree is a good thing. Getting library records without a warrant? Not so much of a good thing. I'd love ot see whether this has been abused. Let's also be clear--browsing records are still largely anonymous--at least at all the public libraries I've used computers at--maybe you have a different experience?

    12. Re:yeah.. by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Come on now, don't spoil a good anti-American rant with facts.

    13. Re:yeah.. by L-Train8 · · Score: 1

      Let's also be clear--browsing records are still largely anonymous--at least at all the public libraries I've used computers at--maybe you have a different experience?

      In the King County library system in Seattle, you have to enter your library card number to log onto a library's internet terminals. I don't know what kind of logs the servers store, but there is no anonymity if you have to enter an personally identifying number.

      The difference is PUBLIC and PRIVATE. A library funded by the government is PUBLIC. A cybercafe is PRIVATE.

      Now, the reason I think you're confused is, that while a cybercafe is open to the public, it is a private institution--this can be a tricky concept, but I think if you reason it through it'll make sense. Now, having understood the issue, would you like to restate your position?


      Actually, no. I don't understand why you think it's okay to restrict public internet use as long as you don't restrict private use. By doing so, you only subject those who can't afford computers and connnections to surviellance. Now, the cost of an old computer and a dial-up connection (or even a few hours at an internet cafe) may be cheap for most, the whole point of the library system is to ensure that everyone has access to information, regardless of financial status. Restricting internet use in the one place where absolutely anyone can have access is worse than restricting it in places where only people who can afford it have access.

      Believe me, if the government were requiring PRIVATE cafes or ISPs to keep records, etc, I would be up in arms, but that simply isn't the case.

      While libraries are the most obvious example of the PATRIOT act's egregious invasion of privacy, private ISP's are not immune from it's requirements. According the the EPIC website, the law expanded the use of pen register and trap and trace devices. While these used to be limited to keeping records of phone numbers dialed, the PATRIOT act expanded their use to any form of electronic communication including web surfing and email. While the law is designed to restrict data collection to URL's, email headers, and other forms of "addressing information," and it specifically prohibits the collection of "content," it is vaguely worded and open to broad interpretation. Does this URL contain "content" or merely "addressing information": http://www.dogbone.com/form.pl?Name=Bob&Lastname=S mith&Password=momsmaidenname&Submission=My+Secret+ words ?

      Beyond which, we can of course get into a discussion of intent. The intent of the PATRIOT act is to stop terrorist--which we can all agree is a good thing

      China's stated intent is to protect children from pornography and the dangers of online video games, and I'm sure we can mostly agree that at least the first one is a good thing. But just as the practice in China also curbs any anti-government discussion, so the PATRIOT act in the US leads to a host of other unintended restrictions. This Slashdot discussion is about how the Department of Justice is giving seminars to law enforcement on how to use the PATRIOT act's provision against people suspected of crimes completely unrelated to terrorism.

      I stand by my position that, while we certainly don't live in a totalitarian state like China, the PATRIOT act is subjecting people in the US to some pretty scary chilling effects.

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  2. Can someone explain this? by the+morgawr · · Score: 1

    I realize that China is a repressive government and all. I can understand not letting kids gamble and wanting to keep them away from porn. I even see why they want to restrict acess to non-government controlled media. But what good does keeping those younger then 16 off of the internet entirely accomplish?

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    1. Re:Can someone explain this? by sfjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But what good does keeping those younger then 16 off of the internet entirely accomplish?

      Control what a child learns and you control the adult.

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  3. A Tools of Empire-building by TwistedGreen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Get 'em while they're young."

    Age restrictions on Internet usage really means limiting the access of dangerous (or unpopular/undesirable) ideas to those who have not yet been conditioned. Like it or not, public schools are an excellent way to instill cultural ideas into a nation's populace. In fact, schools are perhaps the only way to reliably build a nation of any size and maintain a sense of cohesion.

    Schools definitely have their own inherent benefits, but the accessibility of such young citizens is just too good a chance at perpetuating the country's ideals to let pass. I'm not saying that there's a massive and finely calculate effort to 'brainwash' children, but it is undeniably a useful tool of empire-building. This article is an excellent example of that. While China's actions are rather more extreme than anything you'd see in the West, don't think it isn't done here either. It is a very commonly used tool in every 'civilized' nation.

    How many times have you pledged your allegiance?

    1. Re:A Tools of Empire-building by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      How many times have you pledged your allegiance?



      I went all through public schools--we did it in 2nd or 3rd grade--only one, and as I remember, it was the teacher, not the school. I can't really remember doing it at any other time.

      Besides which, the pledge is a pretty innocuous thing (sans 'God' reference..). liberty and justice for all? I'm ok with that.

  4. U.S.A. to China: by Giant+Ape+Skeleton · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Just for that, we're not going to let you play on our Space Station!"

    :-p

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    1. Re:U.S.A. to China: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not yours.

  5. This won't happen in Free China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This kind of thing would not happen in the democratic Republic of China (Taiwan).

    Maybe the two Chinas should unify: under a democratic government like in Taiwan. Consider the rest of China to be a "Wayward Province".

  6. We're Talking About Communist China... by sidmystic · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...and these actions should surprise us, why?

  7. They are using the right word by demo9orgon · · Score: 1

    I don't let my foolish kids online.

    China tries to limit the number of foolish people online.

    Sounds good to me.

    The way I see it, if you limit Internet use then people will treat it like a preminum, which is what traditional computer usage was, a preminum to be used wisely.

    We should enjoy the "relative" freedom we have now, because the more people who are educated by the FBI and other 3-letter agencies in the United States and around the world, the more people should try to understand the situations (pirate activity,script kiddiots,infrastructure hacks,etc...) the Chinese are trying to prevent in the first place. Just like every other country out there, the Chinese have their share of "get rich quick" fools who want to reach out and touch other people's wallets or email accounts.

    If our lords and masters didn't find our Internet activites amusing and enlightening the experiment would stop. The Internet can be put back in the box.

    Education in this context is appropriate.
    Proactive schooling is better than criminalizing people after the fact.
    (Ignorance of the law cannot be used as a defense against the law, right?)

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    1. Re:They are using the right word by greenhide · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know, IHBT.

      Still:

      There are plenty of good reasons for using the Internet. There are plenty of bad reasons for using it.

      The cafe's aren't being closed because of how the Internet is used -- at least, not along the traditional "bad use/good use" lines. They're being closed to keep kids from being able to access the Internet period, plain and simple.

      Most kids aren't hackers. Most kids just want to have the freedom to communicate with other people around the world, and do research. That would be good Internet use.

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    2. Re:They are using the right word by demo9orgon · · Score: 1

      I'm not a troll. I'm not anonymous either.

      Seriously, the research that "kids" need to do should be in learning how to use a library. Go ask your local k12 student to find something in the library without a computer. Try not laughing as their eyes glaze over. Ask them to explain the Dewy Decimal system. Clueless little buggers have to be re-educated when they get to college on so many things it's no wonder the average 4 year degree takes five or even six years to complete now.

      Need an electronic searchable resource? Ship it on a DVD. It's faster and they can still learn how to use a computer to search that resource.

      Kids don't need to be online. Kids don't need computers. Everyone seems to excited about giving kids a computer in the hopes they'll teach themselves.

      Pedofiles and sneaky buggers love having an endless stream of virgins and fools to play with. Since AOL, Instant (Molestation) Messaging has been the bane of fools from all walks of life. They should call it "Instant Phishing" because the chum bait their own hooks.

      Our freedoms are not what China needs. Our freedoms aren't freedoms, they're "privledges", and we pay dearly for them. Online activity is monitored and every ISP in the country is ready and willing to lift their skirts for every court order rubbed lovingly against their cheek.

      The Chinese need our gutbomb burgers and corn-syrup everything like they need unlimited Internet access for their people.

      How many people here have had their kids fingered as hoodlums and criminals because they browsed the wrong folder/computer at school? Isn't that where our kids are supposed to learn?
      It's easier now to jail kids than ever before. In the United States children are being criminalized all the time.

      Imagine living in a country where looking at websites not sanctioned by the government is a crime. Imagine someone running a port redirector on your system and filling up logs at the great firewall with spam and illicit requests to servers around the world. Now imagine going to jail and making plastic toys for McDonalds because of this, while your family has to do without you.

      I think many people here are ignorant of the reality of living in a world where you can be jailed for doing something online that doesn't hurt anyone, but still makes you an enemy of the state.

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    3. Re:They are using the right word by greenhide · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Seriously, the research that "kids" need to do should be in learning how to use a library. Go ask your local k12 student to find something in the library without a computer. Try not laughing as their eyes glaze over. Ask them to explain the Dewy Decimal system. Clueless little buggers have to be re-educated when they get to college on so many things it's no wonder the average 4 year degree takes five or even six years to complete now.

      I had the good fortune to talk to someone whose degree was in library science. Their final assignment in college was to find a picture of a specified resource (It was a sculpture by an artist, but the name of both the sculpture and artist escapes me). The dozen or so students worked together, pored through the library resources, searched indexes and were finally able to uncover information about the artist and the sculpture, but were in the end unable to find any photo of the sculpture. This was in the 1970s or thereabouts.

      A few weeks ago, he went to google, punched in the name of the artist and of the sculpture. The first three results had photos of the work.

      For better or worse, the Internet has completely transformed the way that we find information. To deny people that tool is to ultimately make them impotent.

      A DVD contains a limited subset of information; the Internet has a much larger set of information. So a DVD may or may not have the information you really want; the Internet almost certainly will.

      I would be the first to agree that computers are overhyped and overtaught.

      Allowing the government of China to control the behavior of their citizens is not going to keep the burgers and corn syrup away.

      While I would agree that there are an increase of cases involving children and computers, consider for a moment the introduction of the automobile in widespread use during the 50s and 60s. No doubt a large population of children/young adults were all of a sudden being arrested for crimes related to driving cars: too fast, recklessly, etc. Many of them were illiterate with earlier modes of transportation -- they would be unable to ride a horse, for example. Nonetheless, I would say that the introduction of the car was overall a beneficial thing, and that allowing young adults to drive is also a good thing.

      It sounds to me that your main issue is that individuals in the United States are increasingly likely to be jailed for performing actions online that don't harm anyone else and which are considered illicit only because they are happening through a computer. While this is a tragedy, it is ultimately unrelated to China's decision to close down the cybercafes and to the effect that this decision will have. China is not performing this function to save its citizens from being arrested by the state, anymore than the United States is allowing cybercafes to remain open so that it can have a steady supply of inmates for its prisons.


      Our freedoms are not what China needs. Our freedoms aren't freedoms, they're "privledges", and we pay dearly for them.


      Our freedoms *are* freedoms, not privileges. We have the right in the US to protest, and if we feel our freedoms are being limited it is our responsibility to voice our opposition to that limitation. As Utah Philips once said:

      The state can't give you free speech, and the state can't take it away. You're born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free.

      The problem in the United States is not that our freedoms are limited; the problem has become that people have put too much emphasis on their "pursuit of happiness" and not enough on their liberty.

      Online activity is monitored and every ISP in the country is ready and willing to lift their skirts for every court order rubbed lovingly against their cheek.

      I know that ISPs keep trac

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    4. Re:They are using the right word by greenhide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The way I see it, if you limit Internet use then people will treat it like a preminum, which is what traditional computer usage was, a preminum to be used wisely.

      Computer usage used to be a premium because it was too expensive for the common individual to afford. It has now become relatively inexpensive and widespread, so much so that it is within the reach of the middle class (such as it may exist) of China.

      The same used to be true for reading and writing, and general learning and education.

      During the days of serfdom, owning land was a privilege, reserved only for the nobility and their lieges. Everyone else toiled their entire lives on land that they did not own, and gave a large portion of the food they grew to the nobles. Income taxes pale in comparison.

      Owning a book used to be a privilege, before the printing press. Each book would have either been prohibitively expensive, or would have required far too much skill to reproduce. Now, you can get the same information bound in a conveniently sized volume for less than a day's salary (even mine :-7 ).

      When you think of things as being privileges, you tend to deify them and feel that there are certain people who don't deserve to have them.

      But, everyone deserves to be able to read and write. Everyone deserves to be able to own a book. And, everyone deserves to be able to use the Internet.

      Not all uses of these things should or can be permitted. The US has free speech, but you can't yell "Fire!" in a movie theater and you can't say "Fuck" on Public Television. You can have a book, but you can't use it to hit people over the head with it. You can read and write, but you can't write death threats.

      I know I already responded to your post but this paragraph caught my eye again and I wanted to respond to it in particular.

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    5. Re:They are using the right word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clueless little buggers have to be re-educated when they get to college on so many things it's no wonder the average 4 year degree takes five or even six years to complete now.

      Just to give you a clue of how the new digital world works, I got my BS degree in 4 years without going to the library to look up anything. I used a library many times, but through the Internet. There is no need for paper copies of anything any more, nor is there a need for ancient filling systems either.

      I'm now in graduate school, and I still haven't needed a trip to the library.

      Why is it a good thing to cut down trees just so you can put your hands on what you are reading?

    6. Re:They are using the right word by demo9orgon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Why is it a good thing to cut down trees just so you can put your hands on what you are reading?"

      Because Paper is a technology that lasts without power, and without our current infrastructure. Digital information is deceptively easy to lose and depending on how it was packaged and by whom and for what reason, it may no longer be possible to access it.

      Digital is nice. But there are some things which may never become digital. It's important to understand both legacy and contemporary information systems.

      I didn't have computers when I was in school, but now that people do have computers, it's so easy to plagarize others that instructors now have to routinely check students' work for it. Cut and paste makes things pretty easy.
      I remember using a typewriter. It's not a pleasant memory.

      There may exist the perception that digital works are good enough, but when things go to crap and there are few amenities, having a hard-copy is priceless.

      We live in such a fragile information environment that we easily take it for granted, come to rely upon it, and forget that in rural areas Libraries and dead-tree books are still priceless. I guess I'm just an old fart that doesn't like PDF's/HTML. I've read hundreds of books, but I have serious problems trying to read electronic books. The last time I tried it, I could feel the "bit and bridle" of DRM and "only on the machine you downloaded it on". Screw that. E-books were a failure because there is a place for analog media.

      Depending on your degree and how accomplished you were when you attened school it's not unreasonable to applaud you for accomplishing this. You are the exception. However, I don't remember any HVAC students not visting the stacks, or physics majors, or psychology majors getting out of using the library. And as I type this, I have two foot-high stacks of books on my desk and three other stacks on another desk nearby for everything from C++, Java, Servlets, Webservers, Email servers, etc..etc...
      My books are my tools. PDF's don't work for me much. YMMV.

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    7. Re:They are using the right word by thelexx · · Score: 1

      Nice apologetic, a lot of fascists would be quite proud of your logic.

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    8. Re:They are using the right word by demo9orgon · · Score: 1

      I work with the "Internet" daily, and we're still living on the frontier of what the Internet will eventually be like. The Internet is not ready for business. Companies that do business on the Internet are victimized all the time. Merchants suffer beneath the lash of the "Charge-back". The "Internet" isn't freedom. It's a crappy global network. In an environment where information can get you hurt, using the Internet is like leaning over a vat of mild acid to see yourself. I'm not sure I was aiming for an apologetic, just trying to put myself in the shoes of my Chinese contemporaries who may have access but realize their every move is being tracked. In twenty years we'll all be swiping ID's and submiting to remote audits for DRM/Media content. If we're not, we'll be taxed for Internet usage and bulk-copying media at even higher levels than we hear being proposed. Smarter people than me have seen the writing on the wall and have already suggested ID cards and other ways of accounting for online activity. Most of them do not live under fascist or Communist governments. Will this stop smart people around the world from having a good time? Nope. There will always be those who will laugh and honeypot audits, relay through sophisticated port redirectors and encryption to use other people's ID's, and laugh at what the common user will suffer through.

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    9. Re:They are using the right word by demo9orgon · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on many points. However, I would still hold that the Chinese are performing a dilligent service to their citizenry by seeking greater accountability of their networks.

      In the United States, where we like a perception of freedom, overt control of our Internet Access would be highly unpopular, so all the control is hidden behind corporate facades and supoenas and 4am visits by local and federal authorities.

      In an Cybercafe, a virus, or an emailer will be quickly noticed because there's not much bandwidth and things are being monitored.

      At RoadRunner cable, spambots live and breed across Win9x/XP systems and nobody notices for weeks or even months.

      If I thought cars were a good idea I'd have applauded your example of a privilege-technology like cars. However, I commute by bicycle over 3500 miles a year, and I think there's a brain-mass/body weight ratio princicple (conservation of intelligence?) which governs how smart people are behind the wheel. Intuitively, the fatality rate of automobile use seems to confirm this. Without cars/trucks we probably wouldn't be able to feed ourselves (too many people, too long too expensive to transport processed food).

      I think the Internet has a greater potential than the car to enable people to communicate, but that just means you can really bone yourself but good in a highly regulated environment where your activity is not anonymous. As long as there are people there will be people who tell them what they can and cannot do.

      Technology is a ratchet. In China they loosen and tighten it whenever they see fit, and people can still hear the mechanism around the world.

      In the United States, legislators pass laws like the DMCA and the Patriot act, and we have to check "The Daily Show" to hear a playback of the ratchet, and that's in our backyard. Scary.

      Cheers.

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  8. In... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Communist China Internet Surfs You!

  9. Don't forget to thank . . . by vegetablespork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    . . . your "buddies" at Cisco and Yahoo for providing the customized routers and consulting services that are helping this evil regime tighten the noose on it's subjects.

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    1. Re:Don't forget to thank . . . by vegetablespork · · Score: 0
      . . . your "buddies" at Cisco and Yahoo for providing the customized routers and consulting services that are helping this evil regime tighten the noose on it's subjects.

      And to whoever modded down that post offtopic, fuck you. I've got more karma than you can take away.

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    2. Re:Don't forget to thank . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. And don't forget those commie Linux developers!

  10. Government's higher purpose by billcopc · · Score: 1

    Why exactly are we wasting efforts trying to find one guy in a sand dune somewhere in the middle east, when the same resources could be used to spank this grossly uncivilized government into playing fair with their own citizens ?

    Around here, if a certain group of individuals isolate themselves in such fashion and severely restrict their knowledge and mindset, it's called a religious sect, definitely a bad thing. Over there it's called government, it's called a country. It's called legalized disregard for basic human rights. It's called a bunch of pricks thinking they're better than the rest.

    If a country has to "protect" its citizens from the bad bad rest of the world, isn't it because they know damn well that what's on the outside is much nicer than the inside ? That's how a state prison is intended to work (in theory), we lock you up in a boring little box so you learn to better appreciate and respect the outside world.

    All this terrotorial stupidity is making a racist out of me.

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    1. Re:Government's higher purpose by Bishop · · Score: 1

      It's called a bunch of pricks thinking they're better than the rest.

      Pot, meet Kettle.

    2. Re:Government's higher purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should we try to impose our beliefs on other countries?

    3. Re:Government's higher purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Around here, if a certain group of individuals isolate themselves in such fashion and severely restrict their knowledge and mindset, it's called a religious sect, definitely a bad thing. Over there it's called government, it's called a country"

      When you say over there are you talking about the USA or China ?

      Just wondered...

      Having visited the states many times and being a UK citizen you could mean either...

  11. Not a good idea by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 1

    China is in the midst of industrialization, a process which it must complete effectively before A) its population demographics "go grey," and B) it ends up like post-Soviet Russia. Slashing the internet access of a generation of children will only hamper the formation of a workforce well-educated enough to function in the high-tech industry of the coming decades.

    China doesn't have to go the way of Russia, but if it continues down this road, it probably will.

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    1. Re:Not a good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats such a stupid comment. All the chinese I know are the most dedicated, inteligent people i know. The internet won't hamper their education -
      I never had it.

      Watch out... asia will be the centre of the world when the chinese economy takes off...

    2. Re:Not a good idea by yo5oy · · Score: 1

      China's becoming an industrialized nation but it is not built on the backs of its intelligentsia but upon the backs of its exploited workers. Having a well educated workforce is not a priority, yet. Once capitalism takes a firmer hold upon China, the children of the capitalists will be the ones well-educated enough to function in high technology markets.

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      a slut did tulsa
  12. Anything for a buck right? by redwoodtree · · Score: 1

    ...got a make a living right?

  13. Wireless is the answer. by redwoodtree · · Score: 1

    Has anyone WarDriven China? That would be cool, I wonder how many open APs there are ... makes the whole concept of an Internet Cafe sort of moot.

    1. Re:Wireless is the answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Communist China the punishment for using an unlicensed AP is 10-15 years hard labor. This is more than enough of a threat for most people to steer clear of unlicesensed APs. And, to get a licesense there you have to prove that your AP is locked down, so this really isn't much of an issue.

      I imagine the police occasionally go "WarDriving" in the big cities to catch violators, but I wouldn't expect to see very many other people doing this sort of thing.

    2. Re:Wireless is the answer. by redwoodtree · · Score: 0

      Ah....christ. that sucks.

  14. And they wonder why.... by Trikenstein · · Score: 1

    We aren't welcoming them into the fold.

    1. Re:And they wonder why.... by yo5oy · · Score: 1

      They're not being welcomed into the fold to keep the balance of power in a status quo. The power being the ability to get into space outside the earth's atmosphere. China is on the forefront of being a stronger superpower than the USA and EU. They have a surplus of trade and produce most of the world's manufactured goods from IC and microchips, from toys to steel, and clothing to electronics. What holds China back are lack of oil resources which the USA has secured so nicely and access to space.

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      a slut did tulsa
  15. All governments lie. by trouser · · Score: 0, Troll

    Only in China would a reduction of internet access to the public be called an "education campaign"

    Only in America would invading foreign countries to strenthen US control of middle eastern oil supplies be called 'The War On Terror'.

    Sorry. I think this is appalling but the smugness of that statement really shits me.

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    Now wash your hands.
    1. Re:All governments lie. by taweili · · Score: 1

      Of course that Chinese can't do this without the help and lobbying of monopolistic American corporations like Intel or IBM. These 8,600 cafes are shutdown to make way for bigger, larger cafes spec by Intel and bank roll by IBM. See this story China's Internet Cafes Ignite Thriving Gaming Industry.

    2. Re:All governments lie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, we really need a "+1 Dixie-Moore" rating for posts.

      Sorry, but the need of people on this site (American or not) make some anti-American statement under EVERY topic really shits me.

      Just wanted everyone to know that some of us (obviously not well-represented here) in America actually approve of our policy in Middle East.

  16. Slashdot effect? by luferbu · · Score: 1

    Get your Google cache here and no more limited access :)